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Is the Confederate Flag a Symbol of Racism? 

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Posts: 31 | Posted: 4:10 PM on May 1, 2002 | IP
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The Confederate Battle Flag should not be looked upon as a sign of hate.  The Confederate Batte Flag is a symbol of the men, both white AND black, who fought and died.  Anyone who thinks that the flag is a sign of racism should know that inbetween 60,000 to 93,000 black free men fought under that flag.  The Confederate Flag is a showing of heritage, a reminder of the true history of the civil war.  History is tought by the people that won the wars, therefore the American society has been tought to hate everything to do with the Confederacy.  I do not agree with hate groups waving the Confederate Flag, that is wrong.  I wave the flag for the simple fact that I am extremely proud of it and will never take it down.  The flag is a symbol of the true history and a way of life that is gone forever.


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I am always stunned by the people who try and spread the lie that the civil war WASN'T over slavery. They claim it was state's rights, which is absurd. Well perhaps that's a bit harsh, it WAS over states rights, specifically, the state's "right" to allow its residents to own slaves/be enslaved, which IS ridiculous. The flag is a sign of a way of life that is long gone, but this life of hatred is a life we should be proud to see gone, not celebrating.


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8 percent of the Confederate soldiers owed slaves.  93,000 FREE black men fought for the Confederacy to protect there home land.  Lincoln wanted to free slaves for economic reason for the north.  He stated on numerous times that he was not interested in making blacks equal.  He was not a civil rights leader, he was a politician.  And like all politician all he did was seek re-election.


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"I have no interest in making blacks equal to whites, they are of a lesser quality and this I am sure of." -Abraham Lincoln
"You don't win a war by dying for your country, you win a war by making the other person die for theirs." -General George Patton
 


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I never claimed Lincoln was altruistic in his motives. The ideal that he was such as saint is somewhat of a myth, but whether for reelection purposes or otherwise, the civil started due to slavery. The mere fact that it was an issue for Lincoln to exploit demonstrates this, that the south would fight so viciously to defend this "right." Slavery was the cause of the civil war, regardless of anyones particular motive in dealing with it.


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If the civil war was truly 100 percent all about slavery then why did 91 percent of the Confederate troops fight, 93000 of those being black, and they didn't even own a single slave?


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The same reason why millions of germans fought in WWII, even they might not of hated jews?


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That was completely different.  The Nazi's gave their citizens a choice.  Join the army or face the gestapo and prision camps.


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I don't know if you all remember the show the dukes of hazzard but of you do then you will remember the car.  On top of the car was a huge Confederate flag and the car was named the general lee.  Do you think that car, show was racist by doing that?  


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me personally? no. but if that car was displaying a large swastika and was named "hitler" i'd probably be offended. And to be perfectly honest, many african-americans would interpret it the same way, so I would defer to them, rather than tell them why they shouldn't be offended.


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Do you think they should be offended?


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No, it merely symbolizes a struggle.  Blacks were in it, thats all.


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it's a not a case of "should." do we have the right to say that they shouldn't be offended? Where do we get the right to tell a whole group of folks what they can and can't be offended at? The fact that they are offended should be enough. We don't have any cause or reason to question their motives.


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Exactly.  We have no right to tell them what is offending.  But it is not ment to offend, nonetheless.


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I am offended by a great deal of things that african american population does towards the white people but if I were to say sometihng I would be a "racists"


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good point.  But in the same way, is calling a black the n word not racist? it is not, but they take it racially unless said by other balcks.


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tsmith, i agree with u, racial relations are very hypocritical. But shouldn't you take the highground?


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Thats true.  Many minorities that are pregeduce go unoticed.  But still...


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I would like to take the high ground unfortunalty it is very hard to sit back and watch all that, so I take my ground.  People think that just because white america enslaved blacks and did other things to put down their culture that we should punish 140 years after the fact.  And now we have to always be on our toes and watch what we say, I am tired of that.


