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Are You Still A Racist, Xenophobic, and Intolerant Hater?

Are You Still A Racist, Xenophobic, and Intolerant Hater? Am I talking about a white Christian male who is the typical target of this Granfalloon technique of propaganda?  No, I am speaking about the racist, xenophobic, and intolerant hater who promotes the propaganda of the melting pot.  What? How could that be? The pro-melting pot people  are the defenders against racism, xenophobia, intolerance and hate.  Actually, they are not.  They are defenders of the propaganda of conformity. And like all good propagandists they accuse their opponents of the very crimes the propagandist  wants to commit.

“Propaganda by its very nature is an enterprise for perverting the
significance of events and of insinuating false intentions. There are two
salient aspects of this fact. First of all, the propagandist must insist on the
purity of his own intentions and, at the same time, hurl accusations at his
enemy. But the accusation is never made haphazardly or groundlessly (9).
The propagandist will not accuse the enemy of just any misdeed; he will
accuse him of the very intention that he himself has and of trying to
commit the very crime that he himself is about to commit. He who wants to provoke war not only proclaims his own peaceful intentions but also accuses
the other party of provocation. He who uses concentration camps accuses his
neighbor of doing so. He who intends to establish a dictatorship always insists
that his adversaries are bent on dictatorship. The accusation aimed at the
other's intentions clearly reveals the intentions of the accuser. But the public
cannot see this because the revelation is interwoven  with facts. The
mechanism  used here is to slip from the facts, which would demand factual judgment, to moral terrain and to ethical judgment.  (9) Because political
problems are difficult and often confusing,and their significance and their
import not obvious,the propagandist can easily present them in moral
language – and here we leave the realm of fact, to enter into that of passion. Facts, then, come to be discussed in the language of indignation, a tone which
is almost always the mark of propaganda.”

Jaques Ellul, “Propaganda: The Formation of Men's Attitudes” (New York: 1973) Page 58. (emphasis added)

All one has to do is look at the definitions of the words:  “racist”, “xenophobe”, “intolerance”  and “hater” and you will see each of the words are generic.  You will notice that not a single definition includes the words “white,” “Christian,” or “male.”

Racist adj
1: based on racial intolerance; "racist remarks."
2: discriminatory especially on the basis of race or religion.
       
Racist  n : a person with a prejudiced belief that one race is superior to others.

Xenophobe   n.   A person unduly fearful or contemptuous
of that which is foreign, especially of strangers or foreign
peoples.

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         Intolerance n.
         1: impatience with annoyances; "his intolerance of interruptions."
         2: unwillingness to recognize and respect differences in opinions or beliefs [ant:   tolerance].

Hater n : a person who hates.

Since the words are generic the words listed can just as easily be used to describe the promoters of the melting pot.   However, by an appeal to tradition, they are used against anyone, (specifically against  white, Christian males) who would speak against the propaganda of the melting pot.  So what is the melting pot?

Melting pot  n.
1: an environment in which many ideas and races are socially assimilated.
2: a vessel made of material that does not melt easily; used for high temperature    chemical reactions [syn: crucible].

Melting pot  n.
1 a : a place where racial amalgamation and social and cultural assimilation are   going on b : the population of such a place.
2 : a process of blending that often results in invigoration or  novelty.

Amalgamate  trans. verb: to unite in or as if in an amalgam; especially: to merge
into a single body. synonym see MIX.

Assimilate  v.
1 : to take in and appropriate as nourishment : absorb into the system.
2 : to absorb into the cultural tradition of a population or group
    <the community assimilated many immigrants> assimilate.
Assimilate  intrans. v.
1 : to become absorbed or incorporated into the system. <some foods
    assimilate more readily than others>
2 : to become culturally assimilated.

From the definitions you can see that the melting pot is a social experiment in which pure or impure races/cultures are brought together and merged into a single body of race and culture.  So given the right amount of time, the end result of the melting pot is the destruction of the original unique races and cultures to make a new amalgamated race and culture. (Do sugar and butter maintain their original shape, structure and consistency in a melting pot? Answer: No!) Those failing to conform to the assimilation and amalgamation propaganda program  are labeled “racist”, “xenophobe”, “intolerant”  and “hater” since they are resistant to the “heat” (social norms) of the melting pot.  

“In contrast to this propaganda of agitation is the propaganda of
integration – the propaganda of developed nations and characteristics
of our civilization; in fact it did not exist before the twentieth century. It is
a propaganda of conformity. It is related to the fact, analyzed earlier, that in Western society it is not longer sufficient to obtain a transitory political act (such
as a vote); one needs total adherence to a society's truths and behavioral patterns.
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As the more perfectly uniform the society, the stronger its power and effectiveness, each member should be only an organic and functional fragment
of it, perfectly adapted and integrated. He must share the stereotypes, beliefs
and reactions of the group; he must be an active participant in its economic,
ethical, esthetic, and political doings. All his activities, all his sentiments are dependent on this collectivity. And, as he is often reminded, he can only fulfill himself only through this collectivity, as a member of the group.(6)
Propaganda of integration thus aims at making the individual participate
in his society in every way. It is a long-term propaganda, a self-reproducing propaganda that seeks to obtain stable behavior, to adapt the individual to his
everyday life, to reshape his thoughts and behavior in terms of the permanent
social setting. We can see that this propaganda is more extensive and complex
than propaganda of agitation. It must be permanent, for the individual can no
longer be left to himself. (6) This is one of the points common to all American
works on micro-sociology.”

