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JimDoe

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Hi everybody,
For those of you who believe that gay marriage is a sin and should not be made legal.
Do you believe that all sins should be made unlawful?
 


Posts: 5 | Posted: 5:22 PM on July 18, 2006 | IP
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Most are or have been.  As the morality of the country has declined, many of these laws have been "taken off the books".  In another hundred years or so, pretty much everything will be "ok" in America.


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Posts: 1287 | Posted: 7:28 PM on July 18, 2006 | IP
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Correct me if I'm wrong
but isn't masturbation, shaving, divorce, premarital sex, adultery, and buddhism considered a sin?

Do you believe that there should be laws against these things.
 


Posts: 5 | Posted: 9:13 PM on July 18, 2006 | IP
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As I said, most sins have been against the law and I had no problem when they were.  Premarital sex has been against the law in America.  Adultery has been against the law.  Couldn't find your masturbation or shaving references in the New Testament.  I'll keep looking.  Divorce is a sin.  Most people who get married take an OATH that states until death do us part.  Last I know, it is against the law to break a contract (conveniently, no one applies this to marriage).  And thought I'm no expert on buddhism, I didn't think they even worshipped a god.  Would it upset me if these things were against the law?  Wouldn't affect me in the least.  Let's not forget that cohabitation and sodomy are on or have been on the books as being illegal in most states within the past decade or so.  Nobody bothers to enforce it though.  Nobody enforces the speed limit in front of my house either, but it doesn't keep speeding on it from being illegal.


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Posts: 1287 | Posted: 10:05 PM on July 18, 2006 | IP
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Thank you for your response EMyers guy.

So just to make things clear, you would not be bothered if practicing buddhism or some other religion you do not believe in were made illegal?


PS just a random thought:
Would it bother you if we made murder legal?

Suppose if we were to make murder legal and in doing so it would somehow decrease the murder rate forever.

Would it bother you then?
 


Posts: 5 | Posted: 01:42 AM on July 19, 2006 | IP
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That was random


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Posts: 1287 | Posted: 08:03 AM on July 19, 2006 | IP
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So I take it you don't hate gays right?
You seem like a compassionate guy who just doesn't want the government to encourage gay activities, which would cause more people to go to hell right?
 


Posts: 5 | Posted: 2:36 PM on July 19, 2006 | IP
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What does making murder legal have to do with making cohabitation illegal (or at least enforcing the laws that already exist)?  I'm not following.


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Posts: 1287 | Posted: 6:18 PM on July 19, 2006 | IP
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They have nothing to do in common I just thought this was a good oppurtunity to get to know you better Emyers guy.

btw...

1. Do you believe that ALL sins should be made against the law (including practicing other religions)? Why?

2. If making a sin against the law would somehow encourage the sin should we abolish it?

3. If making a sin against the law would neither encourage it nor discourage it would you care whether or not the law gets passed?

4. If legalizing gay marriage would have no effect on whether or not people "choose" to be gay, would you care if gay marriage gets legalized? Why?


 


Posts: 5 | Posted: 7:15 PM on July 19, 2006 | IP
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1)  Considering that both Jews and Christians already consider those things (what God considers sin) to be against the law, it wouldn't affect us.  Only atheists need be concerned on whether or not a governmental law touches upon a subject.

2)  How can a law encourage the breaking of it?

3)  I answer to God.  

4)  Legalizing gay marriage is basically condoning it.  I don't condone sin in any form.


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Hi all,
JimDoe, all the answers to your questions are written in the bible, I think this is not the response that your looking for, all the same thats were they are.
 


Posts: 1 | Posted: 03:43 AM on July 25, 2006 | IP
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[color=fuchsia]   Well if gay marriage is illegal, then all sins definitely should be. It's only fair.


I'm for gay marriage though. It should be legal.


