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Sorry, but I don't think straight guys should be subjected to the prying eyes of gay men. I would not want to take an open shower with gays or room with a gay. Just like women have a right to separate dorms and washrooms so should straight men have the same right to not give perverted gay men a "peep show." If they can have separate washrooms and dorms for gays, then sure let them serve. But so long as all guys use the same washrooms and room together, then gays should not be allowed in the military. Sorry, but we straight guys have a RIGHT not to be around gays.
 


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What makes you think that all homosexuals are raving perverts anyway?

There is a lesbian that lives down the hall from me, and we share the same bathroom. Anytime anyone's showering, she will leave and only return to shower when the no one else is doing so. Having been around multiple homosexuals, i have found that they will do anything to avoid making others uncomfortable, usually inconveniencing themselves a great deal in the process.

Just because they're different doesn't mean they're perverted.
 


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Quote from punk_sushi at 05:18 AM on January 27, 2003 :
What makes you think that all homosexuals are raving perverts anyway?

There is a lesbian that lives down the hall from me, and we share the same bathroom. Anytime anyone's showering, she will leave and only return to shower when the no one else is doing so. Having been around multiple homosexuals, i have found that they will do anything to avoid making others uncomfortable, usually inconveniencing themselves a great deal in the process.

Just because they're different doesn't mean they're perverted.


Lesbians are DIFFERENT from fags! Let me tell you about some experience people VERY close to me have had with fags. One friend I know was once in the army. Their corporal was caught red-handed with a camera taking pictures of his squad while they were showering. When caught he ADMITTED to being attracted to guys and was booted from the army. One good friend of mine while in university had a gay roommate. And ADMITTED gay roommate. He went to the trouble of making it CLEAR to his roommate he didn't care what his sexual orientation was, so long as he respected the fact he (my friend) was straight. Things were cool for the first half of the year, until one night he awoke to his roommate feeling him up between his legs and playing with his dick. My friend freaked out and went to complain to his housing advisor. And he was accused of lying and being homophobic. My friend moved out of the dorm off campus and was stuck with the bill for the remainder of the year. My friend said the SAME guy later felt up a guy that was his roommate.
My brother in law was molested as a kid by a gay man.

And I can go on and on. Fact remains when I see a naked woman my eyes bulge and I get aroused. I won't molest her or anything, but I cannot help finding her attractive. Knowing this, know straight guy wants some fag drooling over their body! For me fags undressing me with their eyes, is as bad as them actually touching my body. Either way, I would not want to shower in front of a fag or be naked in front of a fag. And I say if straight men are to be FORCED to room or shower with fags in the military, why not go ALL THE WAY and totally desegregate military facilities and have women and men shower together and have men and women rooming together? If the genders should be continued to be kept separate, then it's only right fags should continue to be excluded from the military or they should given their own facilities and fags should room with other fags. Other than that, fags DO NOT belong in the military! I am sorry, Lesbians are decent (although I still do not consider their lifestyle the same as a man-woman COMMITTED relationship), fags are not only unnatural degenerates, they are also animals and beasts that are lower than the most filthy cockroach imaginable!

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The only reason I used a lesbian for my example is because I'm a girl, and it would make much sense for me to say "I ain't never had a gay man molest ME" ... but I've yet to see any homosexuals put on blatant PDAs or run around molesting every straight guy within their line of vision.

Explain to me how lesbians are different.

Now, as far as your friends' experiences with his gay roomate,... so what? Of COURSE there are perverts out there. But it's not specific to one group of people. I can't even count on both my fingers and toes how many girls I know that've either been raped or sexually harrassed in some way by heterosexual males. I have yet to name one person I know that has been attacked in any way by a homosexual. (and, with the exception of you, nobody I've talked to can either)

What woman wants a guy she's not attracted to undressing her with HIS eyes? Of COURSE you wouldn't want a homosexual looking you over. But it doesn't mean that they are.