Jaques Ellul, “Propaganda: The Formation of Men's Attitudes” (New York: 1973) Page 74-75. (emphasis added)

So in reality the pro-melting pot propagandists are actually the “racists”, “xenophobes”, “intolerant”  and “haters” since they:
1.Believe mixed races are superior to pure races and cultures.
2.Are fearful of the teachings and zealots that promote pure races, religions, and cultures.
3.They are intolerant to beliefs that do not embrace the melting pot.
4.And they hate those zealots who follow the teachings of God.  God spoke against amalgamation and assimilation of race and culture.

If the world hates you, you know that it hated Me before it hated you.
If you were of the world, the world would love its own. But because you
are not of the world, but I have chosen you out of the world, therefore
the world hates you. Remember the word that I said to you, The servant
is not greater than his master. If they have persecuted Me, they will also
persecute you. If they have kept My saying, they will also keep yours.
John 15:18-20

I have given them Your Word, and the world has hated them because
they are not of the world, even as I am not of the world. I do not pray for
You to take them out of the world, but for You to keep them from the evil.
They are not of the world, even as I am not of the world.
John 17:14-16

Do not be unequally yoked together with unbelievers; for what fellowship
does righteousness have with lawlessness? And what partnership does light
have with darkness? And what agreement does Christ have with Belial? Or
what part does a believer have with an unbeliever? And what agreement does
a temple of God have with idols? For you are the temple of the living God, as
God has said, "I will dwell in them and walk among them ; and I will be their
God, and they shall be My people." Therefore come out from amongthem

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and be separated, says the Lord, and do not touch the unclean thing . And I will receive you and I will be a Father to you, and you shall be My sons and daughters,
says the Lord Almighty.  II Corinthians 6 14-18

When the LORD your God shall bring you into the land where you go to possess
it, and has cast out many nations before you, the Hittites, and the Girgashites,
and the Amorites, and the Canaanites, and the Perizzites,and the Hivites, and
the Jebusites, seven nations greater and mightier than you, and the LORD your
God shall deliver them before you, you shall crush them, completely destroy
them. You shall make no covenant with them nor show mercy to them. Nor
shall you make marriages with them. You shall not give your daughter to his son,
nor shall you take his daughter to your son. For they will turn away your son from following Me, so that they may serve other gods.  Deuteronomy 7:1-5

For if you were cut out of the natural wild olive tree, and were grafted contrary to nature into a good olive tree;how much more these being according to nature
will be grafted into their own olive-tree? Romans 11:24

As stated before the melting pot is a propaganda of conformity.  In order to insure conformity the individuals who resist conformity must be vilified and dehumanized.  So they are labeled “racists”, ”white supremists”, “xenophobes”, “intolerant” and “haters.” This is accomplished by the Granfalloon technique of propaganda:

'What makes the Granfalloon tick? Researchers have uncovered two basic psychological processes, onecognitive and one motivational. First, the knowledge
that “I am part in this group” is used to divide up and make sense of the world,
much in the same way that words and labels can be used to pre-persuade (see
Chapter 6). Differences between groups are exaggerated, whereas similarities
among members of the granfalloon are emphasized in the secure knowledge that
“this is what our type does.” One serious consequence is that the out-group
members are dehumanized; they are represented in our minds by a simple, often derogatory label – gook, jap, redneck, southerner, kike, nigger – as opposed to
unique individuals – Nguyen, Susumu, Anthony, Elliot,Doug. It is a lot easier to abuse an abstraction. Second, social groups are a source of self-esteem and pride,
a form of reverse Groucho Marx - “I'd be more than happyto join a club that would have me as a member.”* To obtain the self esteem the goup has to offer, members
come to defend the group and adopt its symbols, rituals,and beliefs.  Herein lies
the secret to the persuasiveness the granfalloon. If the professional persuader,
the advertiser, the politician, the televangelist can get us to accept his or her granfalloons, then we have a ready-made way to make sense of our lives – the
propagandist's way – and as our self-esteem becomes increasingly linked to
these groups, we have a strong motivation to defend the group and to go to great
lengths proudly to adopt its customs. What the propagandist is really saying is: “You are on my side (never mind that I created the teams); now act like it
and do what we say.”'

Pratkanis, Anthony and Aronson, Elliot.  “Age of  Propaganda: The Everyday
Use and Abuse of Persuasion” (New York: 2001) Page 217. (emphasis added)
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So remember the next time someone accuses you of being a “racist”, “xenophobe”, “intolerant”  or “hater” don't be a victim of their propaganda.  Tell that propagandist that it is
they  who are the “racist”, “xenophobe”, “intolerant”  or “hater” since they:
1.Believe mixed races are superior to pure races and cultures.
2.Are fearful of the teachings and zealots that promote pure races, religions, and cultures.
3.They are intolerant to beliefs that do not embrace the melting pot.
4.And they hate those zealots who follow the teachings of God.  God spoke against amalgamation and assimilation of race and culture.

“And Peter and the apostles answered and said,
We ought to obey God rather than men.”  
          Acts 5:29


Here are some questions to ponder:

1. How can you have diversity without diverse races and cultures being separate?
2.  How can you have diverse and unique races by interracial marriage?
3.  Why does a racist, xenophobic, and intolerant God hater have to re-define the word "diverse" which means separate to promote the melting pot term "diversity" which means to the opposite?

diverse   adj.
  1. Differing one from another.
2.Made up of distinct characteristics, qualities, or elements: “Prague... offers visitors a series of excursions into a rich and diverse past” (Olivier Bernier).

Caveat: Don't be alarmed or upset if no Racist, Xenophobic, and Intolerant God Hater wants to listen to you and give up their belief in the melting pot.

