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First off, if you just say it is or isnt a choice please do NOT post here: this is a debate over whether it is or is not. Debates includes opinions AND reasons. Also please DO NOT include religon in this unless there is  absolutely no other way to explain it. its about what YOU think, not what your religon thinks

Personally i believe being gay is indeed NOT a choice, HOWEVER, it is not your genes, it is however who you are. It's just the way you are. Genes are not mental, they are physical. It cannot be described in any other way besides who you are besides its just your nature. If i am wrong however and it is a choice (which i believe it is not!) then so must heterosexuallity because nature would dictate it impossible to be anything but straight. You can't go against nature, so it's impossible to be gay according to those who say straight is natural, but gay is not.

Also i ask, that no one include whether they are gay or straight because i have a feeling that if this is told someone will step out of line causing feelings to be hurt, tempers to flare, and so on. HOWEVER I F YOU CHOOSE TO IGNORE THIS REQUEST AND/OR DO NOT AGREE/LIKE IT, THEN FEEL FREE AND STATE IT ANYWAY. The thing i just metioned in THIS paragraph is something i REALLY want to be proved wrong about.

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Religon=Opium of the Masses, except for Buddhism, thats about inner peace.

F.Y.I. to the Catholics/Christians...JESUS SAID LOVE ALL EQUALLY, HE NEVER SAID GAY PEOPLE ARE THE EXCEPTION!!!

IN AMERICA RELIGON IS NOT A GOOD REASON FOR ANY LAW!!! Period.

The idea of marriage was made in a time where being gay would be a good reason to torture you to death.

Before you say it im straight, but believe it or not im also, God forbid, tolerant.

If being gay is a choice then you accept being straight is too.

If God existed and couldn't accept gay people because he doesn't like them (guess where sins come from!) then he's imposing HIS beliefs on YOU!

If you aren't religous you can still be moral.

Where in the Bible does it say being gay is wrong, cuz if it wasnt in the first draft whats the big deal. Yes the Bible HAS been revised.

Race-does not matter
Religon-does not matter
Sex-does not matter
Sexuality-shouldn't have to matter, cuz it's not like whites don't befriend blacks , Christians don't befriend aetheists, and Men dont befriend Women, so...why make being straight or gay matter? Wanna know what does matter? We're alive. Shouldn't that be more than enough?
 


Posts: 12 | Posted: 02:16 AM on July 17, 2006 | IP
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OK, I'll bite. For me and 99% of the gay people I've talked to, we were born gay. Choosing to live a life where you are considered the odd-ball, persecuted by most religions, stoned in some, would not be a wise choice. For us to live the straight life, (which is possible)would be as uncomfortable for us, as it would be for you to choose to live a gay life. Sounds absurd? Think about it. On the other hand I have talked to gays that have chosen the life because they feel they have been royally been screwed by they're ex's. The success of those relationships is often no more successful than the straight relationships. Character flaws or the attraction to them, being the issue.  


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Homosexuality is most likely a genetic "disorder". I wouldn't call it a disorder but you catch my drift.


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Posts: 51 | Posted: 3:55 PM on May 9, 2007 | IP
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Choosing to live a life where you are considered the odd-ball, persecuted by most religions, stoned in some, would not be a wise choice.

I agree.  That's why there are no rapists, murderers, thieves....


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"Thou believest that God is one; thou does well: the demons also believe, and shudder." James 2:19 - Belief is never enough.
 


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Quote from EMyers at 5:45 PM on May 9, 2007 :
Choosing to live a life where you are considered the odd-ball, persecuted by most religions, stoned in some, would not be a wise choice.

I agree.  That's why there are no rapists, murderers, thieves....


Well there is benefit in that, and you can hide the fact that you steal or rape by night. Homosexuality, there really is no benefit.

When did you decide to be straight anyways?


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Posts: 51 | Posted: 4:16 PM on May 10, 2007 | IP
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Same time I decided not to be a pedophile, necrophile, bestial(not sure what the noun is for that one), etc.


