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Poll Question: Concerning homosexuality, which most closely resembles your beliefs?   (24 votes)
  Nothing wrong with it; gays should have the right to marry and adopt. n/a
  Homosexuality is wrong; but they should still have the right to marry and adopt. n/a
  Homosexuality is wrong; gays should not have the right to marry and adopt. n/a
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i guess orthodox and conservative Jews are the ones who strictly follow the Torah


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Posts: 971 | Posted: 11:54 AM on January 5, 2003 | IP
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The comment about children being made fun of / having emotional damage:

To the people saying that it will have no effect: C'mon, be reasonable! It will have some effect on the kid! Someone, sometime, will make fun of them for it. I'm not saying that logicaly leads to them not being allowed to adapt - but to say it has absolutely no effect is ridiculous. I've been made fun of for much smaller oddities in my parents.

To the people saying that this should make gay parents not allowed to adapt: The reasoning behind that is just plain silly. Should an overweight couple not be allowed to adapt because the child will be mocked for their parents' weight? Should a Jewish couple not be allowed to adapts since the child will enivatably face some mean people because of their religion?
 


Posts: 122 | Posted: 10:41 PM on January 6, 2003 | IP
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I am not saying they won't be mocked. I am saying that they won't be mocked necessarily more than anyone else, and it won't have a lasting, negative impact (anymore than any other teasing).


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Posts: 789 | Posted: 3:42 PM on January 7, 2003 | IP
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Quote from Broker at 11:07 PM on December 31, 2002 :
That's obviously a factor, but who can honestly say that there will be no emotional effect on a child? Can any of you honestly say that? Studies and opinions don't always mean much...I think all of us know that. Pay your expert and they will say anything you want. We all refer to studies, yes, but those studies don't allways mean much and are moreover backing for our argument. If I had some money I could get any number of experts to say anything I wanted them to say.  You all know how much a child in such a situation would have to endure. Put yourself in the situation, no matter what your view. Do you honestly think that you won't have to endure more emotional trauma?

On reverting to a normal lifestyle: let's just say I saw a percentage in a study... lol

Do you know how small the estimate is for animals with those tendencies? I'll post here what I posted somewhere else:

Do most animals have free will? Most scientists don't think so. Animals are guided by instinct, so it must be a genetic glitch or confusion that causes them to exibit such behaviors. The main purpose of animals usually is to reproduce, so what sense would it make for them to exibit those tendencies?

The reason why there are men and women is so that they can make more men and women. Be it genetic mistake or confusion, the said behavior wouldn't make sense occurring in nature, would it?



Reproduction and sexuality are not the same thing. How do you feel about single men or single women adopting children? Or what about a women who is inacapble of having children to adopt? Surely it is not natural for a women with failing reproductive organs to have a child.
Face it, your opinions are based on irrational fears and prejudices.

 


Posts: 0 | Posted: 7:58 PM on January 9, 2003 | IP
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Wow,
This is what is wrong with our world today.  We all seem to think that "soceital" laws overrule God's laws.  I will surely unleash the backlash of all the "other" religions out there with this but, READ YOUR BIBLE!  It clearly states that same sex relationships are HUGE SIN!  I will also add that ANY sex outside of marriage is ALSO a sin!  This won't win me any friends, but it is the truth.  Sex was a gift from God reserved for the sancticty of marriage.  God said to love the person, but hate the sin.  I don't hate gays, but do hate the sinful lifestyle.  The BIGGER issue however is SEXUAL sin.  Just think if there was NO sex outside the marriage.  No teen pregnancy, no single moms raising unwanted kids, prisons wouldn't be so overrun (statistics prove that the majority of prisoners came from single moms) sexual disease would be non-existent, ( Can you imagine... NO AIDS), and the list goes on.  One thing is sure;  someday every knee will bow, every tongue will confees that Christ is Lord.

 


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not me. I'll burn in hell first. I have a commitment to justice that isn't superseding by anything or one, mortal or eternal.


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Posts: 789 | Posted: 11:38 AM on January 18, 2003 | IP
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We live in a country that has decided to treat everone as equal and after the simple laws from the bible that keep our society together (murder, stealing) we then based laws on equality, not on god. Sorry, but that's how it is. On the other hand, there are other nations that do believe that gods law is the law that all must follow. Maybe you should move there. (I'm not trying to be rude, but, if you want a society where people base all laws off god, America aint the place.)
 