For action makes propaganda's effect irreversible.(3) He who acts in obedience to propaganda can never go back. He is now obligated to believe in the propaganda because of his past action. He is obligated to believe from it his justification and authority, without which his action will seem to him absurd or unjust, which would be intolerable. He is obligated to continue to advance in the direction indicated by propaganda, for action demands more action. He is what one calls committed – which is certainly what the Communist party anticipates, for example, and what the Nazis accomplished.

Jaques Ellul, “Propaganda: The Formation of Men's Attitudes” (New York: 1973) Page 29.

For action makes propaganda's effect irreversible.(3) He who acts in obedience to propaganda can never go back. He is now obligated to believe in the propaganda because of his past action.* He is obligated to believe from it his justification and authority, without which his action will seem to him absurd or unjust, which would be intolerable. He is obligated to continue to advance in the direction indicated by propaganda, for action demands more action. He is what one calls committed – which is certainly what the Communist party anticipates, for example, and what the Nazis accomplished.

Jaques Ellul, “Propaganda: The Formation of Men's Attitudes” (New York: 1973) Page 29.

Canon found that, as one's confidence is weakened, a person becomes less prone to listen to arguments against his or her beliefs. Thus the very people you want to convince and whose opinions might be the most susceptible to be changed are the ones lest likely to continue to expose themselves to a communication designed for that purpose. Information campaigns frequently fail to change attitudes, a fact of life persuasive life that was observed by Herbert Hyman and Paul Sheatsley as far back as 1947. (2) In explaining the frequent failure of information campaigns, Hyman and Sheatsley noted that people tend to acquire information mostly about things that they find of interest and tend to avoid information that does not agree with their beliefs. Should someone find that they have been unavoidably exposed to uninteresting and disagreeable information, a common response is to distort and reinterpret that information, thus ignoring its implications for updating beliefs and attitudes.

Pratkanis, Anthony and Aronson, Elliot.“Age of Propaganda": The Everyday Use and Abuse of Persuasion” (New York: 2001) Page 281-282.

There are at lest four ways in which the members of an audience can reduce their discomfort: (1) They can change their opinion; (2) they can induce the communicator to change his or her opinion; (3) they can seek support for their original opinion by finding other people who share their views, in spite of what the communicator says; or (4) they can derogate the communication – convince themselves the communicator is stupid or immoral – and thereby invalidate the person's opinion.

Pratkanis, Anthony and Aronson, Elliot.“Age of Propaganda": The Everyday Use and Abuse of Persuasion” (New York: 2001) Page 192.

"Even him, whose coming is after the working of Satan with all power and signs and lying wonders, And with all deceivableness of unrighteousness in them that perish; because they received not the love of the truth, that they might be saved. And for this cause God shall send them strong delusion, that they should believe a lie: That they all might be damned who believed not the truth, but had pleasure in unrighteousness." 2 Thessalonians 2:9-12

(Edited by unworthy servant 5/14/2006 at 9:18 PM).


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Posts: 196 | Posted: 6:02 PM on April 18, 2006 | IP
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4.And they hate those zealots who follow the teachings of God.  God spoke against amalgamation and assimilation of race and culture.


Actually God spoke against assimilation of race and culture only to ancient Israelites because the other cultures worshipped other gods.  Just as you verse speaks against being unequally yoked, it only refers to believers/non (un?) believers.  The vision seen by Peter where God said do not call unclean that which I have cleansed (paraphrasing, don't have my bible in front of me) was obviously (painfully obviously if you bother to read it) referring to the acceptance of the Gentiles (any nationality other than Israelite) among the brethren.  You can't read the New Testament and still think that God wants us to abstain from fellowship with those of other ethnicities.  You keep mentioning the words white male Christian.  I'm white.  Christ was a Jew.  If, indeed, any race were to be considered purer than another (and you really have to twist some scripture and ignore the rest to come to that sort of conclusion) then Jews would be on top anyhow.  There is nothing wrong with one Christian marrying another Christian of ANY ethnic background.  At least not by reading the King James, American Standard, Revised Standard or New International Versions of the Bible.  If you are reading a different version that propogates division among the races (after the new covenant which began on the day of Pentecost following the Christ's ascension {or anytime after Jesus began his ministry really}) then I'd be interested in reading it.


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Posts: 1287 | Posted: 6:22 PM on April 18, 2006 | IP
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Hey thanks for you unsubstantiated opinions. . .too bad you don't have the facts to back up your specualtion. . .come back when you have some. . .


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Posts: 196 | Posted: 11:53 AM on April 19, 2006 | IP
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Again, please tell me what version of Scripture you are basing your beliefs on.  I'd really like to see it.


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Posts: 1287 | Posted: 12:31 PM on April 19, 2006 | IP
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Quote from EMyers at 12:31 PM on April 19, 2006 :
Again, please tell me what version of Scripture you are basing your beliefs on.  I'd really like to see it.


The version that has the verses I listed. . . . hahahahaaa.. . . which just happens to be the version that validates what I have posted and contradicts your unsubstantiated opinion. . .





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Posts: 196 | Posted: 5:10 PM on April 19, 2006 | IP
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If you don't know, just come out and say it.


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Acts 10
34 And Peter opened his mouth and said, Of a truth I perceive that God is no respecter of persons:
35 but in every nation he that feareth him, and worketh righteousness, is acceptable to him

Leveticus 19
34 The stranger that sojourneth with you shall be unto you as the home-born among you, and thou shalt love him as thyself; for ye were sojourners in the land of Egypt: I am Jehovah your God.

Genesis 26
4 And I will multiply thy seed as the stars of heaven, and will give unto thy seed all these lands. And in thy seed shall all the nations of the earth be blessed.

