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Valerie Martinez

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Recently Mel Gibson's film "The Passion of the Christ" has caused controversy for some who believe that the film is anti-semitic. But we must remember that everyone has their own beliefs and they have a right to believe what they want. However, it is not right to have a hatred for Jews because of Christ's death. We do not need another Holocaust because of this film. Some Jewish people have tried to boycott the film thinking it will cause hatred against Jews. But let's remember people, we shouln't misuse our beliefs to bash others. It is not right at all to bash Jews or hate them because of happened to Christ, that isn't right at all.
 


Posts: 36 | Posted: 12:44 PM on April 12, 2004 | IP
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Is it alright that the jews say that the New testament is the most antisemitic book in history?  Are you suggesting that Christians stop practicing their religion to appease the jews?  Or are you suggesting that Christians edit out the offensive passages to the jews?




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Posts: 196 | Posted: 2:15 PM on April 12, 2004 | IP
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Quote from unworthy servant at 2:15 PM on April 12, 2004 :
Is it alright that the jews say that the New testament is the most antisemitic book in history?  Are you suggesting that Christians stop practicing their religion to appease the jews?  Or are you suggesting that Christians edit out the offensive passages to the jews?





No I am not saying that I agree that the New Testament is anit-semitic or that we should do anything to please Jews, I'm just saying we shouldn't fight with Jews about what they believe. It's also not right to attack them for what happened to Christ. What are your true feelings about all this?

 


Posts: 36 | Posted: 2:34 PM on April 12, 2004 | IP
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They same ones egging on the crowd back then are still the ones egging on the destruction of Christianity, now.


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Posts: 196 | Posted: 5:32 PM on April 12, 2004 | IP
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Quote from unworthy servant at 5:32 PM on April 12, 2004 :
They same ones egging on the crowd back then are still the ones egging on the destruction of Christianity, now.



This is what other people of different faiths can say about their own faith. It can be said vice verca. Some Muslim extremeists think the U.S. is "egging" the destruction of their holy land. Just remember that Jesus was himself a Jew. Jews have their right to believe what they want too you know.

 


Posts: 36 | Posted: 12:16 PM on April 14, 2004 | IP
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Jesus was from the tribe of Judah.  That means He was a Judean.

Re 5:5 - and one of the elders said to me, "Stop weeping; behold, the Lion that is from the tribe of Judah, the Root of David, has overcome so as to open the book and its seven seals."

I do believe that the people over in Israel say that Christ is not the son of God.  That goes against the commands of God.  I obey God rather than men (Acts 5:29)


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Posts: 196 | Posted: 10:36 PM on April 14, 2004 | IP
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Quote from unworthy servant at 10:36 PM on April 14, 2004 :
Jesus was from the tribe of Judah.  That means He was a Judean.

Re 5:5 - and one of the elders said to me, "Stop weeping; behold, the Lion that is from the tribe of Judah, the Root of David, has overcome so as to open the book and its seven seals."

I do believe that the people over in Israel say that Christ is not the son of God.  That goes against the commands of God.  I obey God rather than men (Acts 5:29)



It doesn't matter what you think about other religions, the point is you shouldn't say that yours is better than others'. And yes I would give a hug to a Jew too, and I don't consider Jews to be "unrighteous" like you probably think. We don't need another holocaust you know.


 


Posts: 36 | Posted: 12:09 PM on April 16, 2004 | IP
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[b]Quote from Valerie Martinez at 12:09 PM on April 16, 2004 It doesn't matter what you think about other religions, the point is you shouldn't say that yours is better than others'. And yes I would give a hug to a Jew too, and I don't consider Jews to be "unrighteous" like you probably think. We don't need another holocaust you know.


Christianity is the only true religion.  All other will go away since they are false.


Exodus 20     Read This Chapter

20:1Then God spoke all these words, saying,

20:2" R666 I am the LORD your God, who R667 brought you out of the land of Egypt, out of the house of slavery. F391

20:3" R668 You shall have no other gods R669 before F392 Me.


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Posts: 196 | Posted: 6:43 PM on April 16, 2004 | IP
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Why are beliefs false?  Yours is a belief just as much as the other religions are beliefs?  What makes your beliefs perfect and the only religion?  Because a book wrote by Christians and Satan says so?

If you compare the beliefs of other religions, they are very similar to Christianity, just have different names.

The ONLY thing that makes Chrisitanity different is Jesus.  To follow his teachings, and believe that he is GOD in human flesh.  Well, to each his own.
 


Posts: 73 | Posted: 04:48 AM on April 17, 2004 | IP
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Quote from ffaldo at 04:48 AM on April 17, 2004 :
Because a book wrote by Christians and Satan says so?


The Scriptures are witten by Satan?





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Posts: 196 | Posted: 07:58 AM on April 17, 2004 | IP
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YES!  Who wrote the BIBLE?  Not GOD.  They are GOD's words only, not his handwriting, not his interpretations.  THEY ARE ONLY HIS WORDS!  