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i do believe that being gay or not being stright, in general is NOT a choice. it is, in my opion, a part of a whole which one has to fill in. also, it is not a chance. rather, a life to be lived by one is destined to play that role.
 


Posts: 5 | Posted: 2:11 PM on May 21, 2007 | IP
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Quote from EMyers at 6:48 PM on May 10, 2007 :
Same time I decided not to be a pedophile, necrophile, bestial(not sure what the noun is for that one), etc.


And that was when exactly?

I wish people would stop implying that pedophilia, necrophilia, bestiality, etc. are in any way analogous to homosexuality.

Heterosexuality, homosexuality and bisexuality are base or primary sexualities, while any other tendancies or fetishes are secondary and unrelated.

Frankly, if none of us can remember when we "decided" to "become" whatever sexuality we may be, then we can only reason from the evidence that sexuality is in fact not a choice, and hence that homosexuality is not one either.  


 


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And so it continues... take a lesson from history.  Look at the varous "empires" that have existed.  Look at their downfalls (Roman is a prime example).  Start out and everything is normal.  Then there is usually some sort of sexual revolution where monogamous husband/wife relatonships are all of a sudden not the only "right" way to do things.  Different types of sex are slowly considered acceptable.  This is usually followed by a homosexual revolution.  The natural order of tab a fits into slot b is no longer the "only natural way".  Sure, tab a won't fit into tab a without alot of pain involved and slot b and slot b won't do a whole lot by themselves, but we'll figure something out, won't we?  When that is accepted and people get used to it then other deviancies will no longer seem quite so odd.  Morality no longer exists and it's pretty much everybody for themselves.  You see, you think I'm closed-minded because I believe the whole tab a/slot b thing makes a whole lot of sense.  You don't consider a/a b/b a/b/b b/a/b etc... to be immoral.  On the other hand, Mr. tab a/slot baaa (yes, that's a sheep joke) thinks you're closed-minded.  After all, he has a tab a and the sheep has a slot b so the way he's looking at it it's more normal than what you accept.  You keep saying they aren't alike, but all the deviants out there are voting on your side because they see how close the "accepted" line is and if we can just get society to accept that God created (or better yet, let's get them to quit believing in God) tab a to somehow go together with tab a then it's only a hop skip and a jump to "do whatever makes you feel good".  After all, history shows us that most every nation gets to that point eventually (usually right before they collapse).  

"You've got to stand for something or you'll fall for anything"  Have you fallen for the "it's perfectly natural" line?  


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The question is whether homosexuality is a choice or not. Whether the feelings that one person has for another of the same sex are a choice or not - whether these are natural or not. They are. They have to be, otherwise they wouldn't exist.

Now, whether sex between a homosexual couple is "natural" or not is irrelevant - it is something we must accept as a way for them to express these feelings. The reason why we should accept it is the fact that it hurts no one.

Pedophilia, necrophilia and bestiality hurt people or animals, hence they should not be accepted as legitimate practices. Sex between a homosexual couple, on the otherhand, makes at least two people happy and hurts no one whatsoever. Hence, society should back off and allow them to express their feelings.
 


Posts: 292 | Posted: 12:05 AM on June 21, 2007 | IP
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Well, at least you and I agree that it is a choice.


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The practice is, the state of being is not. Just like heterosexuality. And just like heterosexuals, homosexuals have the right to express their sexuality in a physical way.
 


Posts: 292 | Posted: 07:05 AM on June 22, 2007 | IP
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besides gender, everything is a choice.


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One cannot choose ones feelings, including those that dictate who one is attracted to.

One can choose to act on these feelings, but as acting on homosexual feelings hurts as many people as acting on heterosexual feelings does, no one has the right to condemn homosexuals for acting on their feelings.



 


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A gay can choose not to commit gay acts just like a normal man can choose not to cheat on his spouse.


 


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Or have sexual relations with his spouse?
 


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