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Is homosexuality a narcissistic personality disorder?. - Where the "self love" is transformed into a love of ones own sex.

I know nothing - and I have not decided what to believe in - so dont flame me for this question: Im just testing a thesis that is inspired by a book about narcisism.


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Posts: 1 | Posted: 05:09 AM on May 26, 2005 | IP
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Well if you love another human then it isn't Narcissism.

here is the definition

nar·cis·sism   (närs-szm) also nar·cism (-szm)
n.

  1. Excessive love or admiration of oneself. See Synonyms at conceit.
  2. A psychological condition characterized by self-preoccupation, lack of empathy, and unconscious deficits in self-esteem.
  3. Erotic pleasure derived from contemplation or admiration of one's own body or self, especially as a fixation on or a regression to an infantile stage of development.
  4. The attribute of the human psyche charactized by admiration of oneself but within normal limits.

As you can see saying that being homosexual is narcissistic, then I can say that being heterosexual is narcissistic due to the fact that you find the same species attractive.


(Edited by Lord Iorek 5/26/2005 at 5:04 PM).


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Posts: 121 | Posted: 5:02 PM on May 26, 2005 | IP
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I agree with Lord Iorek. However, you are asking for a flame when your description says "narcissistic personality disorder"...
 


Posts: 85 | Posted: 09:52 AM on May 27, 2005 | IP
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Usually, disorders are dangerous but being Gay never killed anyone. Except for the people who stoned homosexuals and if you say AIDS you are dumb because the virus is more common in africans and can be contracted to heterosexuals. How can it be a disorder.


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Posts: 121 | Posted: 7:28 PM on May 29, 2005 | IP
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Its only more common in africa, becuase the catholic church says that they can't wear condoms...


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Posts: 301 | Posted: 10:11 PM on May 29, 2005 | IP
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its a culture thing not a religion thing.  but then im sure they say its okay to sleep around like the african people do.  

being gay actually is unhealthy the life span of the average gay male who dies of aids is 39 and the average gay male who does not die of aid is 42

while the average life span of a straight man is 73 sounds like it could be a little un healthy



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Posts: 97 | Posted: 4:58 PM on May 31, 2005 | IP
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But why does the church say if your european or american its ok to use protection, but in africa it isn't. Anyway, you'll probably find that people in the western world have more sexual partners than in africa.

I would realy like to know where you got those ages. 39 from aids I can understand, it will be pritty much the same for hetrosexuals with AIDs. But 42, show me the source, becuase I don't belive this for a second.


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Posts: 301 | Posted: 5:18 PM on May 31, 2005 | IP
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http://yarchive.net/med/gay_life_span.html Steve Harris, MD

homosexuality is not a clean life style its not even a natural lifestyle.

Idont know much about catholics or what religion is in south africa really but i do they are very sexually active. I dont know if their more than us or less sexually active.  




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Posts: 97 | Posted: 6:28 PM on May 31, 2005 | IP
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Lol. Did you actually just source a statistic like that? You are bogus. Did you see where that information came from? Paul Cameron. The most amazing homophic physchologist/sociologist.
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"On December 2, 1983, the American Psychological Association sent Paul Cameron a letter informing him that he had been dropped from membership. Early in 1984, all members of the American Psychological Association received official written notice that "Paul Cameron (Nebraska) was dropped from membership for a violation of the Preamble to the Ethical Principles of Psychologists" by the APA Board of Directors.5 Cameron has posted an elaborate argument about his expulsion from APA on his website, claiming that he resigned from APA before he was dropped from membership. Like most organizations, however, APA does not allow a member to resign when they are being investigated. And even if Cameron's claims were accepted as true, it would be remarkable that the largest professional organization of psychologists in the United States (and other professional associations, as noted below) went to such lengths to disassociate itself from one individual.
 
At its membership meeting on October 19, 1984, the Nebraska Psychological Association adopted a resolution stating that it "formally disassociates itself from the representations and interpretations of scientific literature offered by Dr. Paul Cameron in his writings and public statements on sexuality."6
 
In 1985, the American Sociological Association (ASA) adopted a resolution which asserted that "Dr. Paul Cameron has consistently misinterpreted and misrepresented sociological research on sexuality, homosexuality, and lesbianism" and noted that "Dr. Paul Cameron has repeatedly campaigned for the abrogation of the civil rights of lesbians and gay men, substantiating his call on the basis of his distorted interpretation of this research."7 The resolution formally charged an ASA committee with the task of "critically evaluating and publicly responding to the work of Dr. Paul Cameron."
At its August, 1986 meeting, the ASA officially accepted the committee's report and passed the following resolution:

The American Sociological Association officially and publicly states that Paul Cameron is not a sociologist, and condemns his consistent misrepresentation of sociological research. Information on this action and a copy of the report by the Committee on the Status of Homosexuals in Sociology, "The Paul Cameron Case," is to be published in Footnotes, and be sent to the officers of all regional and state sociological associations and to the Canadian Sociological Association with a request that they alert their members to Cameron's frequent lecture and media appearances."8
 
Cameron's credibility was also questioned outside of academia. In his written opinion in Baker v. Wade (1985), Judge Buchmeyer of the U.S. District Court of Dallas referred to "Cameron's sworn statement that 'homosexuals abuse children at a proportionately greater incident than do heterosexuals,'" and concluded that "Dr. Paul Cameron...has himself made misrepresentations to this Court" and that "There has been no fraud or misrepresentations except by Dr. Cameron" (p.536).9 "...
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This is the first biography I got from Paul Cameron on google. Dude, you are so obviously homophobic you will find any statistic possible to provide evidence. Come on. You, unworthy, and peddler should be dropped from this forum for embarrassing the human race.

