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First off, white people made america great. White men from Europe risked their lives, property and families to create a free nation. Blacks, mexicans, indians, arabs had nothing to do with it, and they have never even tried to the same when they had the chance. Now we are being flooded with 3rd worlders who are being told by idiot liberals like Ray that they need not change their ways for us.

If the US becomes more like Mexico, or Saudi Arabia or anywhere else, it will no longer be the place it can be, and that would be a loss for the world. They would work right along with liberals to dismantle our constitutional protections. America needs to be governed by the constitution, not the whims of dog-eaters and camel lovers. We need more white people who respect life and property.

If Muslim rules indicated that women are the property of the men, should Florida law respect that too? They can marry 4 women and divorce them by saying "I divorce you" 3 times. Then the women is out on the street with nothing. If she is raped, without 4 male muslim witnesses on her side, she will be killed for adultry. Should we respect that? Is that "diversity" good for America?Muslims allow men to marry 9 y/o girls, so should we respect that? Or should we make muslims who come to the US adapt to our ways?

Think about this, if you let ragheads hide their faces on drivers licsences, how can you require anyone to get their picture taken?

BTW, the florida woman is a US white girl who converted.

If in America, live like an American. Like we used to be before the immigration act of '68 that turned us into a third world wann-be.

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Posts: 0 | Posted: 10:08 PM on August 10, 2002 | IP
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Thank you for that xenophobic rant that made absolutly no sense whatsoever. Rather than take the easy way out and label you the racist that you undoubtedly are, I will actually rebut your arguments (and I use the term loosely), with logic, a specimen you probably have never seen.

1)"First off, white people made america great. White men from Europe risked their lives, property and families to create a free nation."

To start with, yes. What you fail to recognize is that these eastern european nations and many of the immigrants from them were as poor as the 3rd world countries you seem to despise. It was precisely the fact that they were poor and had nothing to lose that drove them to make this country what it is today. Race was irrelevant. But beyond that, minority leaders have had great impact on our society. MLK, Cesar Chavez, and Booker T. Washington just to name a few. It is precisely the diversity of our citizenship that gives America an edge over such homogenus nations as Japan or Saudi Arabia, which have the type of anti-immigration policies you espose. Oh and Native Americans aren't immigrants.

2)"If the US becomes more like Mexico, or Saudi Arabia or anywhere else, it will no longer be the place it can be, and that would be a loss for the world. They would work right along with liberals to dismantle our constitutional protections."

First of all, the idea of Saudi's and Liberal's working togther on anything is laughable at best. Need I remind you that Saudi Arabia is one of the most conservative countries in the world? But second, our constitutional protections are made to protect everyone, not just WASP's. As a general rule, the "White men who respect rights and property" are the same ones who put White in the rights catagory and blacks in the property one.

3)If Muslim rules indicated that women are the property of the men, should Florida law respect that too? They can marry 4 women and divorce them by saying "I divorce you" 3 times. Then the women is out on the street with nothing. If she is raped, without 4 male muslim witnesses on her side, she will be killed for adultry.

No one is advocating this, because America is ruled by secular, not religious law. And its a good thing too, because Christian law would still have us owning slaves and stoning or excommunicated homosexuals. If anything, it is a conservative position to move us away from secular protections and into a conservative theocracy.

I doubt this will influence you in the slightest, but if you have any intellectual honesty then hopefully you'll read this post with an open mind. Have a nice day !


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Posts: 789 | Posted: 9:35 PM on August 14, 2002 | IP
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your #1 dsadevil has shown how ignorant we all are, we did not make america great, the native americans did not either, it was the english, the indians were more or less used to destroy their own land as they wer cheated and so forth... the english people founded the american government and even after they were officially americans they some still paid taxes to the british, and #2 i would not agree to it being a loss, if america was to be come like mexico and saudi arabia other countries would gain the chance to build a new kingdom or better government than ours...but through our economy strangulation on the other countries we have made it appear as if they are poor which most arent, isreal doesnt need the money, but america continuously gave it money so it eventually became weaker as it lived and grew off of our money,
#3 that is not entirely true, many of our laws are based off of the 10 cammandments with some language changed, like ye shall not stealeth from thou neghbor was changed to do not steal, and thouh shalt not murder or commit adultry was changed to no killing or raping, and if not for the many differnet races and religions that now reside in america, we dont truely have religous laws
 


Posts: 83 | Posted: 9:15 PM on August 31, 2002 | IP
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How exactly am I ignorant? I never claimed that native american's led us to greatness. But it is every bit as ignorant to say the english did. America did not rise to world power status until Post WWI, I.E., after the great immigration wave. It was these immigrants drive that pushed America forward, not a bunch of fat old men who could only brag about their bloodlines. Was Andrew Carnegie English? No he was scottish. Was he born rich? No dirt poor. It has always been the desperate that drive a civilization, one way or another, and after we won the Revolutionary war the former brits ceased to be desperate.
On the other hand your #2 is ignorant. If America became Saudi Arabia (and thus presumbly fell from power), who would take our place? Undoubtedly a) Europe or b) China. Neither one I'm sure appeals to you. But where do you get the idea that most countries aren't really poor. Obviously I've been decieved, for I was under the impression (apparently mistaken) that STARVATION was a pretty good litmus test for "poor." But apparently not, and it seems the entire continent of Africa is doing ok after all. phew.
Finally, you say that many of our laws are based off religion. True, but we didn't adapt them strictly BECAUSE they were religious, but rather because they made excellent sense. Religion has wonderful things to offer to the world, and our forefathers recognized this. They also recognized that religion mixed with government is one of the most dangerous and volatile mixes in the world, and made sure to keep them seperate. If we didn't do that, we'd be Europe during the Crusades, or the Taliban.