Isaiah 66
19 And I will set a sign among them, and I will send such as escape of them unto the nations, to Tarshish, Pul, and Lud, that draw the bow, to Tubal and Javan, to the isles afar off, that have not heard my fame, neither have seen my glory; and they shall declare my glory among the nations.

Matthew 15
22 And behold, a Canaanitish woman came out from those borders, and cried, saying, Have mercy on me, O Lord, thou son of David; my daughter is grievously vexed with a demon.
23 But he answered her not a word. And his disciples came and besought him, saying, Send her away; for she crieth after us.
24 But he answered and said, I was not sent but unto the lost sheep of the house of Israel.
25 But she came and worshipped him, saying, Lord, help me.
26 And he answered and said, It is not meet to take the children's bread and cast it to the dogs.
27 But she said, Yea, Lord: for even the dogs eat of the crumbs which fall from their masters' table.
28 Then Jesus answered and said unto her, O woman, great is thy faith: be it done unto thee even as thou wilt. And her daughter was healed from that hour.

Mark 7
25 But straightway a woman, whose little daughter had an unclean spirit, having heard of him, came and fell down at his feet.
26 Now the woman was a Greek, a Syrophoenician by race. And she besought him that he would cast forth the demon out of her daughter.
27 And he said unto her, Let the children first be filled: for it is not meet to take the children's bread and cast it to the dogs.
28 But she answered and saith unto him, Yea, Lord; even the dogs under the table eat of the children's crumbs.
29 And he said unto her, For this saying go thy way; the demon is gone out of thy daughter.
30 And she went away unto her house, and found the child laid upon the bed, and the demon gone out.

Luke 17
12 And as he entered into a certain village, there met him ten men that were lepers, who stood afar off:
13 and they lifted up their voices, saying, Jesus, Master, have mercy on us.
14 And when he saw them, he said unto them, Go and show yourselves unto the priests. And it came to pass, as they went, they were cleansed.
15 And one of them, when he saw that he was healed, turned back, with a loud voice glorifying God;
16 and he fell upon his face at his feet, giving him thanks: and he was a Samaritan.
17 And Jesus answering said, Were not the ten cleansed? but where are the nine?
18 Were there none found that returned to give glory to God, save this stranger?
19 And he said unto him, Arise, and go thy way: thy faith hath made thee whole.

Acts 10
28 and he said unto them, Ye yourselves know how it is an unlawful thing for a man that is a Jew to join himself or come unto one of another nation; and yet unto me hath God showed that I should not call any man common or unclean:

Matthew 28
19 Go ye therefore, and make disciples of all the nations, baptizing them into the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit:

Acts 2
9 Parthians and Medes and Elamites, and the dwellers in Mesopotamia, in Judaea and Cappadocia, in Pontus and Asia,
10 in Phrygia and Pamphylia, in Egypt and the parts of Libya about Cyrene, and sojourners from Rome, both Jews and proselytes,
11 Cretans and Arabians, we hear them speaking in our tongues the mighty works of God.

Deuteronomy 10
17 For Jehovah your God, he is God of gods, and Lord of lords, the great God, the mighty, and the terrible, who regardeth not persons, nor taketh reward.

I Corinthians 12
13 For in one Spirit were we all baptized into one body, whether Jews or Greeks, whether bond or free; and were all made to drink of one Spirit

Romans 10
12 For there is no distinction between Jew and Greek: for the same Lord is Lord of all, and is rich unto all that call upon him:

Revelations 7
9 After these things I saw, and behold, a great multitude, which no man could number, out of every nation and of all tribes and peoples and tongues, standing before the throne and before the Lamb, arrayed in white robes, and palms in their hands;
10 and they cry with a great voice, saying, Salvation unto our God who sitteth on the throne, and unto the Lamb.

Romans 4
16 For this cause it is of faith, that it may be according to grace; to the end that the promise may be sure to all the seed; not to that only which is of the law, but to that also which is of the faith of Abraham, who is the father of us all
17 (as it is written, A father of many nations have I made thee) before him whom he believed, even God, who giveth life to the dead, and calleth the things that are not, as though they were.

Genesis 1
26 And God said, Let us make man in our image, after our likeness: and let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the birds of the heavens, and over the cattle, and over all the earth, and over every creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth.
27 And God created man in his own image, in the image of God created he him; male and female created he them.

Acts 17
26 and he made of one every nation of men to dwell on all the face of the earth, having determined their appointed seasons, and the bounds of their habitation;

I Samuel 16
7 But Jehovah said unto Samuel, Look not on his countenance, or on the height of his stature; because I have rejected him: for Jehovah seeth not as man seeth; for man looketh on the outward appearance, but Jehovah looketh on the heart.

Ephesians 2
14 For he is our peace, who made both one, and brake down the middle wall of partition,
15 having abolished in the flesh the enmity, even the law of commandments contained in ordinances; that he might create in himself of the two one new man, so making peace;
16 and might reconcile them both in one body unto God through the cross, having slain the enmity thereby:
17 and he came and preached peace to you that were far off, and peace to them that were nigh:
18 for through him we both have our access in one Spirit unto the Father.
19 So then ye are no more strangers and sojourners, but ye are fellow-citizens with the saints, and of the household of God,
20 being built upon the foundation of the apostles and prophets, Christ Jesus himself being the chief corner stone;
21 in whom each several building, fitly framed together, groweth into a holy temple in the Lord;
22 in whom ye also are builded together for a habitation of God in the Spirit.

Galatians 3
28 There can be neither Jew nor Greek, there can be neither bond nor free, there can be no male and female; for ye all are one man in Christ Jesus.

