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CainnAbel,your obviosly just as idiotic as JradMIT,I said the same exact thing about the Confederacy,that we should have lost in a month,The United States,won because of the same resons that the South lasted so long,They had a better fighting spirit,and if the South sucked so much,who do u think commanded the army that won the American Revolution,hmm...let think about it,oh was it George Washington,a Virginian,who,I might add supported all the things that the Confederacy stood for,states rights,the right to secede,you know its been said by many,so we are still right any way ya look at it,ive explained all about how the North was racist and was segregated,at a time when the South was fully integrated,if it wasnt for reconstruction,there probably wouldnt be as much racisim today,and about the Rebelion thing,yes I agree with you,we were rebeling against the United States,and their unjust laws,and we had every right to do so,SHUT THE HELL UP,DUMBASS,CAUSE YOU OBVIOUSLY HAVE NO IDEA WHAT THE CONFEDERACY WAS ABOUT!!!!

Why wont it show my username im TheRebel,if ya didnt know.
 


Posts: 0 | Posted: 9:36 PM on August 20, 2003 | IP
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As both an American and a "Yankee", being born in the great city of Philadelphia, I am fully disgusted that there are people born in America who fly the Confederate flag. I understand that for many "Southerners" it is a symbol of heritage. To these people I say, learn your history and live in the present times! We are the United States of America and that is the heritage we all share. The rightful flag is the American flag. All people, "Yankees" and "Southerners" alike should not be afraid nor ashamed of their heritage as Americans, and show their pride by flying the rightful flag.
 


Posts: 0 | Posted: 8:10 PM on September 15, 2003 | IP
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The Confederate Flag has absolutely nothing to do with racism. It is about state rights! If the Union hadn't been sticking its nose into the Southern states business then the Civil War wouldn't have ever started. The Confederate Flag is a symbol of our heritage, but I think our country is a more important issue and that is why my family and I fly the Confederate Flag below the American Flag.


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Posts: 1 | Posted: 6:06 PM on September 22, 2003 | IP
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[color=red] I believe that the confederate flag should be flown in S.C. because it is a part of history. I don't think that the flag has anything to do with racism. If that was the case, then wouldn't just about everything be racist to one person or another?SECURITY ALERT: rebal flag
 


Posts: 0 | Posted: 12:58 PM on September 23, 2003 | IP
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I agree with OKhunter3006,and everyone who supports the Flag of The Confederate States of America,but I believe that none of the others who are so obviously ignorant,will come around any time soon,so i wont be debateting very much anymore(unless you really piss me off!!)but I will check back regularly.If it doesnt say my username,I am TheRebel.
 


Posts: 0 | Posted: 8:49 PM on September 23, 2003 | IP
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I have THE solution to the Confederate Flag Debate.

The Flag of the New South

Red Gold and Green like the flags of Africa

but still Stars and Bars

I know it would be to African for the Rednecks and too Redneck for the Africans but that would be the beauty of it.

I also think that instead of tearing down statues of Robert E. Lee they need to erect statues to honor the leaders of the Slave Uprisings such as Nat Turner, Gabriel, and others. Were they not also red blooded Southerners?


 


Posts: 0 | Posted: 11:40 AM on November 6, 2003 | IP
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The Confederate Flag may have nothing to do with racism in the eyes of people raising it. However, it shows hatred and racism to many others.  The impressions that stand out in my mind of the flag are of hatred and racism. A great deal of films today show The Confederate Flag as a form of hate.  The media has a large impact on the way we view life.  The flag symbolizes white power to several of the white supremacist groups.  It is not uncommon for gangs such as Skinheads and Nazi Low Riders to have the flag tattooed on their body as a form disrespect to non-whites.  The flag may be more respected in a museum or folded in a shadow box in the building with a caption next to it stating the it’s patriotic view symbolism.  This option might be more acceptable rather than flying high over the capital while offering unexplained meaning and leaving those who think that it has to do with racism guessing what their government is based on.
 