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Posts: 1 | Posted: 2:09 PM on August 14, 2006 | IP
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Let's see.  Murder.  check.  Rape.  check.  Incest.  check.   Lying.  covered under a variety of topics, but check.  Stealing.  check.  Most sins are already (or have been in the past) illegal.  


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Posts: 1287 | Posted: 8:56 PM on August 14, 2006 | IP
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This is a "much ado about nothing" thread.

If I want to be a law-abiding American then I should follow the Constitution as best I can.

If I want to be a good Christian, then I should follow the 10 commandments as best I can.

Last I checked, following all 10 commandments doesn't violate any of the laws in the Constitution.  Likewise, abiding by the Constitution doesn't violate any of the commandments.
 


Posts: 162 | Posted: 12:30 PM on October 29, 2006 | IP
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Actually, no Christian "follows" the Ten Commandments.  Try reading the New Testament.  And as an American I can follow the Constitution to a T and still be guilty of many infractions against the law.


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I believe that the Holy Bible should be the basis for all laws. I am not however happy about the Idea of adding more laws to our society.


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If the bible were the basis, we'd have less laws.


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Sound like a good idea, at least you wouldn't need a degree in law just to make sure you weren't braking forty laws by planting a tree on you yard.


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Posts: 681 | Posted: 10:44 PM on January 10, 2007 | IP
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Don't get me started on home owner's agreements....  (or "covenants" depending on where you live)


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There was one family that had shaken on an agreement with a government official in the turn of the century, for the right to live in on this mountain. Now the government has taken away their home.


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Quote from SilverStar at 3:25 PM on January 10, 2007 :
I believe that the Holy Bible should be the basis for all laws. I am not however happy about the Idea of adding more laws to our society.



Well you would, wouldn't you? What if I said I think the Four Noble Truths and the Noble Eightfold Path, two very important texts to Buddhists (which do also occupy this country, by the way), should be the basis for laws?

This country was founded on ideas of liberty and justice, and it has grown tremendously in its acceptance of other people. The United States has no official language; it has no official religion; people are free to lead whatever life they choose; why should your religion's text be the one to base laws off of? Because you "know" it's right?

The point is, religion has absolutely no place in politics. We need to look at one another as human beings and understand that we all deserve the same rights and no one has the right to take those from us.

It seems like the only arguments I'm getting are either repetitious entries from the bible, or ridiculously ignorant statements with virtually no foundation. Give me something better.
 


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"The point is, religion has absolutely no place in politics."

That's like saying science has no place in politics.  Or the economy has no place in politics.  Or human rights has no place in politics.


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No one religion should ever be able to dictate political decisions. Laws cannot and should not be based on what Christianity says is right and wrong, as that may not be the best way for society to function.
 


Posts: 292 | Posted: 05:36 AM on January 27, 2007 | IP
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Let's say for a moment that you believe in God.  Let's say that God created everything and has told us what is right and wrong.  Now let's say that you are saying that we should never base our decisions on what is right or wrong.  Oh wait, that is what you are saying.  Nevermind.


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Quote from Esais at 10:19 PM on January 25, 2007 :
Quote from SilverStar at 3:25 PM on January 10, 2007 :
I believe that the Holy Bible should be the basis for all laws. I am not however happy about the Idea of adding more laws to our society.



Well you would, wouldn't you? What if I said I think the Four Noble Truths and the Noble Eightfold Path, two very important texts to Buddhists (which do also occupy this country, by the way), should be the basis for laws?

This country was founded on ideas of liberty and justice, and it has grown tremendously in its acceptance of other people. The United States has no official language; it has no official religion; people are free to lead whatever life they choose; why should your religion's text be the one to base laws off of? Because you "know" it's right?

The point is, religion has absolutely no place in politics. We need to look at one another as human beings and understand that we all deserve the same rights and no one has the right to take those from us.

It seems like the only arguments I'm getting are either repetitious entries from the bible, or ridiculously ignorant statements with virtually no foundation. Give me something better.



If we were to fallow Buddhist laws than there would be less crime.


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