I have mixed feelings about living conditions with homosexuals in the military, but it is not because i consider them perverts, but because of the obvious complications that arise when trying to section off people with differing sexual orientation.
 


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"The only reason I used a lesbian for my example is because I'm a girl, and it would make much sense for me to say "I ain't never had a gay man molest ME" ... but I've yet to see any homosexuals put on blatant PDAs or run around molesting every straight guy within their line of vision."

That's because not too many straight people encounter gays on a regular basis. And gays are a minority. If gays were a larger percentage of the population, TRUST ME you'd see fags running around groping and molesting straight people.


"Explain to me how lesbians are different."

Lesbians are very respectful. I have seen statistics and woman on girl child molestations are very rare. Indeed, much much MUCH rarer than man on girl or EVEN woman on boy sexual molestations. Lesbians aren't known for going around molesting women. I know of several guys that have been aggressively propositioned by gays or been touched without their consent, but none of my female friends or other females i know have ever experienced such a thing with Lesbians.

"Now, as far as your friends' experiences with his gay roomate,... so what? Of COURSE there are perverts out there. But it's not specific to one group of people."

Gays seem to be the only group of people that DELIBERATELY sexually violate people they KNOW are naturally repulsed by homosexuality! And they take PLEASURE in subjecting heterosexuals to homosexual fondling and touching! Heck, they even WRITE about it in their literature! And that one friend, is not even the tip of the ice berg. I know several people that have been rudely propositioned for gay sex, and when nicely turned down, the gay guy did not seem to take "no thank you" for an answer. Nor did the fag care the fellows in questions were "straight." In the majority of these cases the fag did not touch my fellows, only three guys I know of were actually touched by an aggressive gay pursuer. But the others were followed around. And then there is my brother in law and a guy I knew in university who were raped as kids by "gay identified" adults.

"I can't even count on both my fingers and toes how many girls I know that've either been raped or sexually harrassed in some way by heterosexual males."

Of COURSE it happens more often, since the sex ratio of guys to girls is more or less equal. But if we look at percentages, how come for a people that represent less than 5% of the general population, I know eight guys who have had bad sexual experiences with overly aggressive gay and bi men? Statistically speaking, I should know ZERO people whom have had a bad experience with gays!

"I have yet to name one person I know that has been attacked in any way by a homosexual. (and, with the exception of you, nobody I've talked to can either)"

That's you. I know eight people who were either sexually abused as kids, molested by homosexual peers, or were aggressively pursuid by a homosexual admirer.

"What woman wants a guy she's not attracted to undressing her with HIS eyes?"

There is a BIG difference between a HETEROSEXUAL woman being stared at by an ugly guy, and a HETEROSEXUAL guy being stared at by a HOMOSEXUAL!!! In the former case, the woman is disgusted by her admirer because she finds him disgusting as an INDIVIDUAL who just happens to belong to the opposite sex. In the case of a heterosexual man he is disgusted by a fag looking at him because he's, well, A GUY!!!! The woman is not disgusted by the ugly guy because he's a guy, she's simply disgusted because he's not her type. A better comparison would be a heterosexual guy getting stared at by some big fat pimple faced ugly woman. Frankly, while I find her disgusting because of her appearance, would not feel violated since she is a woman. While I would not want to do anything sexual with me, to me being visually undressed or even groped by an unnattrative woman, can be forgiven and I can live through that. But a guy, it's to me the WORST kind of violation I can fathom! So no, heterosexual pigs CANNOT be compared to fags. Especially when women aren't so innocent either! Ever saw "Fatal Attraction" or "Indecent proposal?" Women can be pigs too, but I don't mind. Men and women are SUPPOSED to be attracted to each other, ESPECIALLY if they are both STRAIGHT!!! But a straight guy and a fag, this is a TOTALLY different ball game altogether. BAD analogy!

"Of COURSE you wouldn't want a homosexual looking you over. But it doesn't mean that they are."

Of COURSE they are! If you have a dick, fags will find you attractive. PERIOD!!!!

