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I didn't mean section all on Solomon, I just meant some paragraph or something about him watching the sun, and the way it was described makes it clear the author believed the sun revolved around the earth. and there's no reason to insult my friend. He's a devout christian (sorta). anyways, my argument has never been based on a line-by-line critique of the Bible, it has been 1. there is no reason to believe in a Christian God, and 2. even if you do, Christian doctrine on gays should not be the deciding factor in law about gays in America. Sakata, you never answered my point about your teleological argument for God.


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Song of Solomon?  After Psalms...?


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I honestly have no idea. I read the whole Bible once for an AP English Class in high school, but really just remember JOB and ECCLESIASTES (probably spelled wrong), which were my favorite. i can't consult one right now, cause I'm in China and it will be hard to find. maybe somebody will know...heck, my friend could be wrong. he's not an authority.


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Sakata:  The reason all the quotes are from the old testament is because that is the only place that homosexuality is addressed in the bible.  And that is the ones the right wing homophopes always use to prove their position.  If you think the part of Leviticus about homosexuality being an abomination is true, then surely you must believe the rest of the same book of the bible and follow its directions .  If not, isn't that pretty hypocritical?

You are the one who said God's word was true and unchanging, or have you now decided it not, or do you think the old testament is not the word of God?
 


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I believe that the Old Testament Laws are essential to understanding people's reasoning and motivation, very important.  But we can't go around sacrificing two doves and a ram everytime we touch a woman who's in her menstraul cycle.  


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whoah! That's kinda yucky...


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Posts: 292 | Posted: 09:54 AM on October 22, 2002 | IP
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wait wait wait. question from someone who is totally unfamiliar with how the new and old testament relate. In Christianity, was the old testament "overturned" by the new testament (in that in no longer applies at all)? Or does the new merely supersede the old, as in if a new law is mentioned, then the old one no longer applies, but if nothing new is mentioned then the old law still applies?

If the first is true, then since Leviticus is "overturned" why would that specific passage remain true? And if the second is true, doesn't "guest's" (who really should register) argument still apply, as it deals with things not mentioned in the new testament?
As a side note, if the bible needs to be modified at some time (by a "new testament") doesn't that prove right there that God is not infallable? otherwise, why wouldn't he have just put the new stuff in the first version? Why did he need a correction, or even clarification if he is that perfect?


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Fundamentalist Christianity has two main aspects in America today.  Gaining political power to force an agenda of censorship and dogmatic religious intolerance upon the rest of us (the religious right) and, that part of it best expressed as "a personal relationship with Jesus"(meaning the point of Christianity is for the individual to gain everlasting life).  Both of these forms of selfishness may have become to be the basis of Christianity in America today but miss the central point of what Jesus taught.

Jesus was about changing human behavior.  The story of the New Testament is not about the man, but the message of the man, a new way of thinking and a new way of acting.  He tried to get men to put the hate, revenge and violence of the past behind them and replace it with love, peace and compassion.  He tried to get each of us to stop the violent circle of vengeance by refusing to participate in it.  To put away the prejudices and replace them with love for all men as brothers.  Not only did he fail, but he got nailed to a cross for his efforts.  And it's a very good bet that if he came back today with that same message most fundamentalists would be leading the pack with a hammer and a box of spikes.

Christianity should not be some preacher in a $500 suit, with diamonds and gold sparkling, spitting out intolerant fascist rhetoric to get miserable people to sent them their money.  Neither should Christianity be represented by those unlikable people who get in our faces telling us how evil and hell bent we are.  Nor should Christianity be some right-wing political movement based on selfishness, greed, intolerance and bigotry.  But that is what it has become.

What Christianity was intended to be was  shot to try and arrive at changing human nature by replacing hate with love, vengeance with forgiveness, violence with mercy, intolerance with understanding; making not only the individual better in lieu of his own redemption, but more importantly, to make the world a better place to live for everyone.  And whether todays fundamentalist christians wish to accept it or not, that includes atheists, agnostics, non-christians, homosexuals, immigrants, foreigner, etc.,etc.,etc.
 


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wow.  Register.  


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dsa,
A lot of these laws were not God's.  They were the laws made for and by the Jewish people.  And some were wrong, those of which Jesus explicitly pointed out.  They were extremely complex and complicated so he shortened them to 2.