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"You don't win a war by dying for your country, you win a war by making the other person die for theirs." -General George Patton
 


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Hmmm.  I see your point.  but many whites know what to say and what not too.  I have seen many blacks and whites in my school get in trouble for saying the wrong things.  (By the way, whats the high ground>???)


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taking the high ground means doing what's morally correct, even if it isn't being reciprocated.


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But what is morally correct might not be for another, so the high ground in turn is really your own ground.


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ah! my own liberal logic turned on me. But i think that we can all agree that being "bigger" than the other guy is always morally correct. be strong tsmith!


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I am trying to be strong but sooner or later something has to give.


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what ever happened to strong conservative values? be strong, don't give in.


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My values are stronger then a rock, I am not saying I am going to give, I said something had to give, but I can go ahead and tell you in will never be me.


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"I have no interest in making blacks equal to whites, they are of a lesser quality and this I am sure of." -Abraham Lincoln
"You don't win a war by dying for your country, you win a war by making the other person die for theirs." -General George Patton
 


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great, that means taking down the confederate flag which offends blacks even if they aren't affording you the same courtesy.


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Never Never Never.  Why should I take it down?  Why should I give in?  It has nothing to do with racisim and nothing to do with white power.  It has to do with the fact that my ancestors fought and died for something they believed in and I will not hide from my families past, I am not ashamed nor will I ever be.  I am what I am and nothing will ever changed that.  The flag stays.


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tsmith, even u have to admit it has SOMETHING to do with racism and white power. Maybe you aren't flying it for that reason. But that doesn't change the connotation everyone else sees. Similarly, flying a swastika to celebrate your grandfather's service in wwii would have an anti-semetic (to say the least) connatation regardless of whether it was flown by a racist or someone who is just really proud of grandpa. The right thing to do is take it down. No law can or should force you to, but the ethical thing is to. It's not giving in, it's being sensitive to the great pain and awful legacy that flag represents to so many americans.


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What about the great legacy the flag represents to so many americans.  And what do I care if people see the flag the wrong way, its my flag on my house.  How can you say its the ethical thing to do?  You say its ethical to take it down, but I say its ethical to keep it up.  Who is more ethically right?  There will always be a north south bias forever, some things will never change.  There is such a thing as southern hospitality.  You have a northern bias and can't understand why I would fly a flag like this, but when you are raised this way, its just kind of how it is and how it will be forever.


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well, obviously no one can force you to take it down, and being the aclu-liberal type i am, i would fight to the death to prevent someone from forcing you to take it down (if u were a govt. that would be another issue). but as a matter of ethics, does your regional pride, which can be expressed in so many ways (like buying a gun rack or eating grits ), have to be expressed in the one way that is certain to offend a quarter of the american population?


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The african american population in america is around 11.8 percent first of all.  I am not out to offend anyone what so ever.  But I am out to protect the rights of my family and I.  I do not fly that flag in support of racisim but if someone thinks that and doesn't want to ask me why it is there then I don't want them around.  And finally, I hate grits with a passion and don't own a gun rack, I keep all my guns in a safe with one under my bed thank you.


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"You don't win a war by dying for your country, you win a war by making the other person die for theirs." -General George Patton
 


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i didn't know the figure (i made a wild guess), but i think we can agree that some non-blacks would be offended as well. again, on the issue of your "right" to fly a confederate flag there is no disagreement, you have that right. Whether you should is another issue entirely.


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I agree that it might offend some white people and actually it should.  But I am not out to make the politically correct move or the social norm move.  I am doing what I think is ethically correct to my anscestors, my family and me.  Your ethics are instilled in you from your family and this is one that was put in me, and who is to say I am wrong, who has the right to say that?  I understand your point of view totally but on the other hand you must see mine.  There are two sides to every story.


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obviously there are. this debate i think we can call a stalemate?


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Agreed.


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Stalemate?  It would just getting good...I popped a bag of popcorn for this.


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sorry to disappoint. how about u set up a "tsmith vs. dsadevil deathmatch" forum in stupid pointless debates, and we can go at it for the viewing entertainment of all?