"I have mixed feelings about living conditions with homosexuals in the military, but it is not because i consider them perverts, but because of the obvious complications that arise when trying to section off people with differing sexual orientation."

I oppose it because it's a VIOLATION of the right of a heterosexual to privacy! I consider requiring homosexuals to live and shower with straights, to be a WORST violation of the right to privacy, than sticking males and females together. I say keep the gay ban or create separate quarters and facilities for fags! If fags have their oqn squads or battalions and quarters, I see no problem with fags serving in the army.

Heteroman

 


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I happen to know numerous gay people. Gays ARE a minority, but I've been around plenty of them, plus cruising around San Francisco on a regular basis, and I haven't seen anything even remotely similar to the scene you described.

I'd like to see those statistics about lesbians being superior to gay men. Try to use a published source that isn't online. A book or well-respected magazine, if you will.

How would you know what homosexuals take pleasure in if you're (supposedly) not one, nor have spoken on a normal basis with one?

As I've said before, I know more than enough gay/bi men to back up my aforementioned statement. And it's not just me, my sister, who is currently studying in the Netherlands (which has a fairly large homosexual population, considering its liberal stance on the issue) has not seen anything of the sort either. My boyfriend, who has been all over the world with his parents laughed at the absurdity of your statement, and  friends of mine living in Florida, Canada, Australia, and Maine (I e-mailed them all, just to be sure) tell more of the same. I have no idea where the hell you live, but it's certainly unique, as my sources clarify.

By the way, I suppose every single woman that crosses your path, regardless of age, weight, body hair, etc. (including Roseanne Bar, Janet Reno, and Zsa Zsa Gabor) excites you?
 


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Gays in the military? Some universities have co-ed dorms.

I am a heterosexual male. I find that most gays are respectful and will not hit on heterosexual guys. On the other hand, I have had a few gay guys hit on me occasionally. I once had a gay guy put his hand on my thigh. When I politely let the gay guy know that I didn't appreciate being touched, he never bothered me again. Atleast I don't have to worry about being raped. Women have to worry about being raped by heterosexual guys.

Homophobes have caused a lot more trouble for this world than homosexuals ever did. Look at Hitler. He hated homosexuals. He exterminated thousands of homosexuals in his Nazi Death camps. Is that the kind of world you want to live in?











(Edited by gunmyths 1/30/2003 at 11:58 AM).
 


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"I once had a gay guy put his hand on my thigh. When I politely let the gay guy know that I didn't appreciate being touched, he never bothered me again."

SEE!!!! Did he first ASK your permission before putting his hand on your thigh? OBVIOUSLY not! You should not HAD to have asked him "politely" to remove his hand in the FIRST place! If that fag respected you, he would have first asked for your consent. Even if you were gay, what he did to you was not right. When I see a girl I like, I try to get to know her first, before I even THINK about laying a hand on her, and I always make sure it's cool with her first! That right there shows what animals fags are! The fact he did not ask you first if he could put his hand on your thigh, justifies what I've been saying all along!

As for heterosexual rape, give it time and homosexual rape will exceed it. We only need to look at the prison system, where heterosexual male prisoners are hundreds of times more likely to be homosexually raped, than a female prisoner is to be raped either homosexually or heterosexually. That right there SHOWS fags are more violent than heteros when given the chance. Statistics show San Francisco the gay capital of the United States, not only has the nation's highest male rape rate (I am not even including child molestation in this at all), but in San Francisco homosexual rape occurs at a higher rate than heterosexual rape does, if we examine porportion to population stats. While the majority of rapes are still heterosexual, male on male rape occurs at a higher rate than the percentage of homos in the city's population. This shows, fags can't control their sexual urges and DELIBERATELY target heterosexual males!

Heteroman

ps. Hitler was not anti-gay. He was anti-effeminate. Only effiminate gays were interned. Homosexuality was tolerated, so far as the person was not a recipient of sodomy nor was effiminate in behaviour.
 