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very good point, guest


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Posts: 134 | Posted: 12:20 PM on October 23, 2002 | IP
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isnt that stereo typing a christian and christianity. if i where to say that blacks are all criminals bc so many blacks commit crime then yall would outrage and call me a racist. but isnt saying that christians are like that and bigoted a stereo type of what is perceived to be by mainstream media and non christians. at least they admit that they make mistakes and try to do what they believe to be right.


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He's stating an obvious fact.  Christianity as an organization is severely corrupted.  It's a religion, religion concerns man, and man is corruptable.  Go guest.  Register.


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no it is not a fact but rather s stereo type or an assumption. if it is a fact then back it up somehow


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Posts: 451 | Posted: 12:47 PM on October 23, 2002 | IP
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two things. 1) It's a bit odd to say that "these laws came from God, these were written by man" when both sets of laws at least claim to have divine roots. Theoritcally, the entire old testament was revealed to moses at mt. sinai, and that is the tanach we have today. There is no way to see "oh these old ones were made by man, but these ones we've got here are divine truth."
2) In terms of the stereotyping of christianity, I would hold that he was attacking the conservative christian groups which are the ones to claim the term "christian" in politics. You don't see any moderates running on "christian" policies, they run on issues not religion. Admittedly he should have clarified. And it is true that it is a generalization. But the official position of many conservative christian groups is frighteningly close to what guest enumerated.


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why bother generalizing? Madbilly, what do YOU think of homosexuality? then we can find out at least if ONE Christian is a bigot or not?


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Posts: 292 | Posted: 11:13 PM on October 23, 2002 | IP
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Soo, if he disagrees he's a bigot, but if he agrees than he is a hypocrite, so what gives?


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Posts: 293 | Posted: 10:13 PM on October 24, 2002 | IP
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to be honestl i i try to avoid getting asked questions like that alex. i have never met a homosexual befor in my life. i guess i would answer that by saying that i dissaprove of homosexuality morally, but i have nothing against them personally. its funny bc i have really never thought on the topic of what i think about homosexuals and since it never crossed my mind i really never thought anything bad or good.


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How can you have nothing against them personally but have something against them morally? This isn't like criticizing someone for eating too much chocolate. Do you also not have anything personal against murderers?
and sakata, it's not my fault being Christian means having crappy choices.


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no you can have something against someone morally not personally. I dont agree with there sexuality but i am not going to say anything to them negativly about it and i will not treat them any different than i would anyone else. I could probaly become friends with someone who is gay but i might still think it is morally wrong for them to be homosexual. I think it is morally wrong to have pre marital sex but i am friends with people who have it. And how can you compare it to liking a murderer that is way different.


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Maybe I just thinkyou religious people throw the word immoral around too much. Sometimes you use it for things that are just self-centered, unhealthy, unwise. Now extra-marital affairs, although I do not believe in morality, are certainly selfish and worthy of criticism, because they OBVIOUSLY hurt other people (wives, kids, and also the people having the affair). Homosexuality does not hurt anyone, except in the kind of vague degradation of values Christians accuse it of perpetuating. Homosexuality may be a little more unhealthy than heterosexuality (I mean anal sex, not the promiscuity part, which in my opinion is not a feature natural to homosexuality, but is a product of the social constraints put on homosexuals), but it is not selfish, or unwise. Why does the Christian right spend so much time crusading against homosexuals and gay rights but I never hear a peep about Republican senators who cheated on their wives or abandoned their families?


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Please explore the following.  Homosexuality is not a sin nor is it imoral

http://www.ufmcc.com/notsin/notsin.htm
 


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Broken llink.

Homosexuallity is a sin to christians:
"A man shall lay with no other man" or something like that...This is because God wanted people to reproduce, not not reproduce.

But it is not wrong.  Seperation of church and state.


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I am adopted, and theres nothing wrong with my fathers.... give me a break. My life is absolutly amazing, there loving and caring.... and some of you think that just because there gay that makes them bad parents. And because of that some of you think I'm going to grow up mental and gay... well depart from your deviated minds. The rectitude of my life and my parents need no judgement from mis-understood humans liek yourselves. I have my honorrolls, i have my good grades and i have a loving girlfriend.... suprised a "normal" guy such as myself can be conseeved by such parents. Even the most horrible people can be conseived by heterosexual parents. Much love.
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You know what? This is really ticking me off!!! Everyone arguing that gays shouldn't be allowed to adopt. You know there are billions of children just waiting to be adopted, and only 20% of the people in the world are illegable.
This is totally ridiculous!
I see tons of comments about "Oh, for the children, for their sake!"
Well guess what, I am one of those "children" that you are talking about.
I'm not gay, but my father is. I grew up with him and I'm fine. I'm not disease-infested or mentally-ill. I've never been picked on about my father because he is a respectable man.
His privacy is just that - privacy!
He never acts like he's gay around me, he respects me and other people.
SO if you want to keep saying the stupid lame comments about the "children" why don't you listen to one of these "children" who knows first-hand what its like.
 


