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[color=fuchsia]i tink that all these ungodly sinful marriages are ok but not for me

 


Posts: 0 | Posted: 10:55 AM on November 6, 2002 | IP
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[color=fuchsia]i think that all these ungodly sinful marriages are ok but not for me

 


Posts: 0 | Posted: 10:58 AM on November 6, 2002 | IP
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I think they are ungodly to CHRISTIANs.  Not to other religion, some at least.  Its stupid to say that they are horribly bad in gods ey  es, but ok.  StOoPiD!




GAy people have as much right to get married as you do to your wife.  What amesk them less human than you to where they do not have marriage rights?


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yeah agreed. why should we prevent them from marriage? if it goes against their religion...freedom of religion...then they are being disloyal to the religion but they can do that!
 


Posts: 60 | Posted: 2:17 PM on November 9, 2002 | IP
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Quote from Lost at 9:47 PM on September 7, 2002 :
If they wanna get married, fine. I see no reason why they shouldn't be able to. They have the same rights anyone else does.


I agree! Totally! They're people too! Its their choice not the governments, if they get to choose for those who love someone of the same sex, what keeps them from choosing for us??



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Do you support legalized Gay Marriage? 

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Posts: 34 | Posted: 2:56 PM on November 14, 2002 | IP
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Gays should have equal rights, like everyone else![random] Lets us remember that all people are created equally, or so we think, and we all have rights according to the decleration of independance.


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oh really? then why do women only on the most part get 89 centsfor every buck a male makes, the only fact that people do not believe that gays should mary. is because of the fact that people grew with their friends always saying that's gay, only a gay faggot would want to do that! so they used gays as a new bias instead of blacks.
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Quote from Guest at 2:09 PM on December 17, 2002 :
gay people are really gay they should die and rot in hell


You have an interesting point there, but could you clarify for me if you mean that becuase they are gay, gay people should die or rot in hell or that gay people who act in a particularly stereotypicaly gay way should die and rot in hell?
 


Posts: 122 | Posted: 8:20 PM on December 17, 2002 | IP
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i say let them marry.  nobody should be able to tell another person that they cant marry someone.


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I belive there are two seperate questions here.  Should there be legal gay marriages?  Should there be religious gay marriages?

The legal contract between two people should be allowed; gay or not.  If there is true equality before the law then it should.

If you do not want to follow what your religion has decided about gay marriage, then you are free to start your own church and you should be free to marry inside it.

"gay people are really gay they should die and rot in hell"-Guest

That is not for you to decide.
 


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I feel that it in a thriving, hungry, democratic country, where people pride themselves in there civil liberities, the morality of the select few in the population should not be the sole decision in everyones lives. Be you a christain, jew, buddist, hindu..whatever! everyone has there one moral beliefs, so impinging christainty on everyone is not the law, it is not the state. There is a time and a place for that and it can all be said and done in church, or wherever you congregate. Homosexuals should be treated like any other law abiding citizen in this country. If you can vote, pay tax to the state, you should be able to marry. Again, this is not a topic of morality, because we know, in a America, not everyone shares the same points of view, but we should be democratic about it; because that is what makes our country 'land of the free'
 


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Why shouldnt they get married? If they love each other then why not? What harm is it doing to anyone else? If they want to get married why should it be up to anyone else instead of up to them?


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Someone wrote:
"Come on.  Think of what Gay Male sex looks like.  Do you want these freaks to have marriages?"

And you are whom??  As a gay man, I find heterosexual images of sex detestable... I don't like seeing it!  Not even on TV!!  

You use the word "freaks".  If love is "freakish", then I am guilty... so is God ("God is Love")

Next argument??  And let's make this one logical!


 


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What is it with Christians??  Do Christians just need someone to pick on??  I hate to break it to you, but religion is IRRELEVANT to a society founded on FREEDOM of religion.  

That means you don't have the right to tell me I can't get married because it doesn't fit YOUR religious views.

Welcome to America.

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Well fo COURSE not! Holy Matrinomy is the union of male and female, for the purpose of forming the base of a family unit and procreation. You cannot do this with a male and male or female and female. We do not wed Zoophiles and beasts or coprophiliacs and shit, why should we bring together two fags or Lesbians? And well, what about the barren woman or sterile male? The very fact they still have the plumbing (ie. a penis and vagina), they are BOTH male and female, and they both INTENDED to produce children, shows that they ought to be married. Fact is by precident of nature by virtue of being male and female, they can still be married. But a homosexual couple can never naturally produce biological children. And moreover, I do not want my taxes going towards supporting some fags getting married. Why can't you fags be happy having your existence "tolerated" why do you want to FORCE straight society to approve your perverted filthy lifestyles? Sorry, but marriage is for heterosexuals only. PERIOD!!!!
 