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Posts: 789 | Posted: 01:20 AM on September 1, 2002 | IP
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true but i did not call you ignoratn i was talking about the person above, being hungry does not prove that a country is poor because america has many hungry, and we are the richest county with 3.5 trillion dollars, africa is actually doing ok,but the government does not recycle the money back into the people and so the people have almost no money and the government has much,true if we did combine religion with government we would become a semi-taliban and such, many of my fellows look at treligion as a brain washing, look at the crusades and it shows you how much pwoer a "pieous" person had back then and now, if the pop would say to launch a holy war and threatened the president that he would go to hell if he did not attack and convince the government would he go along with the plan to launch the "holy" war?!
 


Posts: 83 | Posted: 8:46 PM on September 1, 2002 | IP
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the ignorant comment was a misinterpretation on my part. I can agree with you that Africa is poor in part due to the immense corruption of its leaders. That doesn't change the fact that its poor. The reason Africa is poor and the US is not is that while most of Africa is starving/dying of disease, only a small portion of America. Those in America who are dying of diseases and cannot pay for a cure, or are starving, are poor too, but unlike Africa this is not typical of a nation as a whole. Oh, and the US economy is approaching $10 trillion/year (go us!)


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Posts: 789 | Posted: 11:47 PM on September 1, 2002 | IP
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You seem to dislike the United States, why don't you just move out.


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Posts: 372 | Posted: 6:43 PM on September 2, 2002 | IP
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Disliking US policies, and disliking the US itself are very seperate things (though the "uber-patriots" among us often get them confused). I have serious issues with many US policies, foreign and domestic. But how can I change them if I move away? I would say I stay here because I love my country so much I am willing to endure the discomfort I have with US policies in the hope that someday I can change them for the better.


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Posts: 789 | Posted: 8:57 PM on September 2, 2002 | IP
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Dsadevil is right, US sux.  We hav 'freedom' but we pay to live in a house.  Communism rox!


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Posts: 438 | Posted: 10:41 AM on September 25, 2002 | IP
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exxoss, Communism may be a wonderful theory, but since it doesn't work (USSR, China, Cuba, etc.) I'd much prefer a beurocratic communism that allows immigrants in than a communist-turned-dictatorship regime.
 


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This goes out to the chicken s*** guest. How dare you say that the Mexicans, Indians, and Blacks had nothing to do with the success of this country. That shows how much of a racist a*** you are. Who do you think works in the California fields picking the vegetables for $5.50 and hour?? not the whites, is the Mexicans. Who do you think were the front line during desert storm?? The Blacks. And last but not least, who do you think fed your so called Europeans when they arrive to this nation, it was the Native Americans.
 


Posts: 0 | Posted: 12:41 PM on January 19, 2003 | IP
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exactly. this country was built on the backs of slaves and the poor.


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Posts: 971 | Posted: 2:35 PM on January 19, 2003 | IP
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guest, if you were a mexican or from some other 3rd world country and you had the opportunity to come to america and get a job, you know you would
i think us americans should consider ourselves lucky to be living in a place with so much opportunity and not hate the people who are less fortunate and trying to feed their families


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Posts: 48 | Posted: 12:40 PM on January 21, 2003 | IP
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by the way that last post was for the guest at the top


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Posts: 48 | Posted: 12:42 PM on January 21, 2003 | IP
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The immigration policy in this country is absolutely sucidal.  No where, absolutely no where else do they invite all the poor, uneducated, angry, and unfortunate to live here.  We have enough of our own poor and uneducated to take care off.  We should robbing other countries of thier wealthy and educated.

Have money?  Sure just load up as many suitcases you have with cash and bring it over?

Your a doctor?  A high tech inventor?  Sure come on over and cure the sick and start a business.

That is what we should really be doing.
 


Posts: 0 | Posted: 3:48 PM on January 21, 2003 | IP
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Blacks were not the only people who fought oon the frontlines during desert strom and also they didn't help make this country.  Whites brought them over, educated them, and did make them work as slaves (which helped but this country could have survived without slaves.)  If you don't believe this answer this...name ONE success non-poor black-ran country that hasn't had white man suuport.  All blacks countries are poor aid-ridden places with low literacy rates.  If white man hadn't educated blacks they'd still be over in Africa dancing and hunting lions with spears.  All I can say on the immigration issue is- STOP THE INVASION!!!!


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Posts: 31 | Posted: 6:29 PM on June 20, 2003 | IP
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first of all for jared you say that if it wasent for the whites bringing the africans over they will still be hunting lions well for your information  you guys were the one taking the af ricans emeralds and rubies and dimonds so your the poor ones and the stealers who su nk so low to steal non-whites land and even though its in the past it can shape the future if man kind allows it by ignorant foolish people who dont have no life as yourself man..grow up you hatin on non-whites because we had the fertile lands and all the wealth in the world till you stole em all!
 


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i think you have all missed the point i live in great britain (england to all you yanks) we work for a living.  people who come to our countries who live off our social security because the  country they turned up from wasnt good enough but then bitch about how we treat them should i d0 ont know go back the reason we are (comfotable) rich is because we dont try to kill each other or invade our neighbour we just get on with our lives .  in answer to the post about us being rich after ww1 can i remind you that the reason you are rich is because during the 2nd WW the british fought alone for nearly two years selling all our assets to keeps the nazis (and all the other bad people at bay) and dont give me any s##t about lend lease we were fighting and dieing well before that

all that a side britain and america for ever f##k europe asia and the middle east we are better than you except it or get poor,invaded or nuked
 


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