Posts: 122 | Posted: 1:37 PM on January 18, 2003 | IP
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Quote from Broker at 8:34 PM on December 30, 2002 :

I see those people more as confused... there aren't many animals on Earth that have such tendencies. I seem to recall reading somewhere that most of them get married and become normal people later in life.

Marriage is an institution between a man and a woman, not a man and a man or a woman and a woman.

I didn't say the behavior shouldn't be legal, I said they shouldn't be allowed to marry or expose children to the lifestyle.

Marriage I could see movement on, but not the adoption issuse. I agree with gum girl that only a man and a woman are meant to have children. Any child living in such an arrangement would probably have a lot of emotional issues as a result of early childhood. They'd probably be ostracized from people in normal situations in a public environment. Again, I don't think something should be made to seem acceptable when it is not to most people.



How remarkably narrow!

OK, let's start...

1)  I was married for 9 years.  I have 3 beautiful children ranging from 3 - 10 years old.

Then I came out of the closet.  I'm gay.

Sound like the life cycle you're talking about?  Not quite.  

The FACT is that most gays NEVER "convert" to the heterosexual orientation.  Besides, who are you to tell me that YOUR way, the HETERO way, is the only NORMAL way to be?

Let's not make the mistake of calling homosexuality a "lifestyle".  I don't live any differently from what I did before I came out.  I have a quiet life, a nice home, a loving partner, a good income, and wonderful children.  I don't go out to the bars (I hate the bar scene) and I don't sleep around on my partner because I love him and am his exclusively, just as I was (admittedly miserably) faithful to my ex-wife... though I wanted to be with a man while I was married, I was faithful to her nonetheless, and I am ultimately thankful for that, because I can still look myself in the mirrot every day with respect.

As for marriage, marriage has two facets.  One is religious, one is legal.

If your church doesn't want to support gay marriages, fine.  I'll find one that will, and there are plenty.  I can always go to my local MMC.  

Legally, we have here in the U.S. something called Separation of Church and State.  That means that the givernment is not supposed to give a rat's butt what you believe, just give you the freedom to believe it.  The government doesn't have the right to discriminate under the Equal Protection clause of the Fourteenth Amendment... and that is ultimately how we gays WILL gain our right to marry. It is already happening in legal precedents across the nation.  

As for children... like I said, I have three, and they're very accepting of me and my partner.  My oldest is very intelligent for his years, and he like my partner quite well.  My middle boy is 5 and understands somewhat, and he doesn't care one way or the other.  He likes my partner also.  

In fact, they go to school with a child who comes from a gay household.  The child is very well-adjusted and kind.  He is well-dressed, well-groomed, well-mannered, and obviously well-cared-for.  His parents are very respected in the community there in Portsmouth, NH... one is a doctor and one is a lawyer.  Both keep very "normal" hours given their professions, keeping their work schedules such that the lawyer works from home and the doctor is always home by 6:00 for dinner and homework time.  Sounds pretty normal to me...

So that's the perspective of a formerly married gay man with three kids.

Let the replied commence!

Jack in Syracuse

 


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Quote from hooyah at 02:05 AM on December 24, 2002 :
Let's hear what everyone thinks about gay rights.



They have the right to stay in the closet, the right to not be seen, the RIGHT to stay the fuck away from my son, the RIGHT not to touch me or talk to me or come anywhere near me, and they have to 25% off of vaseline, so they can GET BACK into the closet and let straight society continue on it's usual business!

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Quote from Guest at 01:02 AM on January 23, 2003 :
Quote from Broker at 8:34 PM on December 30, 2002 :

I see those people more as confused... there aren't many animals on Earth that have such tendencies. I seem to recall reading somewhere that most of them get married and become normal people later in life.

Marriage is an institution between a man and a woman, not a man and a man or a woman and a woman.

I didn't say the behavior shouldn't be legal, I said they shouldn't be allowed to marry or expose children to the lifestyle.

Marriage I could see movement on, but not the adoption issuse. I agree with gum girl that only a man and a woman are meant to have children. Any child living in such an arrangement would probably have a lot of emotional issues as a result of early childhood. They'd probably be ostracized from people in normal situations in a public environment. Again, I don't think something should be made to seem acceptable when it is not to most people.



How remarkably narrow!

OK, let's start...

1)  I was married for 9 years.  I have 3 beautiful children ranging from 3 - 10 years old.