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I don't know where some people get to thinking that homosexuals are trying to get attention by forcing the whole same-sex marriage issue. I have seen many of you write: "Same-sex couples are prohibited in the bible, so why can't they find some other way to express their love." Is the Bible's teaching not based upon the love of God? So what is wrong with homosexual couples wanting to be wed in the church? They are members of the church, and are accepted, but when they try and marry another of the same sex in that church, it becomes an immoral, and disgrading idea. Marriage is the joint unity of two people in love, who want to express that love by entering into a legally binding contract that will, under the law, make them one entity. Really you have to ask: If it's so wrong for homosexuals to want to enter that contract and publically express their love for one another, is there really any difference if it is a heterosexual couple doing the same thing? They are both there for the exact same reason.
 


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i am suprised by the amount of religion discussed with this problem reguarding the constitution and law.  seperation of church and state!! -however gay marriage is wrong, immoral, degrading to a society, etc. etc., and i am glad the southern senator had the brains and strength to say it .... too bad for the liberal media he career is over!  
 


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Well the seperation of church and state is exactly why churches can refuse to marry someone. Churches are a private organization, just like the PGA or anyone else who can make their own decisions. I think the primary reason why people are against homosexual marriage is that it is (or at least was) socially unacceptable, just as polygomous marriages are unacceptable. Should we let a man marry four women, I mean, if he loves them all why not (by your line of thinking) right? Or how about a man who really loves having sex with sheep? Should he be able to  marry a sheep? I know that example is extreme, but so was the idea of gay marriages 100 years ago, or even of the acceptance of gay people.


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Gays are wrong, just wrong and there shouldn't be gay marrages.  GOD ment for men to marry women, not men.  So get it in your head, gays are wrong and they shouldn't be allowed to have special rights, FOO'
 


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God didn't mean for anyone to marry anyone because your god doesn't exist.
Gays, for the most part, are asking for equal rights, not special ones.
 


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from the religous point of view:
"man shall not lie with a man as he does with a women "
as in: do it differently dont think men and women are the same. also if it is condemning homosexuals why only gays and not lesbians since its the same principle.
secondly from the evolution argument: if you are saying that homosexuality is unatural cause it goes against procreation does that mean people who dont want kids are sinners?
thirdly every single law in a democratic country that believes in pluralism of religion and seperation of church and state is based soley on what does or doesnt harm an individual or society. homosexuals mostly arnt child molesters and kids growing up in their homes arnt more likely either to be depressed or gay (psycological studies)unless of course they live in a hateful society like the far right want america to be.
fourthly true the human body was created for hetrosexual sex  but it was also created for procreation. are you going to issue a decree that every couple must have children? society is not dictated by the human body but by what causes harm and what doesnt.
finaly even if you think it is yucky and it hurts your tender eyes unless you can prove it hurts you any deeper than that your case doesnt pass alot of actions and opinions offend me cause i dont agree with them but i dont impose my beliefs on others unless their beliefs cause harm.
and if no other argument convinces you even you have to admit the bible doesnt condem lesbians or non sexual or not full sex homosexual relations.
 


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Hey everyone! Just spent yesterday at Toronto's gay pride celebrations! Almost a million people, gay, straight, adults, children, black, white, Mulsim, Christian, fully clothed and fuly naked, and you know what - it was wonderful. peace and love and happiness everywhere.

And even better, we were celebrating the legalization of gay marriage here in Ontario and it's about time.

I'm a gay guy and my partner is an ex-catholic priest but still a devout catholic.

And now I can finally get married to him, to prove to the world that we're committed to love and spend the rest of our lives together.

and you know what....it has nothing to do with sex! just love.

what I do in the bedroom with another consenting adult is no one's business but our own and the marriage issue is completely unrelated to our secual behaviour.

I mostly want the tax breaks and other beneifits that go along with marriage. I pay as much taxes (or more as I'm in the highest tax bracket here) than the next person and i'm entitled to everything straight people are entitled to.

If you can't stand the thought of homosexual sex, then don't think about it. I don't look at straight people and think "i wonder what type of kinky positions he/she get into"

happy pride everyone!! feel the love.