Posts: 0 | Posted: 5:46 PM on November 7, 2003 | IP
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i dont know why it dont say my name but mine is the one right under this one
 


Posts: 0 | Posted: 5:03 PM on November 10, 2003 | IP
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To anyone who thinks that the confedarete flag is not a sign of racism.  Are truely mistaken. when people see the flag flying it is taken as a sign of hate. We all know that the south wanted to keep slavery it was the north the union who did not want it. it is a big statement and it is saying that you are for slavery.
 


Posts: 0 | Posted: 11:27 AM on December 8, 2003 | IP
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The flag never eally bothered me untill lately...

I live in Port Charlotte, FL. And latey there have been a bunch of people wearing the caps with the flag on it...and about 70% of them are wearing army like clothes? WTF is up with that? They look like they are ready to go to war.

Im not saying that the flag is a simbol of racism BUT a lot of people think of it as that, and i'm not talking about the ones that are offended but i'm taling about the group of these 3 guys that i saw in a huge truck waving the flag behinf their truck all wearing army attire.

I mean... do you see some americans wearing the british flag? That too is part of ameriacn history but no one wears it.

i dunno.... if these peole want to express themselfs why don't they wear hats with a desighn of the true american flag?

anyways that's my $.02, in the end i don't hate the flag (as a puerto rican) but just don't wear it with army attire and look like your getting ready for war plz
 


Posts: 0 | Posted: 06:50 AM on February 9, 2004 | IP
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some white people think the confederate flag represents the people who died for the south in the war. that may be true, but it is also offensive to some blacks. that's like someone coming to school/work, wearing a swastika. it may not be offensive to you but it may be to a member of another race. the south fought for slavery and yes, the flag is a symbol of hate. i know i'd be mad if somebody was wearing the flag, me being black.


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Posts: 2 | Posted: 7:23 PM on April 5, 2004 | IP
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if the north wanted to get rid of slavery so bad, then why did they have slaves/servants? they also had black codes (segrigation)...seems kinda racists to me.

here are some facts for you guys/girls....
approx. 25% of ALL southerners owened slaves (and only 3-5% of those were apart of the upper plantation class....those with power)
3% of the population were free blacks (some of which owned slaves)
there were 180k soldiers and 20k sailors in the union army (80% were black both slave and free)
main reason the north fought...to preserve the union
main reason the south fought...rights (not slavery)
both also fought over who was to control western lands
it wasn't the emancipation proclimation that freed the slave (i mean all of them) it was the 13th amendment...the E.P. only freed those in rebellious states, what about the ones in the border state (neutral) and north

now you guys can take this and twist it around or do what ever you want with it...but before you go tellin me to get my facts straight you need to talk to every history i have ever had. i got this info from notes in the history class i am takin right now, and also got some of it off line because i am writing a paper over this very topic (the confederate flag doesn't represent slavery) for english

one other thing, i know this has been stated already but during the slave trade (importation) which ended before the civil war even started, the "Stares and Stripes" was used on the american ships....it wasn't until the secession that the confederate battle flag was used on ships, so if you think about it the confederate flag was never on a ship that brought slaves over....even if the importation of slaves was still legal it would still be a true statement because the north had all southern ports blocked so there was no trade goin on.

plz excuse any spelling errors


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Posts: 3 | Posted: 03:11 AM on April 22, 2004 | IP
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The Confederate flag conflict was started by a bunch of crybabies trying to stir up trouble and make themselves feel big by starting somthing.

I am a Southerner, and to me the flag doesn't symbolize any discrimination or racism or stand for slavery. It stands for the South.

Should we ban the flying of Egypt's flag? Huh? They had slaves. Why can't Southerners express their love of their homeland.
To me, the U.S. flag is not MY flag. Not anymore. The country today is filled with things like homosexuality, abortions, and Americans forgetting God.

The Confederate flag stands for OUR freedom. The U.S. created their flag for freedom. And the Union didn't care whether or not the South had slaves, they just wanted them back in the Union.

This was all started by people trying to somehow heal the 'pains' of their people at the expense of others.
 