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The main problem is that we have an almost completely christian government; they believe that no matter what, god and his bs is always right, thus leading to no gay adoptions.  Maybe if we got a Buddhist or Satanist in the government, this crap wouldnt happen.  Gays are people; they live normal lives, eat normal food, do normal things.  But the problem is their sexuality.  Because of this, they are discriminated against.  There are, indeed, a bunch of children just waiting to be adopted and get out of the hell hole we call an orphanage.  And the biggest thing keeping them in the orphanage is our anti-gay laws from those damned christian lawmakers.


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You claim to be Satanist/Wiccan hybrid Exxoss.  Wiccans are atheistic as far as the belief in the Christian God, but Satanists, by definition are REQUIRED to believe in the Christian God, for a fundamental cornerstone of the Satanic follower is to destroy and oppose God's teachings.  Satanists don't follow God, but they must believe in his existence.  So which is it, Satanist or Wiccan, you can't be both.


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umm, are you dum?  ive only been satanist once in my life, 3 years ago!  im not satanist/wiccan, im wiccan/pagan!  That means i believe in witchcraft and mother nature, guy!

Anyways, the problem is, gay adoption would help alot of people, but it is not hapening because of YOUR christian brothers in the government being bastards.  Why should i go accusing you of being evil because your part of a religion that helps millions of kids stay unadopted?  with gay adoption, there would be alot less unadopted kids in America.


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First of all sorry about the mix-up, I thought I recalled you saying that you were both in another post.

Anyway, I acknowledge that the men you refer to as "Christians" in government are a major obstacle in the way of gay adoptions....I personally believe they are wrong.  you are generalizing, you can't judge a group based upon the actions of the individual.  I'm sure that there are apsects of life that you disagree on with your Wiccan brothers.  Does that make your entie religion evil and a lie?  Of couse not, it simply acknowledges the existence of the individual and opinion.  And I really think you could substitute "Christian lawmakers" with narrow-minded lawmakers, most that claim to be Christians are doing it for the votes.

I also find it strange that in almost all the forums and topics, it almost always goes back to you guys attacking christianity and us defending it.  (I hate to use the whole us and them thing, but you get the idea) No one has once mentioned your faith Exxoss.  And I'm not saying we should, but I thought you guys were the ones who were constantly being discriminated against.  I personally don't believe that non-christians get as much flak as they claim.  About 95% of the people I meet have no idea that I am a Christian, for all they know I am an Atheist, or Wiccan, and I do just fine.  I also hear a lot of complaining about how America is so biasedly and oppresively Christian dominated politically.  Only 38% of Americans are self-proclaimed christians (American Religious Identification Survey 2001), why don't the overwhelming majority of nonchristians vote in their peers, people who believe as they do?  Christians are not the dominating majority that you make them out to be in terms of population.  But they are at the government level?  Why?


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exxoss and beavis love to generalize groups of people. i could make generalizations about your beliefs too but i choose not to because i know that it is not right to judge a whole group based on the wrong actions of a few individuals.


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Quote from madbilly at 2:04 PM on October 25, 2002 :
no you can have something against someone morally not personally. I dont agree with there sexuality but i am not going to say anything to them negativly about it and i will not treat them any different than i would anyone else. I could probaly become friends with someone who is gay but i might still think it is morally wrong for them to be homosexual. I think it is morally wrong to have pre marital sex but i am friends with people who have it. And how can you compare it to liking a murderer that is way different.



are you reading my mind?  

i have nothing wrong with the people, in fact one of my good freinds in high school is gay, but i dont support their actions, morally bad.


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Quote from thistownwilleatu at 04:18 AM on November 25, 2002 :
First of all sorry about the mix-up, I thought I recalled you saying that you were both in another post.

Anyway, I acknowledge that the men you refer to as "Christians" in government are a major obstacle in the way of gay adoptions....I personally believe they are wrong.  you are generalizing, you can't judge a group based upon the actions of the individual.  I'm sure that there are apsects of life that you disagree on with your Wiccan brothers.  Does that make your entie religion evil and a lie?  Of couse not, it simply acknowledges the existence of the individual and opinion.  And I really think you could substitute "Christian lawmakers" with narrow-minded lawmakers, most that claim to be Christians are doing it for the votes.