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oh I like this idea.


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I can be ref!  Also, the confederate flag is a sign that commemorates the people that died in the civil war.  The blacks, whites, chinese, native americans, all.  They all died.  So why not give them proper tribute?  That's what the confederate flag is all about, the fact that so many died for FREEDOM.


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freedom? explain...


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Posts: 789 | Posted: 8:15 PM on October 16, 2002 | IP
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Well the confederate flag wasnt the flag flown over the slave ships now was it....no it was the american flag...two states that fought in the union where slave owning states..so obviously the war wasnt about slavery....the flag is designed based off the british flag and the american flag for that purpose it took the x shape from the british and the stars from american flag in order to show that it derived from those two countries...no one ever complained about the rebel flag until the NAACP started saying it was racist but if you havnt noticed every thing is racist to them. Also the flag was designed before the war. Also the rap artist OUTKAST fly the rebel flag and they are black.
 


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Freedom, as in freedom of the black slaves, the white slaves who were part black, etc.  Freedom for people who were enslaved by foolish whitey tightey's. (uptight whites!)  Southerners believe that since blacks weren't people, then they deserved 0 freedom.  So people fought for da freedom of blacks and white-blacks.


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To clear a couple things up, the Confederate flag that everyone sees being flown is actually not the true Confederate flag, it is the Confederate naval flag.  The actual flag of the Confederacy was almost idenical to the American flag.  It was red white and blue, with three stripe, one white and two red.  In the corner was a blue patch with 13 stars.  And those flags were made when the south suceeded from the union.  The original flag of the south is the bonnie blue flag.  It is a navy flag with a single star in it.  Texas still uses part of the flag in their state flag.


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"I have no interest in making blacks equal to whites, they are of a lesser quality and this I am sure of." -Abraham Lincoln
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I thought the confederacy changed flags when in the thick of battle the soldiers couldn't tell the difference between the union and confederate flags (them being so similar before changing to the stars and bars)


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Then they changed the flags to the naval jack in the corner and the rest white with a red bar done the right side.  But you are right, that is why they changed it.


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"I have no interest in making blacks equal to whites, they are of a lesser quality and this I am sure of." -Abraham Lincoln
"You don't win a war by dying for your country, you win a war by making the other person die for theirs." -General George Patton
 


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Then they changed the flags to the naval jack in the corner and the rest white with a red bar done the right side.  But you are right, that is why they changed it.


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"I have no interest in making blacks equal to whites, they are of a lesser quality and this I am sure of." -Abraham Lincoln
"You don't win a war by dying for your country, you win a war by making the other person die for theirs." -General George Patton
 


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Check this out, these are the five flags of the Confederacy.

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=724907680


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"I have no interest in making blacks equal to whites, they are of a lesser quality and this I am sure of." -Abraham Lincoln
"You don't win a war by dying for your country, you win a war by making the other person die for theirs." -General George Patton
 


Posts: 372 | Posted: 12:24 AM on October 18, 2002 | IP
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Why do u define yourself so much by what your ancestors did or didn't do? It has nothing to with you. They're all dead. Like Huck Finn, "I don't put much stock in dead people". And I do think Lincoln thought slavery was a seriously wrong thing. I think he was just practical and was more worried about preserving the Union. I think Lincoln was the greatest President ever(and plus he's just so darn cool!!)


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I don't define myself by what my ansectors did, but I don't hide from it.  You don't know who you are until you know where you came from.  How can you say your ansectors have nothing to do with you?  Maybe you are mad at your parents cause they didn't play with you enough when you were little or something but I honor my family, the living and the dead.  Lincoln didn't give a damn about blacks, he wanted a bigger army and more workers for the industrial and agricultural north, bottom line.  He once said, "I have no interest in making black equal to whites, they are of lower class and this I am sure of."  Yeah, he sounds like a real freedom fighter.


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"You don't win a war by dying for your country, you win a war by making the other person die for theirs." -General George Patton
 


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