(Edited by Box of Fox 5/31/2005 at 10:33 PM).
 


Posts: 85 | Posted: 10:28 PM on May 31, 2005 | IP
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Hey nether mind who came up with the stats.

Did you check what else was on that page, it was about how those statistics are most likly wrong lol. Thats great.

Not to mention that its 10 years out of date.

Oh and how is it not clean? I think you will find most gay people are just like everyone else.


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Posts: 301 | Posted: 10:48 PM on May 31, 2005 | IP
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Yeah sorry about that i didnt really research that one.  Ill see if i can find some up to date stuff.


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Posts: 97 | Posted: 11:25 PM on May 31, 2005 | IP
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Heres some actual facts.


Homosexual men are at significantly increased risk of HIV/AIDS, hepatitis,
anal cancer, gonorrhea and gastrointestinal infections as a result of their
sexual practices. Medical Institute for Sexual Health.

· Homosexual behavior accounts for a disproportionate number of sexually
transmitted diseases. Mireya Navarro, “Federal Officials See Sharp Rise of
Hepatitis Among Gay Men,” The New York Times, March 6, 1992.

· 65 percent of all reported AIDS cases among males since 1981 have been men
engaged in homosexual behavior. Center for Disease Control, HIV/AIDS

Surveillance Report, Vol. 9, No. 2, May 1998.

· The 2002 update reported by the Center for Disease Control indicates that
62% of known HIV cases involve men who have had sex with other men, and
an additional 8% of those cases involve men who have had sex with other men
and use intravenous drugs. Thus, 70% of known HIV cases involve
homosexual men. And, another alarming finding is reported: only ¼ of
homosexual men with HIV get tested or discovered before the disease
progresses into full blown AIDS. Therefore, the number of homosexual men
who have HIV is potentially staggeringly high.

· Homosexual youth are twenty-three times more likely to contract STD’s than
heterosexuals. American Adolescents: How Healthy Are They?, p. 31,
American Medical Association, 1990.

· At least nine separate studies done since 1990 have found that homosexual
youth have significantly higher rates of suicide. (Ferguson, David, et al., “Is
Sexual Orientation Related to Ment al Health problems and Suicidality in
Young People?” Archives of General Psychiatry 56 (10): 876-880, 1999;
Garofalo, Robert. Wolf, Cameron. “The Association Between Health Risk
Behaviors and Sexual Orientation Among a School-based Sample of
Adolescents.” Pediatrics; v101 n 5 p 895-902, 1998; Remafedi, Gary &
French, Simone. “The relationship between suicide risk and sexual
orientation: Results of a population-based study.” American Journal of Public
Health 88 (1): 57-60, 1998; Faulkner, Anne H. & Cranston, Kevin.
“Correlates of same-sex sexual behavior in a random sample of Massachusetts
high school students.” American Journal of Public Health 88 (2): 262-66,
1998; Hershberger, Scott L., & Pilkington, Neil W. “Predictors of suicide
attempts among gay, lesbian and bisexual youth.” Journal of Adolescent
Research 12 (4):477-97, 1997; Jordan, Karen M., Vaughan, Jill S., &
Woodworth, Katharine J. “I Will Survive: Lesbian, Gay and Bisexual
Youths’ Experience of High School.” Journal of Gay and Lesbian Social
Services 7, 4, 17-33, 1997; Schaffer, David & Fisher, Prudence. “Sexual
Orientation in Adolescents Who Commit Suicide.” Suicide and Life
Threatening Behavior 25, supplement, 64-71, 1995; Proctor, Curtis D. &
Groze, Victor K. “Risk factors for suicide among gay, lesbian and bisexual
youths.” Social Work 39 (5): 504-13, 1994; Rotheram, Borus & Mary J., et al.
“Suicide Behavior and Gay-Related Stress Among Gay and Bisexual Male
Adolescents.” Journal of Adolescent Research v9 n 4 p498-508 October
1994.)

Comparing sexually active youth, Faulkner’s study found 42% of the
homosexuals reported having attempted suicide, compared to 27% of the
heterosexual students. Fergusson found 32% of the homosexual youth
reporting attempts, compared to 7% of the heterosexuals. A similar gap was
found in Garofalo’s study, with 35% of homosexuals reporting attempts,
compared to 10% of heterosexuals. Remafedi found 28% of males compared
to 4% of males, and 20% of females compared to 14% of females.