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I am new to this debate forum and after having read several topics with his opinoins I am a bit confused why anyone is even trying to have a debate with Heteroman.    

Debates, by definition, are where people don't agree.  Some of the historical references and statistics seem very unlikely to me, but if a source was cited, at least I could look for myself.  But using derogatory names - what purpose can this serve?  If you think you are right, it is completely unneccesary.

For the record, I responded to Heteroman privately after reading "Homosexuality is not a choice" and he seemed fairly reasoned there.  
 


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Heteroman, you're obviously ignorant.  Many of the straight men I've known would gladly spy on women in the shower, if given the opportunity.  I don't understand why you think that perverts only come from the gay community.  I see straight men making unwelcome sexual advances on women all the time!  You need to realize that sexual immorality is not an inherently gay characteristic.  It is characteristic of much of American society.  Nobody will ever take anything you have to say seriously unless you educate yourself.  Using inflammatory language and offending people is no way to argue.  Perhaps you should move on from middle school and join the rest of us in the real world.


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Quote from Guest at 2:58 PM on January 28, 2003 :
Quote from punk_sushi at 05:18 AM on January 27, 2003 :
What makes you think that all homosexuals are raving perverts anyway?

There is a lesbian that lives down the hall from me, and we share the same bathroom. Anytime anyone's showering, she will leave and only return to shower when the no one else is doing so. Having been around multiple homosexuals, i have found that they will do anything to avoid making others uncomfortable, usually inconveniencing themselves a great deal in the process.

Just because they're different doesn't mean they're perverted.


Lesbians are DIFFERENT from fags! Let me tell you about some experience people VERY close to me have had with fags. One friend I know was once in the army. Their corporal was caught red-handed with a camera taking pictures of his squad while they were showering. When caught he ADMITTED to being attracted to guys and was booted from the army. One good friend of mine while in university had a gay roommate. And ADMITTED gay roommate. He went to the trouble of making it CLEAR to his roommate he didn't care what his sexual orientation was, so long as he respected the fact he (my friend) was straight. Things were cool for the first half of the year, until one night he awoke to his roommate feeling him up between his legs and playing with his dick. My friend freaked out and went to complain to his housing advisor. And he was accused of lying and being homophobic. My friend moved out of the dorm off campus and was stuck with the bill for the remainder of the year. My friend said the SAME guy later felt up a guy that was his roommate.
My brother in law was molested as a kid by a gay man.

And I can go on and on. Fact remains when I see a naked woman my eyes bulge and I get aroused. I won't molest her or anything, but I cannot help finding her attractive. Knowing this, know straight guy wants some fag drooling over their body! For me fags undressing me with their eyes, is as bad as them actually touching my body. Either way, I would not want to shower in front of a fag or be naked in front of a fag. And I say if straight men are to be FORCED to room or shower with fags in the military, why not go ALL THE WAY and totally desegregate military facilities and have women and men shower together and have men and women rooming together? If the genders should be continued to be kept separate, then it's only right fags should continue to be excluded from the military or they should given their own facilities and fags should room with other fags. Other than that, fags DO NOT belong in the military! I am sorry, Lesbians are decent (although I still do not consider their lifestyle the same as a man-woman COMMITTED relationship), fags are not only unnatural degenerates, they are also animals and beasts that are lower than the most filthy cockroach imaginable!

Heteroman





And for every story you can come up with about a gay man making a pass at or being inappropriate with another man, I can come up with 100 stories of straight men making passes at me, being inappropriate, and being sexually agressive either with me or pretty much every woman I know--gay or straight.  Should we judge straight men the same way you judge gay men?  If so, tear your eyes away from the "Man Show" for about fifteen minutes and admit to the women of the world that they should see all men as sexual predators from whom all women and children have a right not to have to be around.


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Just because you have heard loads of true stories about gay people doing the stuff you mentioned does not mean that ALL gay/lesbians are the same!
 