And let’s not forget that Rahab (a Canaanite) can be found in the genealogy of Christ (Matthew 1) as the wife of Salmon (an Israelite.

Ruth (a Moabitess) also married an Israelite (either Mahlon or Kilion).

I'm sure you can find these verses in whichever version you are using.


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thats the way to do it- fight scripture with scripture.  one important observation- heaven will be a melting pot of races.  there is no white heaven, black heaven, chinese heaven, etc.  there is just heaven.  however, unworthy servant seems to be reacting to a very dangerous trend in the world-pluralism.  a melting pot of religion is not ok.  what i mean by that is this- christians should NOT compromise their beliefs in order that non-Christians will feel accepted.  jesus said "i am the way, the truth, and the light. noone can come to the Father except through me." he is the only way, and anyone who teaches differently is a false teacher who is leading the flock astray. but remember, im talking about religion, not race.
 


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I concur... the only biblical warning against intermarrying (under the New Covenant) was being unequally yolked with an unbeliever (and under the Old Covenant the warnings were linked to the religions of the other nations, not necessarily the nations themselves.  there were provisions for people of other nations to become of the Jewish faith.  there was no law against marrying Jewish faith/alternate "race" even under the old law).


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Quote from mythrandir at 12:47 AM on April 20, 2006 :
thats the way to do it- fight scripture with scripture.  one important observation- heaven will be a melting pot of races.  there is no white heaven, black heaven, chinese heaven, etc.  there is just heaven.


hahahahaaa another unsubstantiated claim. . .


Quote from mythrandir at 12:47 AM on April 20, 2006 : however, unworthy servant seems to be reacting to a very dangerous trend in the world-pluralism.  a melting pot of religion is not ok.  what i mean by that is this- christians should NOT compromise their beliefs in order that non-Christians will feel accepted.  jesus said "i am the way, the truth, and the light. noone can come to the Father except through me." he is the only way, and anyone who teaches differently is a false teacher who is leading the flock astray. but remember, im talking about religion, not race.


hahahahahaa sounds like cult member of the "Christian" zionists spewing. . . .which practices the melting pot of religion. . . .

Grace Halsell, who regards the movement as a cult, asks: “What is the message of the Christian Zionist? Simply stated it is this: every act taken by Israel is orchestrated by God, and should be condoned, supported, and even praised by the rest of us.' (17)

Stephen Sizer, “Christian Zionism: Road-map to Armageddon?” (Leicester: 2004), Page 21.

The Middle East Council of Churches (MECC), drawing together the historic as well as evangelical churches of the Holy Land, rejects, Christian Zionism 'as representing a heretical interpretation of Holy Scriptures',(19) while John Stott has described it as 'biblical anathema'. (20)

Stephen Sizer, “Christian Zionism: Road-map to Armageddon?” (Leicester: 2004), Page 22.


He [Edward Irving (1792-1834)]insisted that missionary work especially in Southern Europe, where the Continental Society concentrated its ministry, was futile because God's judgment was about to fall on the lands of the former Roman Empire who would align themselves with the Antichrist. Some walked out of the meeting in protest while the leaders of the society accused Irving of undermining their ministry. (52)

Stephen Sizer, “Christian Zionism: Road-map to Armageddon?” (Leicester: 2004), Page 42.

[Benjamin] Newton eventually came to recognize Darby's elevation of Israel above the church as heresy, and repudiated the idea that the Jews could be blessed apart from the faith in Jesus Christ. It was 'virtually to say there are two kinds of Christianity, two Gospels, two ways, and two ends of salvation'.(96)

Stephen Sizer, Christian Zionism: Road-map to Armageddon? (Leicester: 2004) p. 53.

While Calvin and Luther understood the word “Israel” in Romans 11:25 to refer to the church of Jewish and Gentile believers, as had the Roman Catholic Church, Theodore Beza and Martin Bucer preferred to apply the word to unbelieving Jews and Judaism. The various editors of the Geneva Bible, influenced both by Calvin and Beza, increasingly favoured this interpretation. In the 1557 and 1560 editions, a short note on Romans 11 defined 'Israel' as the 'nation of the Jews'. In later editions, this was amplified to suggest a future conversion of the whole nation of the Jews, though not everyone particularly, shall be joined to the church of Christ.'(4) Through the notes accompanying this translation, which became the most widely read translation in England and Scotland prior to the Authorized Version of 1611, together with the writings of Puritans such as William Perkins and Hugh Broughton, the idea of the conversion of the Jewish people spread in Britain and the American Colonies. (5)

Stephen Sizer, “Christian Zionism: Road-map to Armageddon?” (Leicester: 2004), Page 27-28.

It is clear that Jesus was often misunderstood by those who took his words too literally. John's Gospel contains several instances. For example after he had cleansed the temple and was asked by the Pharisees for a sign, Jesus replied, 'Destroy this temple and I will raise it again in three days' (John 2:19). They thought he meant their temple, but Jesus does not correct their error. In the next few chapters, Nicodemus wonders how he can enter his mother's womb again (John 3:4), the Samaritan woman believes Jesus is offering her water on tap (4:15), and the religious leaders fear Jesus is advocating cannibalism by insisting they must eat his body and drink his blood (6:51-52). It is ironic therefore, that one of the most common mistakes made by people in the Gospels, who erroneously deduced a literal interpretation when Jesus intended a spiritual one is repeated today.

Stephen Sizer, “Christian Zionism: Road-map to Armageddon?” (Leicester: 2004), Page 123.







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there was no law against marrying Jewish faith/alternate "race" even under the old law).


Hahahahaa obvious there is "no law" when you ignore the verses I posted which contradict what you said. . . more stacking the deck. . .. .go figure. . .