 


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This is America. We pride ourselves on being free. It is not freedom if a person cannot marry the one they love, it is not freedom that two same sex partners cannot adopt children and lead a normal happy life the way that they see fit. It should be legal to marry whomever you want to marry because it is your own life. The government and the close-minded people of america do not lead everyones life. We lead our own lives and we shold be FREE to love who we want an not get shot down because of it. Everybody has rights and its about time that gay people get the chance at life that straight ppl have.[b]


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I find it rather amusing that some of you would use Bible verses to somehow try to justify homosexuality.  I know, why don't you write additions to the Bible to attempt to justify Christianity with homosexuality.  Of course, then according to the Bible you would face judgement in REV 22:19.  Apparently some of you don't really know the Bible or you wouldn't quote things out of context.  What I've given below is very clear and won't need to be scrutinized to understand it.
Anyone wanting to know the truth can check these verses out for youselves.  Please don't take my word for it but search for yourselves and see if these passages are true:
1.) Do you not know that the unrighteous will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived. Neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor homosexuals, nor sodomites, 10 nor thieves, nor covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor extortioners will inherit the kingdom of God. 1 Corinthians 6:9–10.
The New King James Version, (Nashville, TN: Thomas Nelson Publishers) 1998, c1982.
2.)   For this reason God gave them up to vile passions. For even their women exchanged the natural use for what is against nature. 27 Likewise also the men, leaving the natural use of the woman, burned in their lust for one another, men with men committing what is shameful, and receiving in themselves the penalty of their error which was due.
28 And even as they did not like to retain God in their knowledge, God gave them over to a debased mind, to do those things which are not fitting; 29 being filled with all unrighteousness, sexual immorality, wickedness, covetousness, maliciousness; full of envy, murder, strife, deceit, evil-mindedness; they are whisperers, 30 backbiters, haters of God, violent, proud, boasters, inventors of evil things, disobedient to parents, 31 undiscerning, untrustworthy, unloving, unforgiving, unmerciful; 32 who, knowing the righteous judgment of God, that those who practice such things are deserving of death, not only do the same but also approve of those who practice them.
Romans 1:24–27.
3.)  You shall not lie with a male as with a woman. It is an abomination. Leviticus 18:22–23

4.)  If a man lies with a male as he lies with a woman, both of them have committed an abomination. They shall surely be put to death. Their blood shall be upon them.  Leviticus 18:22–23; 20:13.
The New King James Version, (Nashville, TN: Thomas Nelson Publishers) 1998, c1982.

These are scripture verses from the Bible.  If you don't believe in Jesus then the scriptures above won't mean anything to you.  If you claim to be a Christian and yet deny these verses to be the word of God then you make your decision knowing full and well the consequences.  You will never be able to deny that you have been told the truth because now is your chance.  And last for any who think this is an example of Christians judging others.  Let me remind you that I'm not judging you.  If you continue in your own way you cast judgement on yourself with God's word.  

God doesn't change his mind either.
1 Sam 15:29  He that is the Glory of Israel does not lie or change his mind; for he is not a man that he should change his mind. (NIV)
 


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Thanks for that Sunday school lesson... not. Bible-babbling makes me want to vomit, personally. Here's something for you to think about:

http://www.valleyskeptic.com/dr_laura.html

Next time someone attempts to justify discrimination against gays to me by tossing out quotes from the bible, I am going to ask this thoroughly categorical Christian where his/her slaves are.


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Constitutionally there is no good reason to deny same  sex partners the ability to celebrate and strengthen their relationship together through some type declaration of monogamy, and in doing so provide their spouses with all of the benefits of said declaration.  Anyone who denies this fact is truly a bigot.  

However, the idea of marriage continues back way before the the constitution was even a glimmer in Jefferson and Adams' eyes.  To call a union between consenting same sex couples a marriage directly contradicts the ancient and dogmatic idea that marriage is inherently associated with procreation.

To let any relgious feelings into the debate is to deny a separation of church and state, so the arguement over gay marriage should not be made on dogmatic grounds.  Every american who lives free under the constitution should welcome equal treatment for ALL.