Then I came out of the closet.  I'm gay.

Sound like the life cycle you're talking about?  Not quite.  

The FACT is that most gays NEVER "convert" to the heterosexual orientation.  Besides, who are you to tell me that YOUR way, the HETERO way, is the only NORMAL way to be?

Let's not make the mistake of calling homosexuality a "lifestyle".  I don't live any differently from what I did before I came out.  I have a quiet life, a nice home, a loving partner, a good income, and wonderful children.  I don't go out to the bars (I hate the bar scene) and I don't sleep around on my partner because I love him and am his exclusively, just as I was (admittedly miserably) faithful to my ex-wife... though I wanted to be with a man while I was married, I was faithful to her nonetheless, and I am ultimately thankful for that, because I can still look myself in the mirrot every day with respect.

As for marriage, marriage has two facets.  One is religious, one is legal.

If your church doesn't want to support gay marriages, fine.  I'll find one that will, and there are plenty.  I can always go to my local MMC.  

Legally, we have here in the U.S. something called Separation of Church and State.  That means that the givernment is not supposed to give a rat's butt what you believe, just give you the freedom to believe it.  The government doesn't have the right to discriminate under the Equal Protection clause of the Fourteenth Amendment... and that is ultimately how we gays WILL gain our right to marry. It is already happening in legal precedents across the nation.  

As for children... like I said, I have three, and they're very accepting of me and my partner.  My oldest is very intelligent for his years, and he like my partner quite well.  My middle boy is 5 and understands somewhat, and he doesn't care one way or the other.  He likes my partner also.  

In fact, they go to school with a child who comes from a gay household.  The child is very well-adjusted and kind.  He is well-dressed, well-groomed, well-mannered, and obviously well-cared-for.  His parents are very respected in the community there in Portsmouth, NH... one is a doctor and one is a lawyer.  Both keep very "normal" hours given their professions, keeping their work schedules such that the lawyer works from home and the doctor is always home by 6:00 for dinner and homework time.  Sounds pretty normal to me...

So that's the perspective of a formerly married gay man with three kids.

Let the replied commence!

Jack in Syracuse





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  I think that gays and lesbians should be able to marry and adopt. There are so many children out there that have been given, taken, and or thrown away like trash. What is the problem in giving them people that will love and cherish them. The only thing that really matters is love and if at least one person gay, lesbian or straight can give that to them them then whats the problem.


I believe that if gays and lesbians are alowed to adopt then there would be less homeless, familyless, loveless children in the world. I believe that something like this although being so small can lead to big things. (Big changes in the world even.) Like reducing the crime rates, ending world hunger, stopping hate and predjudice and mabe, just mabe world peace. What can I say Im a bit of a hippy.

    Straight people should be happy and greatful to be abel to have children and marry one another. Having children is not a right it is a privlage and when one gives up that privlage who is to say who is to love them and who is not. Who is to say that god him self did not put that person being gay, lesbian, or straight, into the life of that child.

Loving one another is the only natural human trait I see because we were all born knowing how to love. Everything else is taught. Think love and peace people. THINK


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Let people do what they want to do, that's my take on the world. I don't think you would like it if they told you that you can't do what you want.
 


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Quote from Broker at 10:08 PM on December 29, 2002 :

most people living in that lifestyle get away from it later in life and become normal people.)



This is the funniest thing I ever heard!!!  Shoe me some evidence of this one.


Just to set you straight,  most gays...stay gay they just become happy old men and women!




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Posts: 29 | Posted: 12:31 AM on September 29, 2004 | IP
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everyone against gay adoption rights...
what if one day you decide that you want to adopt a baby.... but told you that you couldn't because of the color of your skin.... or that you go to the wrong church... maybe its because you have the wrong hair color.... are you getting my point??? you just cant tell someone that they cant adopt a child because of what sex they like! its like telling you everything that i have stated above!!! its just not fair....
 


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The comment I want to make on this seems to have been missed, and I know alot of people will disagree with me here but I belive in humanity not god and the bible.

Many people said thing along the lines of "The children will think that homosexuality isn't wrong"
The only problem with gay adoption is the atitude of heterosexuals that are predjudice against the gay community. If they could acept homosexuality then there wouldn't be a problem with homosexuality.
Homosexual adoption should be made legal to give the message to everybody that homosexuality is aceptable and in time, it will be a reasonably normal ocurance and the amount of bullying about it will subside.


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