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alright unworthy servant, you like totally misread my post.  i said was talking AGAINST the "melting pot of religion", not for it!  for the record, im also an amillennialist.  what race do you think is superior and why?
 


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Quote from EMyers at 09:38 AM on April 20, 2006 :
there was no law against marrying Jewish faith/alternate "race" even under the old law).




Hahahahaa obvious there is "no law" when you ignore the verses I posted which contradict what you said. . . more stacking the deck. . .. .go figure. . .



And yet you completely ignore the substantial evidence that I posted directly from the Bible.  Guess your Grand Dragon tore those pages out of his copy.  Go buy a new, unaltered copy and read the verses I listed.  You will find them there.  


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Quote from EMyers at 3:49 PM on April 21, 2006 :
Quote from EMyers at 09:38 AM on April 20, 2006 :
there was no law against marrying Jewish faith/alternate "race" even under the old law).
Hahahahaa obvious there is "no law" when you ignore the verses I posted which contradict what you said. . . more stacking the deck. . .. .go figure. . .

And yet you completely ignore the substantial evidence that I posted directly from the Bible.  Guess your Grand Dragon tore those pages out of his copy.  Go buy a new, unaltered copy and read the verses I listed.  You will find them there.  


Hahahahahaha Granfalloon technique. . . .and I don't need to ignore your out context verses. . as the verses are correct. . . as they should be . . . . but your doctrine manual use of them is not. . . .which is why your doctrinal manual is a cultic "Christian Zionist" manual. . . which matches the melting pot propaganda. . . .all an invention. . . .literalist cult. . . .hahahahaaaa

While Calvin and Luther understood the word “Israel” in Romans 11:25 to refer to the church of Jewish and Gentile believers, as had the Roman Catholic Church, Theodore Beza and Martin Bucer preferred to apply the word to unbelieving Jews and Judaism. The various editors of the Geneva Bible, influenced both by Calvin and Beza, increasingly favoured this interpretation. In the 1557 and 1560 editions, a short note on Romans 11 defined 'Israel' as the 'nation of the Jews'. In later editions, this was amplified to suggest a future conversion of the whole nation of the Jews, though not everyone particularly, shall be joined to the church of Christ.'(4) Through the notes accompanying this translation, which became the most widely read translation in England and Scotland prior to the Authorized Version of 1611, together with the writings of Puritans such as William Perkins and Hugh Broughton, the idea of the conversion of the Jewish people spread in Britain and the American Colonies. (5)

Stephen Sizer, “Christian Zionism: Road-map to Armageddon?” (Leicester: 2004), Page 27-28.

It is clear that Jesus was often misunderstood by those who took his words too literally. John's Gospel contains several instances. For example after he had cleansed the temple and was asked by the Pharisees for a sign, Jesus replied, 'Destroy this temple and I will raise it again in three days' (John 2:19). They thought he meant their temple, but Jesus does not correct their error. In the next few chapters, Nicodemus wonders how he can enter his mother's womb again (John 3:4), the Samaritan woman believes Jesus is offering her water on tap (4:15), and the religious leaders fear Jesus is advocating cannibalism by insisting they must eat his body and drink his blood (6:51-52). It is ironic therefore, that one of the most common mistakes made by people in the Gospels, who erroneously deduced a literal interpretation when Jesus intended a spiritual one is repeated today.

Stephen Sizer, “Christian Zionism: Road-map to Armageddon?” (Leicester: 2004), Page 123.





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Quote from mythrandir at 3:11 PM on April 21, 2006 :
alright unworthy servant, you like totally misread my post.  i said was talking AGAINST the "melting pot of religion", not for it!  for the record, im also an amillennialist.  what race do you think is superior and why?


amillennialist who has brought the melting pot into the Church which is why you would allow women or homo pastors, interracial marriage. . .aka humanism into the Church which would have never been considered prior to the melting pot hahaha... whichis why the melting pot had to be shoved down people throats with "equal rights" laws. . . . .hahahahahaaaa

“Ours must be a leadership democracy administered by the intelligent minority who know how to regiment and guide the masses. Is this government by propaganda? Call it, if you prefer, government by education.”

Edward Bernays, “Propaganda” (Brooklyn: Copyright 1928/ ReCopyrighted 2005), page 127-128.

“The conscious and intelligent manipulation of the organized habits and opinions of the masses is an important element in democratic society. Those who manipulate this unseen mechanism of society constitute an invisible government which is the true ruling power of our country.”

Edward Bernays, “Propaganda” (Brooklyn: Copyright 1928/ ReCopyrighted 2005), page 37.
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Hahahahahaha Granfalloon technique. . . .and I don't need to ignore your out context verses. . as the verses are correct. . . as they should be . . . . but your doctrine manual use of them is not. . . .which is why your doctrinal manual is a cultic "Christian Zionist" manual. . . which matches the melting pot propaganda. . . .all an invention. . . .literalist cult. . . .hahahahaaaa

While Calvin and Luther understood the word “Israel” in Romans 11:25 to refer to the church of Jewish and Gentile believers, as had the Roman Catholic Church, Theodore Beza and Martin Bucer preferred to apply the word to unbelieving Jews and Judaism. The various editors of the Geneva Bible, influenced both by Calvin and Beza, increasingly favoured this interpretation. In the 1557 and 1560 editions, a short note on Romans 11 defined 'Israel' as the 'nation of the Jews'. In later editions, this was amplified to suggest a future conversion of the whole nation of the Jews, though not everyone particularly, shall be joined to the church of Christ.'(4) Through the notes accompanying this translation, which became the most widely read translation in England and Scotland prior to the Authorized Version of 1611, together with the writings of Puritans such as William Perkins and Hugh Broughton, the idea of the conversion of the Jewish people spread in Britain and the American Colonies. (5)

Stephen Sizer, “Christian Zionism: Road-map to Armageddon?” (Leicester: 2004), Page 27-28.