But why call a gay union marriage.  Why not let both sides concede a little and allow for gay unions but do not call them marriages?  Why wouldn't this work?  If this doesn't, then the idea of gay marriage is not about one spouse receiving the benefits of the union, but about acceptance and fighting to be viewed on par with everything else.  The problem then becomes one of changing peoples own personal ideas.  A bit of a catch 22 though, because those fighting for gay marriage are fighting to be able to celebrate their own personal ideas.  Because of free will we are all entitled to make our own opinions, and everyone should be given that chance and not have other dogma rammed down their throats (any kind of dogma mind you).  We should embrace the diversity of our views.  Why do we need a homogenous society anyway?    
 


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Hi everyone,
  I'm brand new here, and haven't been able t log in, so I'm just going to do this as a guest.  I am personally against gay marriage, largely for religious reasons, but I don't believe that that makes my stance any less viable.  I believe that if we allow gay marriage we are condoning a lifestyle that Judiasm, Islam, and Christianity renounce, so it is not just fundamentalist Christians that are against this.  History has repeatedly shown that condoning homosexual behavior increases its occurance.  In ancient Sparta, which was in Greece, men in the military were strongly encouraged to form homosexual relationships with their fellow military men because it brought them closer.  In Rome, it was incredably common for men to form relationships with young men.  If we condone homosexual behavior in such a huge way, what is to stop the US from declining so much.  I feel very strongly that so many teens are confused about thier sexuality because society presents homosexuality as a normal standard.  If a young man is sensitive, he may not continue to be a sensitive heterosexual young man, but rather chose to be gay, because he would find more acceptance among other gay men.  A girl who was sexually molested by her father, or Uncle, or any other man may turn to another woman for sex because she can't stand men.  I am not denying that there are people that are homosexual from no outward causes, but that still does not mean that they should act on those feelings.  I doubt there is anybody who would deny that all teenagers are horny, but I feel that those who participate in pre-marital sex are commiting just as big of a sin as a homosexual.  There is biblical evidence that God intended marriage to be between a man and woman as well.  Genesis 2:24 says "Therefore a ma shall leave his father and mother and be joined to his wife, and they shall become one flesh." (KJV).  It is not being homosexual that is a sin, it is the homosexual acts
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First of all, why should the American government care if Jews, Christians, Muslims, etc. renounce gays? What about separation of church and state? Besides, there are also religions that support homosexuality (hence the new gay bishop). If the American government is going to litigate according to religious beliefs, who is going to decide which religions are applicable? And for that matter, which religious *beliefs* are applicable? Perhaps it is against YOUR religion to practice homosexuality. In another mainstream religion it is a sin to eat pork. Would you like to see anti-pork eating laws in America?

Or how about a more apt comparison. The bible teaches that dark-skinned people are less human than pale-skinned people, and that slavery is good and proper. Yet nowadays America certainly does not condone slavery, nor denying blacks the rights they afford whites. How is denying black people rights simply because they are black any different than denying gay people rights simply because they are gay? Yet as far as I know, no religious groups are trying to pass a law that will make black marriages illegal, because "the bible says it should be so." How do you, as a religious and bible-respecting Christian, justify this inconsistency?

What people need to understand is that religion has no place in this political/legal argument. No one is demanding that churches hold wedding ceremonies for gay people. Gay people are simply demanding the right to enter in a marriage contract (a purely legal document holding no religious overtones) with a consenting adult. Denying them this right is discrimination, pure and simple. There are no solid, factual reasons why gay people deserve marriage less than straight people.  

Last of all, I know I am coming off as a real bible-hater here, but I can't resist. I simply cannot understand the value of pulling bible quotes from their context to justify an argument. You tell me that the bible says that man should only marry woman? Well... I am looking in my copy right now... and I see that Leviticus 19.26 says "You shalt not round off the hair on your temples or mar the edges of your beard." (Can't wait to see those hair-cutting laws implemented.) Leviticus 19.28 warns "You shall not make any gashes in your flesh for the dead or tattoo any marks upon you." (If every American sporting a tattoo was arrested...) Basically, the bible is such a sprawling, over-translated, dated text that one can find in it passages to justify almost any kind of behaviour. The fact that people still quote it as if it were a valid source makes it obvious to me that Christians do not even honor the bible anymore. They know what they want to believe, and they pick and choose passages from the bible to support it. From a logical standpoint, "The bible says homosexuality is wrong" simply won't cut it as a reason why gays should not marry.


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Hi, I'm a reporter with CBC French Radio in Montréal. I'd like to illustrate the difficulties of obtaining marital status rights in your own State after being married or receiving civil union in other States (Vermont) or in Canada.
Are there any couples living in a neighbouring State to Canada who would be interested? Especially if one of the partners speaks French...
Thanks for your cooperation.
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Quote from Sakata at 7:31 PM on October 28, 2002 :
This website made me sick!  This guy has no clue what he is talking about whatsoever!  I hope no one bought these lies.