Posts: 5 | Posted: 4:32 PM on March 5, 2005 | IP
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I think that the Confederate Flag is an extreme symbol of Racism and needs to be illegal to bear. We wooped the Confederates in the civil war, and we'll do it again if Racism rises again. I will contact the Grey Knights and assist them in cleaning up Reno of Rasicm and smite the Unholy. My troops will fly my flag, and we'll see who thinks it's funny to be discrimminated because of the way they are...


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Posts: 1 | Posted: 5:44 PM on May 3, 2005 | IP
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I know I'm late on this topic but I wanted to address 2 things.
1.The Emancipation Proclamation did not free all slaves just the ones in the south.
The proclamation declared "that all persons held as slaves" within the rebellious states "are, and henceforward shall be free."
So that means that the northern ststes could still have slaves to this day.

2.This is to Commander Fox
I am not racist but I believe I am prepared to die deafened that flag and the right to fly it.
Are you prepared to die trying to take it from me???
When ever you and your boy scouts feel like you are ready to take down my flag then bring it on.

I have one more bit of news for you all.
We have learned a lot since the civil war.
We have learned from Vietnam and now Iraq that the US military can not handle guerrilla warfare.
If a new civil war was to break out right now the US would lose this one.

If you think I'm wrong just try and take our flag's and you'll find out.

I have read a lot of statistics that show that more than half of the south would give up the flag.
Well guess what thoses stats do not show all of us that are laying back keeping quite and just waiting for someone to jump and try to take our rights or our flag.

http://www.boomp.com/board/?mforum=nucsa

(Edited by oldreb39 5/22/2005 at 11:18 PM).

(Edited by oldreb39 5/22/2005 at 11:19 PM).
 


Posts: 1 | Posted: 11:17 PM on May 22, 2005 | IP
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How can you say that it stands as a symbol of history when the confederacy lasted less than a decade.

I also doubt that southerners will revolt if the government stops them from flying the stars and bars. Other than you of course...


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Posts: 121 | Posted: 10:35 PM on June 21, 2005 | IP
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#1. The KKK doesnt use the confederate flag except for two chapters in Ohio and some other Northern state. The leaders of the KKK have asked that all chapters refrain from using the confederate flag at their events.

Interestingly enough, the KKK does use the American flag at every event.

What's this you say? Hmm? Are you telling me they are using it out of context?

Oh, how nice. Maybe thats what the northern chapters are doing with the CSA flag.


#2. Tell me why in the heck would dirt-poor farmer boys who probably never even saw a slave, much less owned one, go out and sacrifice their lives for a war that would only benefited rich plantation owners? The "civil war" had very little to do with slavery. It was more of a trigger issue than anything.

#3. The secession was not treason, as an earlier poster argued. Jeffeson Davis - president of the CSA, since you obviously dont know jack about the War for Southern Independence - was imprisoned after the war on the charges of treason, but guess what? There never was a trial. There never was a trial because the prosecuters had nothing to try him for because there was no law that forbid states from seceding from the Union. And why would there be? 110 years prior to the WfSI the 13 Original Colonies did the very same thing the 11 seceding states did.

How can you say it was ok for the 13 Colonies to secede, but not the 11 southern states. The Declaration of Independence itself proclaims that when a government no longer represents the interest of a body of people, those people have a God-given right to abolish that form of government and form a new one. Southerners were merely exercising that right proclaimed by the very foundation of this country.

I am tired, but I am full of facts such as these, so I will post more later.
 


Posts: 2 | Posted: 11:28 PM on July 11, 2005 | IP
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The Confederate flag is cool looking, although what it means is ascinine. Lots of teens think its cool but if they really knew what it meant they would kick their own ass. The Rebel Flag is a dispicable form of racism. Only inbread hicks should have them.


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Posts: 1 | Posted: 9:57 PM on October 6, 2005 | IP
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Are you serious? The Confederate "flag doesn't symbolize any discrimination or racism or stand for slavery. It stands for the South." It is extremely difficult to grasp the level of ignorance in this forum. I am also from the south and know many people that own Confederate Flags. They are not flying the flag to represent the south, they fly the flag to represent the idealogy southerns had at that time.

I guess you would also feel that the German swastika, also is not a symbol of discimination. Regardless of the argument if offends the black community as a sign of racism and only defense for representing the flag is ignorance!