It is clear that Jesus was often misunderstood by those who took his words too literally. John's Gospel contains several instances. For example after he had cleansed the temple and was asked by the Pharisees for a sign, Jesus replied, 'Destroy this temple and I will raise it again in three days' (John 2:19). They thought he meant their temple, but Jesus does not correct their error. In the next few chapters, Nicodemus wonders how he can enter his mother's womb again (John 3:4), the Samaritan woman believes Jesus is offering her water on tap (4:15), and the religious leaders fear Jesus is advocating cannibalism by insisting they must eat his body and drink his blood (6:51-52). It is ironic therefore, that one of the most common mistakes made by people in the Gospels, who erroneously deduced a literal interpretation when Jesus intended a spiritual one is repeated today.



Now that's funny, I didn't even quote Romans 11:25.  Secondly, I have no manual.  I have the Bible (you should really learn Greek and Hebrew so you wouldn't be beholden to the English versions).  And come to think of it, what in the world does Romans 11:25 have to do AT ALL with interracial marriage?  As for your comments to mythandir, no pastor can be a homosexual (poimhvn, the greek word refers to a shepherd, a title given to elders in the scriptures) as pastors (elders) must be the husbands of one wife who "rules his own house well".  Ergo, women can't be pastors either.  Where do you get your ideas?  That being said, you still have not responded to ANY of the verses that I actually posted, nor have you provided ANY verses that strictly prohibit interracial marriage.  Even in the Old Testament (and I gave you examples) there was no prohibition against interracial marriage when both were of the Jewish FAITH.  There is no prohibition in the New Testament as long as both are of the Christian faith.  The Bible couldn't make it any clearer.  Go wash your sheets.


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Quote from EMyers at 3:49 PM on April 22, 2006 :
Now that's funny, I didn't even quote Romans 11:25.  Secondly, I have no manual.  


Yeah that is funny since I don't remember saying you did. . .I said your cult did. . . .and you cult has the manual which they spewed into your brain and now you are spewing here. . . .try to keep up. . . .

Quote from EMyers at 3:49 PM on April 22, 2006 :
I have the Bible (you should really learn Greek and Hebrew so you wouldn't be beholden to the English versions).  And come to think of it, what in the world does Romans 11:25 have to do AT ALL with interracial marriage?


Yeah of course it does. . .since calling the cursed Godless antichrist jews is part of "equal rights" and the melting pot propaganda. . . .

Quote from EMyers at 3:49 PM on April 22, 2006 :
As for your comments to mythandir, no pastor can be a homosexual (poimhvn, the greek word refers to a shepherd, a title given to elders in the scriptures) as pastors (elders) must be the husbands of one wife who "rules his own house well".  Ergo, women can't be pastors either.  Where do you get your ideas?


From all the chiurches that are installing homos and women as pastors. . .pull your head out of the ground once in awhile.  . .let some fresh air and reality in. . .


Quote from EMyers at 3:49 PM on April 22, 2006 :
 That being said, you still have not responded to ANY of the verses that I actually posted, nor have you provided ANY verses that strictly prohibit interracial marriage.  Even in the Old Testament (and I gave you examples) there was no prohibition against interracial marriage when both were of the Jewish FAITH.  There is no prohibition in the New Testament as long as both are of the Christian faith.  The Bible couldn't make it any clearer.  Go wash your sheets.


Sure I responded as your vomit wasn't taught prior to the
melting pot propaganda you love so much. . .pull your head out of the wash bucket. . . obviously your limited intelligence can't go past the date of the civil rights movement. . .. .




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Again, you provide no scripture to back up your unsubstantiated claims and have no response to the scriptures provided which disprove your personal beliefs.  Thank you for sharing the hollowness of your faith.

P.S.  I especially like your assertion that the scripture was not taught before the melting pot propoganda.  That's funny.  Guess the bible was written in the last couple hundred years.  What a hoot.


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Romans 12:9-18, "Love must be sincere. Hate what is evil; cling to what is good. Be devoted to one another in brotherly love. Honor one another above yourselves...

   Bless those who persecute you; bless and do not curse. Rejoice with those who rejoice; mourn with those who mourn. Live in harmony with one another. Do not be proud, but be willing to associate with people of low position. Do not be conceited.

   Do not repay anyone evil for evil. Be careful to do what is right in the eyes of everybody. If it is possible, as far as it depends on you, live at peace with everyone."

i seriously think you guys should think about this for a while.

unworthy servant, i am totally opposed to homosexuals or women as pastors.  as i said before, i am NOT pluralistic.  christians should NEVER compromise their beliefs to accomodate people of other religions.  please read my post carefully.
 


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Again, you doom your own words...

Exhibit A

but your doctrine manual

and B

which is why your doctrinal manual

which you turn around and lie about.... C

I said your cult did. . . .and you cult has the manual

Twice you call it my manual and when I say I don't have one you said you never said I had one you said my cult did.  You really shouldn't lie where it can be verified.  You should also look up the word cult...

A religion or religious sect generally considered to be extremist or false, with its followers often living in an unconventional manner under the guidance of an authoritarian, charismatic leader.

Christians have no authoritarian, charismatic leader.  They follow the Bible.


