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 When I was applying for UGA in the summer of 1998 on the resume you had to have 7 points to get into UGA.  It was like add 0.5 points if you have a 3.5 GPA, add 1.0 points if you have a 4.0 or higher GPA, and on one it said add 1.0 points if your black and 0.5 if your a woman! What the heck is wrong with this country, why are black people getting better treatment than white people for something that ended 138 years ago?  Blacks did nothing for this country, we educated them, and saved the blacks that are in our country now from a life of AIDS, lion-hunting with spears, and living in a hut with no AC, if you don't like this then live with it, name just one successful black-ran country that hasn't had a white country's aid.  I don't see why modern day blacks just don't follow Marcus Garvey's example and move back to Africa, educate them, and have there own country where they don't have to live with our ''oppression.'' if not then they need to shut up.


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Posts: 31 | Posted: 02:09 AM on June 23, 2003 | IP
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You're an idiot. This isn't about slavery only. It's about 400 years of injustices to all minorites. Africa among other nations were detroyed by wars of europeans. You did nothing for Blacks. All you did was bring them here and enslave, torture, rape, and then after all that treat them as 2nd class citizens. This doesn't only apply to blacks but all minorities but blacks next to Native americans have been the worse treated people in this country. I'm from Hawai'i and if you've studied the history of Hawai'i you'll see we would ahve been better off without the US.
Affirmative consideration is about fixing the inequities that have exist becasue of the past and present. It's to help people avoid discrmination against racist people liek you that beleive minorites especially blacks are inferior to whites as you have so eloquently proven my point. We need to protect minorites from people that have influence to continue to treat us as the majority in the past have done. Affirmative consideration sin't about reperations, it's about equality that has never been given.
 


Posts: 0 | Posted: 3:54 PM on June 23, 2003 | IP
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i'm the idiot?  where is the equality in a black person getting into a college over me when his GPA is 3.18 and mine is 4.2 (Honors classes add 0.5 GPA and boost it past 4.0).


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Posts: 31 | Posted: 7:13 PM on June 23, 2003 | IP
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Also Guest answer me this...I want you to name just ONE successful black ran country.  Think about it, none of them are doing good and white people are overing there helping them.  I always see them as white, why don't blacks go help their own kind, either stop bitching about injustice that happened to you dead ancestors or leave america and go leave with your own aid-ridden kind.


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Posts: 31 | Posted: 7:16 PM on June 23, 2003 | IP
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Keep proving my point. The fact that you attack an issue not even relevant shows how little you understand. If you had a 4.2 GPA you wouldn't lsoe your spot to someone with a 3.18 unless your SATs just sucked.  You no have clue how affirmative consdieration works.

Also the fact that you get .5 gpa boosts shows how unfair the system is because I took 4 AP classes and our grades were weighted the same regardless the difficulty. Also AP classes are usually found in more affluent areas. They're not available for everyone.

Injustices are still current in this country today. Funny for someone that took honors classes you don't understand that an injustice anywhere is a threat to justice every where. Also it's not about dead ancestors it's baout now and the inequities existent today.

Did you take honors world history? If you did you'd understand that in the 7000 year human history that Europe has only risen in the last 1000 years. What were they doing during the beginning of civilization? Also a big reason Africa is the way it is from wars from Europe, Asia, Middle East and within Africa itself. It was put behind recovering from so many wars.

Oh by the way I'm not black and why don't you go back to your own poverty socialistic Europe and leave capitalism and democracy to the non-prejudice justice loving people.

An answer to your question- Jamaica.
 


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Keep proving my point. The fact that you attack an issue not even relevant shows how little you understand. If you had a 4.2 GPA you wouldn't lsoe your spot to someone with a 3.18 unless your SATs just sucked.  You no have clue how affirmative consdieration works.

Also the fact that you get .5 gpa boosts shows how unfair the system is because I took 4 AP classes and our grades were weighted the same regardless the difficulty. Also AP classes are usually found in more affluent areas. They're not available for everyone.

Injustices are still current in this country today. Funny for someone that took honors classes you don't understand that an injustice anywhere is a threat to justice every where. Also it's not about dead ancestors it's baout now and the inequities existent today.

Did you take honors world history? If you did you'd understand that in the 7000 year human history that Europe has only risen in the last 1000 years. What were they doing during the beginning of civilization? Also a big reason Africa is the way it is from wars from Europe, Asia, Middle East and within Africa itself. It was put behind recovering from so many wars.

Oh by the way I'm not black and why don't you go back to your own poverty socialistic Europe and leave capitalism and democracy to the non-prejudice justice loving people.

An answer to your question- Jamaica.
 


Posts: 0 | Posted: 1:54 PM on June 25, 2003 | IP
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No, really, jared.. you're an idiot.