First of all he says that homosexuals are rejected by the christain church --wrong!! We believe homosexuality is wrong, but the christain church reaches out to gays! not reject them! I have personally worked at a church reaching out to gays living in a poor community, not preaching, not condeming, just painting fences and pulling weeds and letting our actions speak.

Second of all he says that homosexuality is not a sin, lol.  You might also notice that this guy didnt once put scripture in his artical, maybe because he kept, I dunno, finding stuff like ...

"Do not practice homosexuality; it is a detestable sin." - Leviticus 18:22

"Do you not know that the wicked will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived: Neither the sexually immoral nor idolaters nor adulterers nor male prostitutes nor homosexual offenders" -1 Corinthians 6:9


This person wants to make the church to conform to his modern ideals.  He lies expecting people not look into it and take his word for it.  But God says "I am the Lord, and I do not change"

God clearly says that homosexuality is a sin, he clearly says that he doesnt change his mind, this guy is clearly dead wrong.



The Bible also teaches that if a man marries a woman who does not bleed on their wedding night, he is supposed to take her back to her parents and stone her to death on her father's doorstep.  Please note that it gives no further need of proof that she is not a virgin, simply if she doesn't bleed.  Of course, now we know that not all women bleed "the first time" but back then it was a death sentence and her family was shamed for her promiscuity.

It also says that if a woman is raped within the city limits, she is as guilty as her rapist and must be killed.  It says that if it happens in the city, "someone would have heard her if she screamed" therefore she must have "wanted it."  Of course, now we understand that many things could have prevented a woman from screaming...

On the other hand, a woman raped in the country if she is married or betrothed, the rapist has to pay the HUSBAND (not the victim) reparations, and if she is single, she has to marry her rapist.

All of these are found in Deuteronomy...and God doesn't "change His mind..."


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[b]I think personally that in today's society, when it comes to gays getting married people are always looking for an excuse to throw out the rligion card. It has nothing to do with religion because most people now adays are hipocrits when it comes to their religious faith. Some say that they are devoted christians and they live by the Bible but these are some of the same people who are having pre marital sex, Babies out of wec lock, and committing the crimes of adultry. All of these things that are stated are in the Bible and it is said not to do these things but people still are doing these things. So why tell people that the Bible says its wrong. The Bible says alot of things are wrong but people still continue to do it.
 


Posts: 0 | Posted: 6:48 PM on October 28, 2003 | IP
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after reading through this entire debate and seeing the same things over and over again, i'm a little hesitant to add my voice to the fray.  but here it goes, at any rate.  many of the arguments here against gay marriage refer to homosexuality as a choice.  i'd like to point out that no one chooses to be homosexual; homosexuals only make a choice whether or not to accept their attractions.  i haven't done particular research to back this up, because this comment is sort of spur-of-the-moment, but i can reiterate a fact that's already been posted:  about 1/3 of species on the planet are known to engage in homosexual behavior, including livelong partnerships.  i'm not entirely sure, but it seems unlikely that these animals made conscious choices to relate sexually and romantically (particularly very intelligent animals such as dolphins).  doesn't it follow that humans don't make a conscious choice to be homosexual, either?  if that doesn't seem logical to you, i'll offer another thought that might...given the difficulty of gay life in this country, and the even more severe difficulty of gay life in other countries, why would anyone choose to be homosexual?  at this point in my life i like to think that if i'd had a choice, i would choose to be a lesbian.  but when i was struggling with my same-sex attractions, i certainly would have chosen to be straight, and saved myself the hardship.  however, that's just not how it works.  
i hope this comment has been sensitive and constructive, and i hope future comments are sensitive and constructive too.
my love to all of those who are as hurt as i by the hatred i found in these message boards.
 


Posts: 1 | Posted: 03:42 AM on December 8, 2003 | IP
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Frankly, the only reason I'm posting here is that my gf dared me (in a game of Truth or Dare?) to post, in some forum, either

1) that I'm for the legalization of marijuana, or
2) that I'm for the legalization of gay marriage

Well.  Before I get blasted for even going through with this, let me just say this:  I thought it was a stupid idea, and tried to weasel out of it.  But here I am, going through with it.