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Quote from EMyers at 10:09 AM on April 23, 2006 :Again, you provide no scripture to back up your unsubstantiated claims and have no response to the scriptures provided which disprove your personal beliefs.  Thank you for sharing the hollowness of your faith. P.S.  I especially like your assertion that the scripture was not taught before the melting pot propoganda.  That's funny.  Guess the bible was written in the last couple hundred years.  What a hoot.


hey he learned a new word. . .too bad he doesn't know how to uses it as he is the one with the unsubstantiated opinions. . . since Shamgar has the verses which back up his facts and the cult (you and your cult clan) don't. . . obvioulsy you should have your dog stop reading thinking for you since your wild accussations as are "flea-bitten". . . .


Quote from EMyers at 5:03 PM on April 24, 2006 :
Again, you doom your own words...
Exhibit A
but your doctrine manual
and B
which is why your doctrinal manual
which you turn around and lie about.... C
I said your cult did. . . .and you cult has the manual

Twice you call it my manual and when I say I don't have one you said you never said I had one you said my cult did.  You really shouldn't lie where it can be verified.  You should also look up the word cult...


Oh you wrote your own doctrinal manual for your church cult?. . I'll bet your cult was happy that you did that. . . .

Quote from EMyers at 5:03 PM on April 24, 2006 :
A religion or religious sect generally considered to be extremist or false, with its followers often living in an unconventional manner under the guidance of an authoritarian, charismatic leader.

Christians have no authoritarian, charismatic leader.  They follow the Bible.


Yeah that describes your cult to a "T". . . . .pseudo Christans. . .



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Quote from mythrandir at 3:00 PM on April 23, 2006 : christians should NEVER compromise their beliefs to accomodate people of other religions.  please read my post carefully.


hahahahahaa you do it all the time as it is called "tolerance". . which is why you would marry homos, half breeds and mixed races. . . . and why your church wouldn't kick homos out of the church. . .you practice the teaching in your church which came from Caesar. . .hahahaaa





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hey he learned a new word. . .too bad he doesn't know how to uses it as he is the one with the unsubstantiated opinions. . . since Shamgar has the verses which back up his facts and the cult (you and your cult clan) don't. . . obvioulsy you should have your dog stop reading thinking for you since your wild accussations as are "flea-bitten". . . .


Actually, I do "know how to uses it".  I substantiated my opinions with scripture.  You've supplied absolutely no basis for your opinions.  Shamgar?  What does an Old Testament judge have to do with this discussion?  Please supply your "substantiation" and we will be happy to discuss it.  


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Quote from unworthy servant at 1:02 PM on April 28, 2006 :
Quote from mythrandir at 3:00 PM on April 23, 2006 : christians should NEVER compromise their beliefs to accomodate people of other religions.  please read my post carefully.


hahahahahaa you do it all the time as it is called "tolerance". . which is why you would marry homos, half breeds and mixed races. . . . and why your church wouldn't kick homos out of the church. . .you practice the teaching in your church which came from Caesar. . .hahahaaa






you could either 1) be talking about my personal beliefs or 2) be talking about my denomination's beliefs.

1) ill say it again and say it however often you accuse me of it- the Bible clearly is opposed to homosexuality and so am I.  do i have to PROVE what i believe?

2) did i tell you what denomination i am in?  no! then how do you know?
 


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whats a half breed?
 


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just for clarification, do you belive that Christians should seperate from non-Christians and form their own society?  or do you belive that every ethnic groups should seperate themselves from other ethnic groups and form their own society?
 


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Actually, I do "know how to uses it".  I substantiated my opinions with scripture.  You've supplied absolutely no basis for your opinions.  Shamgar?  What does an Old Testament judge have to do with this discussion?  Please supply your "substantiation" and we will be happy to discuss it.  


hahahahhaaa you think you know how to use it. . .go figure. . . as your out of context Scriptures have not refuted my Scriptures. . . .which make your fractured fairy tale from your doctrinal manual. . .just that . . . . a fractured fairy tale. . . now you can look up those words also. . .and try to apply them . . . but from your past posts that will be another failure. . . .




(Edited by unworthy servant 5/14/2006 at 09:39 AM).

(Edited by unworthy servant 5/14/2006 at 09:41 AM).


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Again, you have provided no scriptures against interracial marriage.  At best, you have provided scriptures against inter-national marriage.  Israel was told not to mix with other NATIONS, not other RACES.  Hence, I suppose you could make a weak argument against Americans marrying Frenchies or Germans, but have absolutely no argument against a WHITE (I'm not CAUCASIAN ), American marrying a BLACK (got reamed once for using the term African-American as the man told me he had never been to Africa in his life, so I gave up being PC) American or a HISPANIC American, what have you.  Please provide ONE (only one is needed) Scripture categorically prohibiting a Christian of one race from marrying a Christian of another race.  I'm sure you have one handy.  Anxiously awaiting.




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Quote from EMyers at 10:12 AM on May 14, 2006 :
Again, you have provided no scriptures against interracial marriage.


Ah we have the blind man EMyers saying "I see" again. . . . . as I have provided many. . . but you have provided none which command interracial marriage. . . .go figure. . . .




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Well duh.  We are not commanded to marry anyone imparticular (other than not being unequally yolked with an unbeliever).  Your point is that you say we are commanded to NOT marry people of another RACE.  Yet you have absolutely NO biblical proof.  We are all still anxiously awaiting even one shred of BIBLICAL PROOF stating that people of one RACE (i.e. Caucasians, etc.) can not marry people of another RACE.  You are making unsubstantiated claims.  Come on now, just one tiny shred of evidence.  That's all we want.  Name just one.  You keep saying you provided many.  I've read your entire post and have not found a single RACE related scripture.  Where is it?  Enlighten us.


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