I also find it strange that in almost all the forums and topics, it almost always goes back to you guys attacking christianity and us defending it.  (I hate to use the whole us and them thing, but you get the idea) No one has once mentioned your faith Exxoss.  And I'm not saying we should, but I thought you guys were the ones who were constantly being discriminated against.  I personally don't believe that non-christians get as much flak as they claim.  About 95% of the people I meet have no idea that I am a Christian, for all they know I am an Atheist, or Wiccan, and I do just fine.  I also hear a lot of complaining about how America is so biasedly and oppresively Christian dominated politically.  Only 38% of Americans are self-proclaimed christians (American Religious Identification Survey 2001), why don't the overwhelming majority of nonchristians vote in their peers, people who believe as they do?  Christians are not the dominating majority that you make them out to be in terms of population.  But they are at the government level?  Why?


The thing is, a) sorry for the whole dum thing, i was ... last night.  b) We are called devil worshippers and shunned from society;  Also, the christian bastard thing was because the government bases most of their laws off christian laws, though we preach ammendment 1



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thistown...
i don't know what country u love in if you think the christian right does not have a very big influence on the American govt. let's see, the Republican Party gets a crap load of money from the Christian Right...the Republican Party is against gay marriage, stem-cell research, blahblahblah, all these issues, and when you press them hard enough, it always comes out as "it's against tradition, it's unnatural, etc.". Connection???? I think so. who needs to generalize? i don't give a rat's ass about all the nice christians living around the world. they're not helping me at all. my important contact with christianity is the one that directly affects my life. I am talking about the fact that the Christian Right opposes me being able to marry the person I love, and the conservatives listen. I think Christianity is bad for America. You said: "I personally don't believe that non-christians get as much flak as they claim". Well, I am not talking about all non-Christians. I am just talking about the fags who get beat up at school, strung up on fences, ridiculed, pressured, are legally made second-class citizens. I don't see a huge Jewish lobby keeping me oppressed. Heck, the Muslims are too busy oppressing their own people. I see Christian websites, Christian politicians, Christians actually bringing children into "hospitals" to brain wash them into believing they can be straight again, if only they'd love Jesus. Finally you said: "Christians are not the dominating majority that you make them out to be in terms of population.  But they are at the government level?  Why?" That's absurd. Since when in a capitalist society did u have to be a big group in numbers to have a lot of power in money and political clout????


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***~~~***There is no reason why same sex adoptions should be denied, as long as the couple are qualified to raise a child.  If your argument is that a child needs a mother and a father, I will refute with, are you really going to deny a child from a loving home?  There are so many kids out there waiting to be adopted, and if you are worried about the child's mental state when living with a gay /lesbian couple, statistics show there is no effect.  And , finally, if you are worried about the child being teased, well, that's life; being an adopted child myself, I was teased because I was from a different country and didn't look like the other kids.  Are you going to ban interracial adoptions now??? I didn't think so!***~~~***[color=fuchsia][/color][color=blue][i]
 


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First of all i would like to state that i do believe in God and Jesus (i'm catholic) but i do believe that homosexuals should be allowed to adopt because,"as long as their is love, what is wrong?"  and think about believing in something that you can't see but know it's there like God in this way...
I know there are beautiful castles in Ireland, i've never seen them, just heard of them, but we all know they are there.  anyways you guys give out great points.  and i don't know if someone has mentioned this before but children of gay parents will most likely recieve prejudice remarks, but so do children of color, different religion, culture, etc.  prejudice is a sad element in our world.
 


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Well, just remember that people who regularly attend Church live ten years longer on average. lol.

The Republican party is not completely opposed to stem cell research. The majority are only opposed to it under certain circumstances.


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Around 80% of the population consider themselves Christian...I'd call that a dominating majority considering you can be whatever religion you want to be.


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why does it seem as though Christianity rules throughout the topic of gay rights? I read that for those who are Buddhist, celebrate gay relationships freely. NO problems there! In my eyes, if a gay couple can support a child, and give the child what they need in life to grow, and get past the non-sense posed by the bible and people... more power to them. I support gay rights 110%. they're people too. treat them like you would anyone else. learn to accept change.
 


