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Raelian1

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Since the Catholic Church still considers homosexuals, bisexuals and transsexuals as sinful and evil, they should apostasize (debaptise) from the Catholic Church. This would send the Vatican a powerful message. If you need a form to fill out just go to this web page: http://apostasie.org

(Edited by Raelian1 6/22/2005 at 12:13 AM).

(Edited by Raelian1 6/22/2005 at 12:14 AM).

(Edited by Raelian1 6/22/2005 at 12:14 AM).


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Posts: 68 | Posted: 12:13 AM on June 22, 2005 | IP
Lord Iorek

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I'm no nut, but this movement to separate from a church that hates them, will send the message "you win". Also, this will give the church an opportunity to say, that people who don't accept christ are homosexuals and such. That will then lead to a wider campaign of hate that will eventually ostrcize everyone but the chosen (the most corrupt). The church has done it before and should not be left unguarded.


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Posts: 121 | Posted: 7:56 PM on June 22, 2005 | IP
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actualy many catholics aren't as bad as you make out. I'm not catholic or christian, but your racism towards catholics is unbeliveable.

I know many catholics that do not have a proble with homosexuals or bisexuals. I even know a couple of gay catholics. So stop your bigoting and your blind hatred for catholics please.


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Posts: 301 | Posted: 8:33 PM on June 23, 2005 | IP
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I am comptley against homosexuality 100% I think its wrong and immoral.  Yet why should they be cast out from the church?  What about all the other men that are cheating on thier wives or addicted to porn, should they not then also be kicked out?  

They should not accept it but should allow them to attend the chuch and be like every oneelse that goes.


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Posts: 97 | Posted: 9:39 PM on June 23, 2005 | IP
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Skins, Im confused by your statement. 100% against homosexuality means that you want no part of it whatsoever, yet you would be willing to sit in a church pew with a homosexual man? What purpose would this homosexual man have for sitting in the pew? To put money in the collection plate to further fund the churches war against him?
  Actually I commend your tolerance level, it is not that that I take issue with. Being a gay man myself, it has been years since I set foot in a church and will be years still before I do it again. I have my relationship with god and he does not consider me a sinner or love me any less than he loves the habitual church goer because I choose to follow him despite what everyone else says he thinks about me. Mine is an unconditional love and so is Gods. The church has lost that over the centuries and chosen a path of hatred and seclusion. If there is one saving grace in the churches philosophy, it is that they are dooming themselves to extinction. I for one will dance with glee when the last church door closes for good and the religious shackles on humanity are broken, only then can we advance as a culture and we will. All in good time.


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Posts: 41 | Posted: 10:23 PM on June 24, 2005 | IP
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Im not saying im going to ignore someone because their gay.  i was saying that i am against the lifestyle you and others live.  Take no offense i am also against the lifestyle of people sleeping with people outside of marriage 100% percent as well. The Bible does teach however that homosexuality is wrong but in Gods eye's one sin is the same as the other.  So in my view i am just as wrong as you are just by looking at a girl in the wrong way.  

Was that more understandable?


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Posts: 97 | Posted: 11:04 PM on June 24, 2005 | IP
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I certainly understand what you mean in theory. But if you see a pretty girl walking down the street what is the wrong way to look at her in your eyes?
  As for the bible teachings, that is precisely the reason i do not go to church any longer. the bible was written by men, it is an interpretation of what men BELIEVE is gods word. I will not base my life on what some people 2000 years ago thought I should be doing. When god himself tells me that I should not be doing something because that is not what he had in mind, i will give it some serious thought until that time the bible is no less a collection of stories than is Edgar Allen Poe's "Tales of mystery and Imagination".
  Believe me, I take no offense in what you say, I respect you for saying it.


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Posts: 41 | Posted: 09:10 AM on June 25, 2005 | IP
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I believe it is perfectly fine to look at her in the face and think wow thats a nice looking girl, but if i were to then start looking at her body and lust over it then this would be wrong.  Thats what the Bible teaches and the Bible is what i live my life by.  In the Bible it also says if you think it in your heart then you have commited.

 I am in no way saying im perfect because i commit this wrong fairly often i am sorry to say.  

I believe that the Bible is written by God inspired men.  Basically i believe God told them what to put down.   I can see why this seems hard to believe but what other way would God tell us and yet still require faith to believe?


The Bible is not just a simple story book granted many of the miracles and small aspects of things could not have been recorded but the Bible is very accurate as in the events that took place.  For example there are roman records that Jesus was crucified.    The small details cannot be historcally proven but there are many other records that the Bible agrees with.   Here is a big reason why i believe the Bible is true

Dr. Hugh Ross

Unique among all books ever written, the Bible accurately foretells specific events--in detail--many years, sometimes centuries, before they occur. Approximately 2500 prophecies appear in the pages of the Bible, about 2000 of which already have been fulfilled to the letter--no errors. (The remaining 500 or so reach into the future .) Since the probability for any one of these prophecies having been fulfilled by chance averages less than one in ten (figured very conservatively) and since the prophecies are for the most part independent of one another, the odds for all these prophecies having been fulfilled by chance without error is less than one in 10^2000 (that is 1 with 2000 zeros written after it)!

This and how i have seen God work in my life and others and many more things is why i believe.



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Posts: 97 | Posted: 11:16 PM on June 25, 2005 | IP
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Quote from Lord Iorek at 7:56 PM on June 22, 2005 :
I'm no nut, but this movement to separate from a church that hates them, will send the message "you win". Also, this will give the church an opportunity to say, that people who don't accept christ are homosexuals and such. That will then lead to a wider campaign of hate that will eventually ostrcize everyone but the chosen (the most corrupt). The church has done it before and should not be left unguarded.


Actually by apostasizing (debaptizing) from the Catholic Church, the Church actually "loses" not the other way around. As long as a person is baptized, he/she is on an official list counting them as a member and expecting them to pay a church tax. All gay Catholics should apostasize (debaptize) to send a powerful message to the corrupt, vile Catholic Church that homophobia won't be tolerated. You don't have to be a Catholic to accept Christ.


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Posts: 68 | Posted: 10:59 PM on June 27, 2005 | IP
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Quote from Peter87 at 8:33 PM on June 23, 2005 :
actualy many catholics aren't as bad as you make out. I'm not catholic or christian, but your racism towards catholics is unbeliveable.

I know many catholics that do not have a proble with homosexuals or bisexuals. I even know a couple of gay catholics. So stop your bigoting and your blind hatred for catholics please.



I have nothing against Catholics in general. As a matter of fact, I know a lot of good Catholic people. You misunderstood my post (and point). A lot of the Catholics who aren't in the structure (meaning either a priest, nun, bishop or pope) respect gay people. But the Pope (dope) and his orderlies (priests, nuns, bishops, etc) condemn homosexuality, bisexual and transsexuality and are unequal to women. That's why those gay Catholics you know should apostasize to let the Vatican know that homophobia won't be tolerated. Let me ask you something. Would these gay Catholics you know be allowed to be a priest or a nun? I'm sure your answer will be no unless they don't tell anyone they're gay. I'm not racist about Catholicism, I just want the Catholic Church to compensate all people and their descendants that they have harmed. And to say that the Vatican never harmed anyone is naivety at it's worst.


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