· There is a high degree of destructive behavior among homosexuals, including
alcohol, drug abuse and emotional and physical violence. Robert Garofalo, et
al, “The Association Between Health Risk Behaviors and Sexual Orientation
Among a School-based Sample of Adolescents,” Pediatrics, 101 pp 895-902
(1998).

· 1999 FBI data on crimes reflects that homosexuals have a 50,000 percent
greater risk of being the victim of a “love” crime than a “hate” crime. The

numbers show only 1317 reported “hate crime” offenses against victims of
sexual orientation compared to 650,000 incidents of domestic violence
between male homosexual couples in 1998.

· The Streetwork Project Study of 1991 found that 42 percent of the homeless
were homosexual.

· A 2001 study by the Sexual Health Unit at Alice Springs Hospital in Australia
found that lesbians have higher rates of bacterial vaginosis and hepatitis C,
related to higher rates of smoking and oral sexual practices.

· Significantly higher percentages of homosexual men and women abuse drugs,
alcohol and tobacco than do heterosexuals. Medical Institute for Sexual
Health.

· 10 facts about homosexual men according to the Gay and Lesbian medical
Association in a press release issued through Gay Wired on June 10, 2002:

Men having sex with men are at increased risk of HIV infection, a fact that
is “well known.” Also, the last few years have “seen the return of many
unsafe sex practices.”

Homosexual men use substances at a higher rate than the general
population. This includes amyl nitrate (“poppers”), marijuana, Ecstasy
and amphetamines.

Depress and anxiety effect homosexuals at a higher rate than the general
population.

Men having sex with men are at an increased risk of sexually transmitted
infection with the viruses that cause the serious condition of the liver
known as hepatitis, which can lead to cirrhosis and liver cancer.

Sexually transmitted diseases occur in sexually active homosexuals at a
high rate. This includes STD infections for which treatment is available
(syphilis, gonorrhea, chlamydia, pub lic lice) and those for which there is
no cure (HIV, Hepatitis A, B, or C virus, Human Papilloma Virus).

Homosexual men are at risk for death by prostate, testicular or colon
cancer.

Homosexual men have higher rates of alcohol dependence and abuse than
heterosexual men.

Homosexual men use tobacco at much higher rates than heterosexual men,
reaching nearly 50 percent in some studies. Tobacco-related health
problems include lung disease, lung cancer, heart disease, high blood
pressure and a host of other serious problems.

Homosexual men are more likely to experience and eating disorder such
as bulimia or anorexia nervosa, and overweight and obesity affect a large
subset of the homosexual community.

Homosexual men are at risk for human papilloma virus, which causes anal
and genital warts, and plays a role in increased rates of anal cancers.


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Posts: 97 | Posted: 11:36 PM on May 31, 2005 | IP
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Where did you get all this random stuff?

I won't believe for a hot second you found all those examples separately.


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Posts: 121 | Posted: 5:48 PM on June 1, 2005 | IP
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Actually I did some reasearch and the first site I found that had a direct quote from your last post saying.

As with smoking, homosexual behavior's "second hand" effects threaten public health.

Okay whatever they say.

Oh and the third source was from Paul Cameron... hmmm

(Edited by Lord Iorek 6/1/2005 at 5:52 PM).


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Posts: 121 | Posted: 5:51 PM on June 1, 2005 | IP
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Yes i did get them all from one site.  Maybe not all of them are real but what about the majority that all are reliable sources?


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Posts: 97 | Posted: 6:22 PM on June 1, 2005 | IP
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Realable sources are only relaible in context...what did the rest of the story says.   Did this anyti-gay site only pick and choose what they wanted to make something appear the way the wanted?

Example.  lets say the a movie critic said
"the movie was exciting if you were really desparate for something to do"

But the people who made the movie only used part of what he said....

"the movie was exciting...."


Not the same thing, but the critic did say that so they were  not lying.

If the site you went to only had blupperts of stories, but not the WHOLE story then you may have been mislead.

I will post the real facts on homosexuals for you!




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Posts: 29 | Posted: 8:24 PM on June 1, 2005 | IP
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Most of the 'problems' with being homosexual pointed out by skins38 are largely due to anti-gay attitudes held by some people in society. Drinking, drugs, smoking, depression, suicide - all these seem to be telling us is that homosexuals are often victimised by society, in society. We all already knew that.

The whole discussion as to whether homosexuality is healthy or not has no bearing on anything - homosexuality is not a choice, and this conversation is therefore relatively pointless (but we all should be free to discuss it anyway! ).
 


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Quote from TheDoubthfull at 07:09 AM on May 26, 2005 :
Is homosexuality a narcissistic personality disorder?. - Where the "self love" is transformed into a love of ones own sex.

I know nothing - and I have not decided what to believe in - so dont flame me for this question: Im just testing a thesis that is inspired by a book about narcisism.



That's a very stupid and offensive question. Homosexuality is just as normal as heterosexuality. Your genes detemine if you're heterosexual, homosexual, bisexual or even transsexual. Hating someone for being  homosexual, bisexual or  transsexual is like hating a Jew for being a Jew or a black for being a black or a cat for being a cat.


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