Personally, I'm not big on affirmative action, at least not on the collegiate level. It's definitely true that these inequities exist, and whites absolutely have an advantage over blacks. However, I'm more prone to try to fix the problem at its source, which seems to be gaping discrepancies in secondary schools.

I'd reinstate an economic (rather than race-based) form of affirmative action, where wealthier school districts share with poorer districts. A lot of people are against this, because they hate seeing their tax dollars go somewhere else. What annoys me is that these are the same people who argue (like I did) that we should fix the problem at the source.. though once given the option, they change their minds. I think most of them would rather pretend to acknowledge the problem and then drop it immediately afterwards.

As for jobs... I'm undecided. Harvard did a study where they sent out resumes to large corporations. The reumes were identical except half had "black names" or said something like, "Member of the NAACP", etc. And of course, even though the qualifications were IDENTICAL, the "white" resumes got much, much better responses.

But anyway, that's not why I'm posting. I just wanted to tell jared that he's an idiot. And now I have.
 


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ohh so THATS why affirmative action is wrong! *smacks forehead*
 


Posts: 1 | Posted: 11:40 PM on April 27, 2004 | IP
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That is ridiculous how blacks and women get the freebie advantage over whites and men.  No, I don't think they should be disadvantaged either, but the fact that they get the points is still discrimination every bit as much as it would be if white males were the ones who got the points.

(Edited by Sol 3/8/2005 at 12:49 AM).
 


Posts: 60 | Posted: 05:14 AM on January 9, 2005 | IP
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OK let me set this straight...

SLAVERY AND ALL MINORITY INJUSTICE IS WRONG..


I did not enslave a single black person. Neither did a single living american. So we should not have to apologize for that...

Secondly affirmative action is wrong... with MLK day around the corner, he himself said that he does not want to be judged by the color of his skin but by his character...

Yet we hire blacks, just to hire them... I have no problem because blacks should be equal citizens, and should get their jobs based on their ability and resume just like the rest of us

 


Posts: 32 | Posted: 5:16 PM on January 14, 2005 | IP
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To answer a moronic question asked, well a year and a half ago, but so that people reading it now don't think we are all morons....
The reason "black" countrys are suffering is because of there geolicical positioning, the reason people have black skin is clear, so they don't get sunburn, therfore they are actualy a superior race of humans, however they evolved to darker skin in the arid areas of the world, if we put white people into those areas of the world they would be consideribly worse off. Consider all opinions before anyone asks stupid questions.

Racisim is wrong, love humanity.


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Posts: 301 | Posted: 07:34 AM on January 22, 2005 | IP
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EVERYONE should watch American History X, it has as much relevance in other countrys as it does in america, well to a certain extent. But Iwarn you watch it all the way to the end, you will get the complete wrong message if you only watch the start.


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Posts: 301 | Posted: 3:31 PM on January 26, 2005 | IP
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I believe that no one should be given extra favors because of what race they are or what race they are not. If a white man has a 4.0 GPA that should be equally as good as a black woman that has a 4.0 GPA. A black woman with a 2.9 GPA should not be given the same opportunities as a white man with a 4.0 GPA. Being black does not decrease your chances of getting an A in a class. If you blame your low GPA on being black then you just don't want to admit that you are lazy and will find any excuse available for your own failure.


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Posts: 1 | Posted: 3:09 PM on July 6, 2005 | IP
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I find it strange that those who claim to be opposed to racism believe in laws which discriminate against people solely on the basis of race.

Can someone explain to me why it's ok for them to be so hypocritical?


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You missed the actual replies, Exile. Try reading the whole debate next time.


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President Lyndon Johnson once said “We need seek not just freedom but opportunity, not just legal equity but human ability.” This speech defining affirmative action, states that we cannot just end segregation to obtain equality, we need to create opportunities. This is why affirmative action was first enacted. The intent of affirmative action was to allow racial minorities, followed by gender minorities, to have equal opportunity in the workforce and universities as the majority.

Although affirmative action has helped minorities in university acceptance and acquiring jobs, much has changed in the past 40 years. Minority students have on record, been accepted to universities with significantly lower test scores than majorities. Such an example is the Regents of the University of California v. Bakke case, where the verdict was that affirmative action caused reverse discrimination. This is one of the many reasons why California now outlaws affirmative action of any form.

Martin Luther King Jr., I have a dream speech, said “I have a dream that my four children will one day live in a nation where they will not be judged by the color of their skin but by the content of their character.” As Mr. King believed, we should not judge a person solely on the color of their skins; we should base our decisions on their characteristics and merits.  

Affirmative action is in affect because minorities are thought to be a disadvantage, and needs the extra help. Contrary to belief, some minorities, including race and gender may be children of sophisticated, wealthy parents, meaning they are given equal if not more opportunity than a majority individual. If preferences were truly meant to remedy disadvantage, they would be given on the basis of disadvantage, not on the basis of race. Such factors would be socioeconomic standing.
 


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