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Is the Progressive Tax Rate Fair?

http://www.youdebate.com/DEBATES/TAX_PROGRESSIVE.HTM

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Posts: 31 | Posted: 11:22 AM on May 2, 2002 | IP
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Yes. Flat tax means poor pay more or government has less to aid the poor and sick and young and old and for highways and education.
It is unfair and dumb to ask the poor to pay even more or receive less benefits just because the rich are short-sighted or greedy
The way a great nation stays a great nation is for the elite to do more for everyone's benefit willingly


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Posts: 7 | Posted: 7:04 PM on September 19, 2002 | IP
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yea! another liberal. On behalf of the "veterans" (tsmith, xenjael, and myself) welcome to 4debates. Feel free to join in some of the more...heated topics.


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Posts: 789 | Posted: 8:35 PM on September 19, 2002 | IP
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tsmith is not a veteran..or if he is, he's still a minor, yes i do have a thing gaisnt him, and it is his ignorance but welcome to the forums neways, oh and dsadevil been here longe than me as well and ive been here longer than tsmith
 


Posts: 83 | Posted: 10:24 PM on September 20, 2002 | IP
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when i say veterans, i mean the people who have posted regularly and often. Oh, and to be honest, tsmith has posted more intelligent arguments than you so far. At least he makes arguments, rather than ad hominem's.


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"If stupidity got us into this mess, why can't it get us out?" -Will Rodgers<br><br><br>"Neither man nor nation can prosper unless in looking at the present, thought is steadily taken for the future." -T. Roosevelt<br><br>"Might I remind you that extremism in the pursuit of liberty is no vice, and moderation in the pursuit of justice, is no virtue." -Barry Goldwater<br><br>

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Posts: 789 | Posted: 11:41 PM on September 20, 2002 | IP
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Hey Xenjael, you want a cookie?  Make an argument or a contribution, quit trying to put me down.


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"I have no interest in making blacks equal to whites, they are of a lesser quality and this I am sure of." -Abraham Lincoln
"You don't win a war by dying for your country, you win a war by making the other person die for theirs." -General George Patton
 


Posts: 372 | Posted: 5:04 PM on September 21, 2002 | IP
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I guess I am a minor to you because I joined four days after you and have 4 less posts, whatever am I to do?


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"I have no interest in making blacks equal to whites, they are of a lesser quality and this I am sure of." -Abraham Lincoln
"You don't win a war by dying for your country, you win a war by making the other person die for theirs." -General George Patton
 


Posts: 372 | Posted: 5:06 PM on September 21, 2002 | IP
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lol!


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"If stupidity got us into this mess, why can't it get us out?" -Will Rodgers<br><br><br>"Neither man nor nation can prosper unless in looking at the present, thought is steadily taken for the future." -T. Roosevelt<br><br>"Might I remind you that extremism in the pursuit of liberty is no vice, and moderation in the pursuit of justice, is no virtue." -Barry Goldwater<br><br>

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im not trying to put u down tsmith,but the fact is i have things gainst people that join...ah forget it srry k?
 


Posts: 83 | Posted: 8:34 PM on September 22, 2002 | IP
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No I won't forget it, people that join what, end what you were going to say.  Put up or shut up.


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Posts: 372 | Posted: 9:03 PM on September 22, 2002 | IP
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answer the question.


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Posts: 372 | Posted: 2:36 PM on September 24, 2002 | IP
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I think no taxes are fair.  If i make the food, but the government gets the extra taxes, is that fair?


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Posts: 438 | Posted: 4:59 PM on September 24, 2002 | IP
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Does equal treatment before the law exist when the majority discriminates against a minority?  Does justice (as opposed to “social justice”) exist when the majority discriminates against a minority?  The United States Government has become a tyranny of the majority and should be called what it is, a Robin Hood State that steals from the rich to give to the poor .  The Robin Hood State is a tyranny of the majority run by parasitical and demagogic professional politicians, government bureaucrats, the fourth estate and subsidized university intelligentsia who pander to the envy of the majority who creates almost none of the wealth at the expense of the minority who creates almost all of the wealth.
 


Posts: 0 | Posted: 10:15 PM on November 12, 2002 | IP
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progressive tax is perfectly fair to everyone


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i am a liberal chrisitian and proud of it!!!

"Those who produce should have, but we know that those who produce the most - that is, those who work hardest, and at the most difficult and most menial tasks, have the least." - Eugene Debs
 


Posts: 971 | Posted: 04:43 AM on December 12, 2002 | IP
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What could be more 'equal' than a progressive tax?  With an increase in real income due to the fractionally lighter tax load, more money can be invested in institutions like retail, etc., which will raise market share of said companies, creating stockholder wealth and corporate wealth, making up for the increase in tax paid.  Everyone is happy.  I am no economist, but this is pure LOGIC!  Why do so many refuse to believe this!?
 


Posts: 1 | Posted: 3:41 PM on December 13, 2002 | IP
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i took economics last semester and learned about something called utility theory. the greater a person's income, the smailler is the marginal benefit of a dollar. the millionth dollar spent by a rich person brings a smaller marginal benefit to that person than the marginal benefit of the thousandth dollar spent by a poorer person. so by transferring a dollar from the millionaire to the poorer person, more is gained than is lost and the two people added together are better off.


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i am a liberal chrisitian and proud of it!!!

"Those who produce should have, but we know that those who produce the most - that is, those who work hardest, and at the most difficult and most menial tasks, have the least." - Eugene Debs
 


Posts: 971 | Posted: 4:20 PM on December 13, 2002 | IP
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also known as the law of diminishing returns...right on!


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you see broker and tsmith? us socialists do know some economics after all


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Posts: 971 | Posted: 6:10 PM on December 13, 2002 | IP
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Two men are walking down a street.  they come upon a homeless man. Which is more moral?

a. To voluntarily, out of the kindness of your heart, give that homeless man some money or...

b. Pull out a gun, hold it to the second mans head and force him to give the homeless man HIS money.

That is the progressive tax in a nutshell.  It is easier to be generous with somebody else's money (because after all, you care), than it is your own.
 


Posts: 1 | Posted: 4:11 PM on May 21, 2003 | IP
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I think progressive taxes are very fair. I am from the Netherlands, and here poor people pay 30% and rich pay 52% (yeah people, we pay more than half of our income to the state, so you guys shouldnt even complain). We even have a left-wing party (in europe leftwing=socialist and rightwing=liberal. we dont have conservatives) that pleads for 0-70% tax scales. No taxes for poor people, 70% for those who earn more than 500.000 euros per year. Personally I support this. I think that if you look at the decadent way millionaires waste their money on cars and houses, they deserve no more than to pay 70%. I consider myself lucky to live in a country where the difference between rich and poor is small. I would definitely be prepaired to pay more taxes than poor people if I were a millionaire. Although I think it shouldn't be possible to become a millionaire at all.
Everybody should be able to acces welfare in a rich country. Why does there exist poverty in a place (= the USA and lots of other countries) where there is so much money? Remember this: a country can be rich together with a socialistic way of dividing the money. Example. two of the richest countries in the world are Norway and Sweden, and I do not know any country that have more progressive taxes and high social security than these.
 


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