 


Posts: 2 | Posted: 7:40 PM on May 3, 2006 | IP
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1) people have the right to fly/wear Confederate flags.

2) many people take pride in the Confederate flag.

3) many people are offended by the Confederate flag.

4) people should be allowed to display the Confederate flag, but people should also be respectful of other people and not flaunt the flag in front of those likely to be offended by it.
 


Posts: 79 | Posted: 1:55 PM on May 6, 2006 | IP
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I have read a lot of the posts on here and have to say I agree with those who support the flying of the Confederate flag. I am from the north and live in Texas. But have always supported the right to fly the Confederate flag regardless which version is flown. If we ban flying of the Confederate Flag we should also ban flying those state flags which were carried into battle by the Confederate soldiers. Their Armies formed out of State militias and uniforms and  
outfitting varied from state to state. For that matter let's outlaw British and Dutch flags or any other country including the Union who owned or supported slavery. Let's get real here! I believe that the war was over State rights not just slavery! Most all of the generals for the south that were in the military left the north to defend their states. General Lee was one of those! Heck I think that if a a lot of the people that started this country in 1776 would have been turned in the same direction. Remember slavery was a big issue for the drafters of the declaration and constitution and this country held slaves until  1865 and really didn't tackle civil rights until the 1960's. All the arguing over a flag that is used by a minority to discriminate, still doesn't settle the civil rights issues. USE YOUR HEADS FOR MORE THAN A HATRACK PEOPLE!!![random] [random]


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Posts: 1 | Posted: 7:26 PM on April 19, 2007 | IP
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Trying to prove people wrong with no education is like trying to get a cat to catch a laser dot. It will never happen. Some people do use the flag as a racial issue, some dont. Some have an education on their background, some dont. Just as blacks blame whites for slavery, dont forget it was blacks that sold their own people to whites as slaves.


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Posts: 6 | Posted: 8:49 PM on September 27, 2007 | IP
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During the civil war the south thought of themselves as an independent nation and created the rebel flag to represent that nation. In the twenty first century, many people still take pride in the south and use the confederate flag as a symbol, however there are also those who use is as a sign of racism.
 


Posts: 1 | Posted: 08:40 AM on September 17, 2008 | IP
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For many people who live in the south, the Confederate flag is a reminder of the Confederacy- the coalition of southern states that attempted to break free of the United States in the 1860's. Many feel the flag is a symbol of honor for the veterans who fought and died in the Civil War. The Confederacy strongly defended slavery, thus leading many to feel that the Confederate flag represents an era of oppression for African Americans.
 


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I dont see how flying the confederate flag can be seen as being "American"

Either it's un-American because they wanted to break off from the USA

or it's un-American because to a large population of Black Americans it represents the history of racism.




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Posts: 7 | Posted: 6:51 PM on November 20, 2008 | IP
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My take on this is, everyone has the right to show their own opinions in any way they want. I think every American believes and loves that value. I am completely against the confederate flag, because it is such a sign of ignorance and hate. I think it is a huge lie saying "ohhh i'm just cherishing the south." By that do you mean, (regarding the times of slavery) cherishing the thought of treating people like dogs and completely degrading someone just cause of their own skin tone? Also, many people in history waved around the confederate flag who were clearly racist.Take Connie Lynch who is photographed in a vest with the design of the confederate flag. (Civil Rights Chronicle The african American Struggle For Freedom Consultant: Clayborne Carson, Ph.D Driector MLK jr papers project Foreword by Myrlie Evers-Williams) What do you think that tells the African American race? I mean I am a white woman, and i feel offended by that flag. I couldn't imagine what it is like for an African American to see that symbol waving in the air in today's world.  Yes, it is against the constitution to make someone take down a flag that represents a belief, so i know there is nothing really I can do about it. But, I know i could also not take part in that foolishness by symbolizing a hateful messege.
 


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500k americans lost their lives because of yankee aggression and regardless of the extreme reverse discrimination and pandering america is obsessed with, the flag represents american values of honor andd loyalty to your home.


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