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i think that they should be able to. they are like any other people. Just because they are gay doesn't mean that they would be bad parents . so in my opion they should be able to adopt.
 


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I think all of you are screwed in the head to think that a gay couple could not raise a child. Some gay couples raise their children better than hetrosexual couples. I know that when my fiance and I have children a few years from now, I would want them to be who they want to be and love them for them, reguardless of who they happen to love. I think people who do not think that gays should be parents are just plain ignorant.
 


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Songs of Solomon is what he was referring to I am sure.  I am a Christian, you are pious, there is a difference and gays should adopt, there are plenty of heterosexuals in the world who are way worse parents than those whose only fault is being gay.
 


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i dont think that gay adoption is right
itis abnormal
 


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[color=red]I dont think that homosexuals shoould be able to adopt children because to have a child is to respect the creation of that child and the bonds of which pertain to it. I don't sasy this to be mean because I have friends that are homosexuals, and they understand the bonds of creating, and loving a child. Also children of homosexual couples are more likely to undergo therapy and to suffer from harsh treatment in society.


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if it was natral for gays to have childen, they would have them like anyone else !!
they should not be allowed to Adopt Childen and raise them in an unnatral and unhealthy enviroment !
 


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Yes, i believe that anyone who is fit to be a parrent should be able to adopt children. However we also have to look from the childs point of view. Recently it has been brought to my attention that children might not know how to deal with same sex parents, they might not understand because they see opposite sex relationships everywhere.  But i think if given the chance to adopt gay parents might just be what kids really need. But they way we r going we r never going to find out and that saddens me.


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its interesting to see that the two pages of debate related mostly to debating about Christianity.  I just wonder with the basis of the argument of homosexuals being immoral -- if the situtation was the other way around and homosexuality was the norm in society what argument is there for heterosexuals wishing to marry and aadopt?
 


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It is wrong to deny people rights based solely on your beliefs. Alot of your views on homosexual adoption are based on your religion which means that  you are forcing your religion on others which is wrong.
To deny them their rights is unconstitutional. It is discrmination.


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Quote from Guest at 02:48 AM on September 19, 2002 :
Also, I don't see how all these Bible beaters can say what is immoral and what is moral.  God himself does not define homosexuality as immoral.  He simply says it is wrong for a man to lie with another man.  He also says that cursing is wrong.  How many of you curse?  Yeah, that is what I thought!   Homosexuailty is no more "wrong" that cussing someone out or using a sware word to get a point across.  
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So the next time someone wants to start judging a gay person for being gay, take a second to read and re-read your Bible.  That ought to shut you up if in fact you are the Christian you say you are.  Quit judging other people!

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An inspiring message, Galen, however you fail to realize that the Bible explicitly states in many areas that that homosexuality is a downright sin. More than that, it's a sin OF THE BODY, which is the worst kind. The body is God's temple, and the bible is very explicit on how severe it is when you defile it.

The bible does prohibit cursing, and likewise I try by best not to. The bible also prohibits homosexuality, but I don't see the gay community trying to stop but succumbing to habit.

Also, if God's prohibitions on judging others extended as far as you seem to think it does, then it would be a sin for us to Witness to God's Word and profess our faith. I'm judging the gay lifestyle, not the gays themselves. I have several gay friends, and I don't hate any of them, but I despise the life they're living.

I see the gay community flouting their defect and enjoying it.

For this reason, your comparison between homosexuality and cursing is invalid.

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The main qualm I have with gay adoption is that I worry, because homosexuality is psychological, that being raised in a gay environment will raise the probably of the child turning out gay to unacceptable levels.
 


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Times have are changed.  Things that were not acceptable to society are now becoming acceptable.  There are many kids in homes where abuse is taking place.  All parents in general should have to go through a psychological examination process before having children.  I don't believe that being gay should make a difference on whether a person could adopt or not.  Adoption should be based on whether a person would make a good parent.  My brother is gay.  He has an eight-year-old daughter.  He treats her like a princess.  She is aware of his life style and is adapting very well to it. She is intelligent and full of personality.  She is not the least bit embarrassed of him.  She is a typical all American eight year old girl.  My brother is a great father.  He told me that he was gay approximately a year ago.  He loves children and wants more.  It would be a shame for anyone to deny him of having more due to narrow-mindedness.  Gay men and women are no different than anyone else other than their sexual preference.
 


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Yes they should and y r we callin them " they " like they are different from us gay adoption shouldn't be based on sexual orientation
 


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