Now, about these 2 (apparently still touchy subjects), I will say the following, in all honesty:

1) I no longer smoke pot.  Yet I am completely in favor of marijuana legalization, or at the very least, decriminalization, in North America, South America, hell, wherever people are still uptight about the consumption of this relatively harmless plant intoxicant.  Jeez.

2) Ah yes, to the topic at hand.  Gay marriage.  Seriously, now.  I'm not gay.  Some of my closest friends are.  So?  Love is beautiful and precious.  If 2 people care enough about each other to tie the knot, then, by God (or gawd, or whatever "authority" one wishes to make reference to), they should be allowed to do so legally, safely, and quickly ;)

So, to summarize:  I am all for the legalization of pot, but, more importantly, I would be willing to put my own ass on the line (um, well, not my ACTUAL ass, you know) to ensure the right of ANY 2 people, of ANY description, to get married ANYWHERE.  Especially if they're a gay couple, because, let's face it, some people would rather chew off their own toes than see 2 people of the same gender legally entitled to share a bank account.  I dunno.  I'm drunk.

Despite the admonitions of my gf, I will not censor this post.  Make of it what you will, nothing was said that I would recant in sober state, I'm pretty sure.

I want my friends Brian and Alex to be able to get married to their boyfriends, if they wanted to.  And I'd love to be a flower girl, um, I mean, guy.  Why the heck not?
 


Posts: 1 | Posted: 12:16 AM on January 15, 2004 | IP
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Marriage is different to many people. To some, it might be a union between a man and a woman who want to spend their life together and love each other. To me, it's a union between two people that want to spend their life together and love each other.

The way I see it, if someone loves another person, and it's not someone such as their daughter, a 5 year old child, etc, then why can't they get married? If two women love each other and want to spend their life together, why can't they marry? I am not saying we have to tell every church in this world that they have to marry two women, or two men, because I wouldn't want to marry my girlfriend (if I had one at this time) in a church that doesn't support it (or in a church at all, but that is besides the point, that brings my own beliefs in), but if someone who is legally capable of acting the role of the person that marries the two people (sorry for lack of better words) and they are fine with letting two people of the same sex marry, fine! I don't think we should force a church to let two homosexuals marry, if they think it is sinful and blah blah blah, but I think if someone wants to allow it, they should be able to.

While religion can be discussed and stated how sinful or whatnot it is in the christian bible, you must realize that not everyone in America is religious, or not everyone goes by the bible, or they believe in a different God or Holy Book. I don't want to really get into my religious beliefs, but I do believe in God, and I think that everyone should think for themselves, and not just go by everything the Holy book says to, I think people who go to church or whatnot shoud listen to what their church leader says and then kind of pick it apart in their mind and see what they think about it. I am not into organized religion, I will just tell you that, BUT we cannot base this country on one religion. There is too much diversity in this country, and no way that we could say "This country is a christian country" even if it seems most citizens lean towards Christianity. This is supposed to be a country that seperates Church and the Government, but having such things as Homosexuality Marriage illegal is not seperating the Church from the Government. Bringing your own beliefs into governement is not going to work. While you (just saying "you" in general) may disagree with homosexuality, that doesn't mean the rest of the world does and ( I hate to use this world) it would be unfair to ban homosexuals from marrying, it is unfair, and I know everything in this world isn't fair, but I don't get what is so wrong with homosexuals marrying. It doesn't effect anyone but themselves, it doesn't hurt anyone, it won't tear about your marriage, we (homosexuals and bisexuals) just want to be happy, we (again, kind of speaking for homosexuals and bisexuals, not trying to stereotype all, just kinda state general idea) just want equal rights and to be treated equally.

That's all I really have to say for now, I am sure it will get picked apart, as my debates always do all across the wonderful world of the internet...have fun.


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Posts: 3 | Posted: 2:57 PM on February 21, 2004 | IP
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How can some of you honestly sit there and say that homosexuals "chose" their sexuality? Do you honestly believe that? Because if you do, I'd really like to know what your logic is.


Homosexuals did not choose their sexuality anymore than heterosexuals chose theirs. I did not make a concious decision to be straight. Can you honestly say that if you just "chose" to, you could be just as physically and emotionally attracted to someone of the same sex, as you are now towards the opposite sex? I highly doubt it. I can't even force myself to be attracted to certain people who are of the opposite sex, let alone the same sex! It's nearly impossible.