After that it is the people who revise, remove thousands of words, add thousands of other words...  It is SATAN's work, not GOD's.  Why would GOD allow for his word to be spread with hatred?  It is the same argument that you are using for GOD's hatred of homosexuals.  "God hates homosexuals, so the they are hated by other humans.  God hates Satan, so the Bible is shunned upon."

The revised Bible(s) is/are the all-time greatest work of SATAN.  SATAN has infiltrated the BIBLE and has successfuly spread his word and hatred to people like you.

I'm sorry that I choose not to follow SATAN's input!

Christianity is the ONLY TRUE RELIGION.  Although, it is not right to hate others based on their beliefs, as they do not look with disgust upon you because of your beliefs and boast.  Religion is ONLY an organization of believers.  It is NOT the pathway to GOD!
 


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Quote from ffaldo at 02:11 AM on April 18, 2004 :
After that it is the people who revise, remove thousands of words, add thousands of other words...  It is SATAN's work, not GOD's.  Why would GOD allow for his word to be spread with hatred?  It is the same argument that you are using for GOD's hatred of homosexuals.  "God hates homosexuals, so the they are hated by other humans.  God hates Satan, so the Bible is shunned upon."


That is why you are quoting the bible written by Satan?  You are really funny.


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Posts: 196 | Posted: 08:44 AM on April 18, 2004 | IP
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It was so YOU would understand what I was quoting.  I don't use the revised Bible nor follow its words.  However, it is funny that you follow these words.  

Blinded.
 


Posts: 73 | Posted: 02:55 AM on April 19, 2004 | IP
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Quote from ffaldo at 02:55 AM on April 19, 2004 :
It was so YOU would understand what I was quoting.  I don't use the revised Bible nor follow its words.  However, it is funny that you follow these words.  Blinded.


Being a wrod twister I am sure you won't give me a straight answer, but here goes:  What is the unirevised bible?





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Posts: 196 | Posted: 09:22 AM on April 19, 2004 | IP
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The original text!  The unrevised Bible is the Bible in its original form.  It is not translated into other languages.  It does not have verses and thousands of words missing.  It does not have thousands upon thousands of words added.  It is the original writing of the Apostles not other men who have good enough reasons to change the meanings and text.  That is the unrevised Bible.  

The revised Bible are the translations brought to us by those who deceive and those who have put translations into MODERN terminology by using the context of that time, not the context of the times in which the Bible was written.

That is NOT a twist of words.

(Edited by ffaldo 4/20/2004 at 12:40 AM).
 


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Quote from unworthy servant at 6:43 PM on April 16, 2004 :


Christianity is the only true religion.  All other will go away since they are false.




But in saying this you are taking pride in your religion and bashing others' religion. Your rhetoric here is the kind of talk that started the crusades many years ago.

 


Posts: 36 | Posted: 12:07 PM on April 23, 2004 | IP
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Quote from Valerie Martinez at 2:34 PM on April 12, 2004 :
Quote from unworthy servant at 2:15 PM on April 12, 2004 :
Is it alright that the jews say that the New testament is the most antisemitic book in history?  Are you suggesting that Christians stop practicing their religion to appease the jews?  Or are you suggesting that Christians edit out the offensive passages to the jews?







No I am not saying that I agree that the New Testament is anit-semitic or that we should do anything to please Jews, I'm just saying we shouldn't fight with Jews about what they believe. It's also not right to attack them for what happened to Christ. What are your true feelings about all this?




So if you don't think the New Testament is anti-semtic, then whats wrong with a reenactment of a peice of history. Just like 'Schindlers List' was about the holocaust, its not bashing Germans, but they did do that, and it was an important peice of history. Don't get mad at history.
 


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I found this thread interesting since I am doing a paper on Anti-Semitism... I also thought I'd bore you with my thoughts.

Christ was the God-man, absolute diety and true humanity, (interestingly, the jews quote a passage that says this every saturday: Jesus Christ is our Lord, Jesus Christ is Unique).  But, the Pharisees chose not to accept that he was the Messiah.  In addition, they practically forced the romans to execute him on the cross -- they had to do it quickly because of their upcoming holy days (ironically).  This is what the Bible says.  HOWEVER, believers must take into account that God is Omniscient, therefore he KNEW the Jews would not accept Christ as Messiah.  Christ had to go to the cross so that all of the sins of mankind (believers and unbelievers) could be judged in the only perfect human being to ever exist. In the church age, sin is never an issue -- only Christ is the issue because of his work on the cross.  SO, what is the real issue about the Jews?  God made them a promise - the promised land.  They are His people.  Christ is descended from David (as God promised).  BUT they did not accept Christ and so have not received their promise.  In order for God to fulfill his promises to Abraham and Moses, the Jews must survive to see the tribulation.  So, if you really think about it Anti-semitism is Satan's way to try and keep God from fulfilling his promises to the Jews and thereby prove that God is not infallible.  (if you understand about the fall of Satan and the Angelic conflict this makes sense, but that's not for this thread...)

Just some food for thought...
 


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