Think about it. If people could really choose their sexuality, why wouldn't everyone just choose to be straight? Why take the harder path in life, when you can just switch over and take the easier one? Why choose something so widely discriminated against? Why choose something that would involve you fighting for marriage rights, when you can just "choose" to love someone of the opposite sex, and get married that way instead? Why choose something that not everyone accepts or understands? I'll tell you why - because they didn't choose it!

Homosexuals did NOT choose their sexuality anymore than you chose yours, or I chose mine. Both biology and general common sense have proved that. And if you think otherwise, then I would really like to know your logic.

And I really do hate to bring religion into it, but. That being said, what other logical answer is there aside from that God created them to be that way? He created heterosexuals to be that way - why not homosexuals? I do not see homosexuality as unnatural or unnormal at all. I think homosexuality balances heterosexuality out, as a natural form of birth or population control. And I think that's what God intended, regardless of what the Bible says. Just because something has not been accepted yet does not make it wrong. [size=null]
 


Posts: 3 | Posted: 04:07 AM on February 23, 2004 | IP
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Here is an idea. From my understanding, the gays have been doing civil unions which is not a marriage. Marriage was created by religion, and the civil union does not conduct a religious ceremony. Why not have a civil union certificate which grants the couples the benefits which they so desire. making it seperate from marriage.  It is the bible thumbers who are totally against gays, and they have no right to. Where are they to judge! So if gays are not getting married in the house of God and even God is not mentioned in the ceremony, then what is the big deal with two people putting a seal on their commitment? They are who they are and nobody can change it.
 


Posts: 3 | Posted: 5:35 PM on March 4, 2004 | IP
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I'm not gay, but I am tired of religion being stuffed in everyone's faces. I say let people do what they want to do instead of being told what they can't do!
 


Posts: 4 | Posted: 1:10 PM on March 10, 2004 | IP
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I say that gay marriages are not real marriages. I mean, the bible says it's a sin. That's why Sodom and Gomorrah was destroyed. Two members of the same sex cannot have real intercourse. It's not real. You shouldn't be attracted to someone of your same sex. If you are, you have some psychological problems. The truth hurts.


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Posts: 2 | Posted: 7:34 PM on April 5, 2004 | IP
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Quote from Truth Hurts at 7:34 PM on April 5, 2004 :I say that gay marriages are not real marriages. I mean, the bible says it's a sin. That's why Sodom and Gomorrah was destroyed. Two members of the same sex cannot have real intercourse. It's not real. You shouldn't be attracted to someone of your same sex. If you are, you have some psychological problems. The truth hurts.


Why don't you fight to ban the inter-religion marriage when your Bible clearly condemn it? It's utterly hypocritical for you to accept inter-religion couples and then condem same-sex couples. If you just want to follow words in the book literally and forget about using your own intellect, then you must accept slavery, child labor, domestic abuse, stoning a person to death for adultery, and a number of other horrific things once accepted by Christians. Why do you use Scripture in the case of homosexuality alone when other inconvenient references are dismissed? Who are you to think you have the right to rule gays by your hypocritical standard?



 


Posts: 14 | Posted: 12:32 PM on April 27, 2004 | IP
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Quote from Exxoss at 4:00 PM on September 24, 2002 :
People also take christianity too seriously.  We shouldnt have to swear on the bible, or have 'in god we trust' on our coins, or even have 'one nation under god' in the pledge.  Seperation of church and state, hello???  Since when was christianity the basis of our governement?  It never was, or at least should have been.  What if satan is really 'god' and god is satan, just fmore popular?  Then all you christians are going to hell!! no offense... but still, religion is nothing that can be proven, as anything else.


Look into your history about seperation of church and state. If you are at all smart you will find that seperation of church and state is defined as the government staying out of the churchs business, but not the church staying out of the government. It speration of church and state were as you thought we would be breaking multiple laws, i.e. "One Nation Under God", In God we trust...etc.

Quote from Lost at 4:00 PM on September 24, 2002 : If they wanna get married, fine. I see no reason why they shouldn't be able to. They have the same rights anyone else does.


They absolutely have the same rights to get married, marriage is defined as a man and a woman with a legal bond. Who denied them the right to marry?

Quote from Guestat 4:00 PM on September 24, 2002 :who gets to define what marriage is? I say it's in the eye of the beholder, and nobody, certainly not religious extremists, have the right to restrict it to themselves.


The bible defines marriage, and it was created before anyone else could even say what it was. You don't argue the inventor as to what to call his invention, he will call, and define his invention as he likes.




 


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Quote from AlexanderTheGreat at 12:15 PM on October 17, 2002 :
I'm sorry, who defines marriage as a union between a man and a woman??? You think too little. That is a statement predicated on religious belief. That is not a logical argument at all. Definitions change. It's called progress. Try to think of an argument against gay marriage, and then post it. Thanks, come again.



Your certainly right, the bible does define marriage. Not only does it define it, but it is the creator of marriage. Like I said before, don't argue with the inventor as to how to define his invention.
 


Posts: 20 | Posted: 10:09 PM on May 6, 2004 | IP
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Quote from Guest at 09:31 AM on October 28, 2002 :
homosexuality is not a sin nor is it imoaral.  please fully ex0plore

http://www.ufmcc.com/notsin/notsin.htm



You explore it more, in the bible.

 


Posts: 20 | Posted: 10:10 PM on May 6, 2004 | IP
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Your certainly right, the bible does define marriage. Not only does it define it, but it is the creator of marriage.


There have been older documents than the Bible found to include marriage.  The Bible wasn't the creator of marriage.

If you are at all smart you will find that seperation of church and state is defined as the government staying out of the churchs business, but not the church staying out of the government.


This is ridicule.  It has no place in a debate forum.  If you were to look into the history of seperation of church and state, it does too include the church staying out of government.  That is what seperation is for!  The government cannot make any law against a "religion".  With in the same context, "religion" cannot influence government as it would be making a law based on religion, thus making laws against other religions.  So, yes the seperation goes both ways.

Also, Church is used as religious organizations.  It is not ONLY the Christian church, but the many other religions as well.  

"One nation under God." "In God we trust."


These do not refer to the Christian God or any other religious GOD.  God is used as a symbol of a higher power.  Do some research on the topic.  We aren't breaking any laws.  It's people perceptions of those words that are causing the ruccus.

They absolutely have the same rights to get married, marriage is defined as a man and a woman with a legal bond.


Federally, there is no definition of marriage.  In the dicitionary, it is also defined as a union between two people of the same sex.

Who denied them the right to marry?


They are not denying them the right to marry, they are denying them the right of whom they want to marry!  We are not a culture where our government decides whom we marry.
 


Posts: 73 | Posted: 11:30 PM on May 8, 2004 | IP
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I really dont care what they call it union or marriage. I also don't care what other people think about it or me for being gay.

But if my boyfriend (whom i have been with and loved for almost 5 years) is in the hospital and i cant go see him because i am not family or his wife, best believe i will be raising all sorts of holy f***ing hell.
 


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Marriage IS a religious term - agreed.  So keep your term and let's call it something different...Are we debating over the use of the term marriage and its sacred use as a form of union between a man and a woman, or are we debating about the rights of any two people the wish to be protected in our society under its laws and benefits?

Well, majority does rule (theoretically), as we will see in the near future - but this will NOT change the fact that a growing portion of our society will continue to create alternative family structures with or without the support of the "greater" masses.  

The idea of "protecting the American family" by governmental policy?  I think not...


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Posts: 1 | Posted: 10:07 PM on July 13, 2004 | IP
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you know what the first Nuremburg law was. No Jew could marry a non Jew. Seems oddly familiar to this topic. Once we take away their marriage will it stop there? Will it turn into, Gays cannot have jobs, they cannot go to school, they have no rights, they must live in ghettos, and finally there may be an extermination of all homosexuals... The holocaust probably seemed impossible before it happened. Always look for the connections of the past.


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Posts: 121 | Posted: 7:30 PM on June 6, 2005 | IP
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Quote from admin at 6:26 PM on May 1, 2002 :
Do you support legalized Gay Marriage?

http://www.youdebate.com/DEBATES/gay_marriage.HTM

(Edited by  %1034118689%.)


Yes I do. Homosexuals, bisexuals and transsexuals must have the same rights as heterosexuals. Hating and discriminating someone for being Homosexual, bisexual or transsexual is like hating a Jew for being a Jew or hating a black for being a black or a cat for being a cat.





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Posts: 68 | Posted: 12:06 AM on June 22, 2005 | IP
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gay marriage is a misunderstood issue. most ppl dont know that gay marriage is something the person doesnt really have a choice
 


Posts: 22 | Posted: 1:46 PM on July 5, 2005 | IP
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Wuts up homedogs! I think that it is okay for people to have same sex marriages. If they really love eachother than they should have the right to marry eachother. Even though I personally dont like gay people. Thats not my problem.


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