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I fully agree with the last post.

Although I am against the idea of homosexuality, it is still wrong to be biased against a group for the activity of a minority in said group.

As for Lesbians being more respectful than Gays regarding the rights of others...

Basically, it's a well-known fact that males are sex-oriented(generally) and women are emotionally-oriented(most of the time).

Gay men have sex nearly four times as often as gay women, and are likewise much more likely to make passes at an attractive straight man. Why? Because men have much much stronger sex drives and, sadly, mens' ability to resist that sex drive is much weaker than that of women.

So, it's only natural that gay MEN would be more likely to engage in such perverted(NASTY) behavior.

"We only need to look at the prison system, where heterosexual male prisoners are hundreds of times more likely to be homosexually raped, than a female prisoner is to be raped either homosexually or heterosexually. That right there SHOWS fags are more violent than heteros when given the chance."

Um, okay, yeah. That's one of the worst arguments I've ever heard. Most rapes in the prison system are perpetrated by heterosexual men who are sex-deprived and see it as their only outlet.

It's a proven fact that 90% of male rapes in the US are perpetrated by a straight man against a straight man, and usually the victim is an aquaintance or friend of the rapist.

As for females not getting raped as much, that's again due to my argument up there. Females just don't need sex as badly as men do.

Don't ask me why they don't just masterurbate. I really don't know.

(Edited by Fenixlyonis 11/2/2003 at 9:32 PM).

(Edited by Fenixlyonis 11/2/2003 at 9:35 PM).
 


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Every Example you gave was either second hand or more.
Not one single firsthand example of supposed "gay molestation" what so ever.

"I heard from a friend, who knew this guy..." just doesn't cut it.

"My brother=in=law was molested..." also not credible.

The last one is more of a laugh simply because it has been prooven that most pedophiles are STRAIGHT (HETEROSEXUAL) MALES. They objects of their molestation are usually boys because that is who they have ACCESS to.
Priest molest alter boys, John Wayne Gacy molested his boy-employees.
The other highest group of molesters are usually family members! Gay or straight.

Nine times out of ten, if a child is molested, it's by someone who is HETEROSEXUAL.

So don't even try that junk here. It's not true, proof outweighs your hersey.







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Just as a thought:

It always seems the guy who complains that the gays are looking at him...is really hoping anyone will look at him.


Men are pigs, gay straight doesn't matter.   It is hardwired into the brain with testosterone.   Men think about sex all day.  It was nature way of insuring reproduction.    If a man is horny, he is looking, if a man isn't horny, he is still looking.


Gay men are no more or no less pigs than straight men.   The difference is that gay men are seeking out a partner who is probly thinking about sex as much as him!


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Heteroman, you have a strange way of looking at things, let me start on a positive note, I agree with you that it is wrong to touch someone without their consent, it is just as wrong as eying someone up, or staring at them when they are showering.

But the way you are seeing it is completely refracted in a way that you make Homosexuals ALL look bad, you say that if you have a penis, then a homosexual man will find you attractive, if that is the case, then you must find it easy to identify homosexual men, considering the fact that they will all have an erection, being sexually attracted to all other men, they must find the natural way of life very arousing, all those men...

Let me tell you something that may shock you, not all homosexual men are child molesting perverts that you make them seem to be, if homosexuals are a minority, then why do you think that homosexual men molest and eye up other men more often than heterosexuals do, is it because homosexuals are perverts because the laws of physics make homosexuals perverts, or is it something only a true heterosexual would understand, being a Bisexual, I am very closed minded, and cannot possibly understand anything as trivial as normality. Bigot.

Just out of pure curiosity, is it possible that you can call homosexual men "homosexual men" or at least call them "Gay", calling them fags just makes you look stupid, and demeans your arguement, that's why few people back you up and choose to argue against you, I wouldn't be suprised if you were a Nazi, a member of the Ku Klux Klan and a regular lyncher for homosexuals, whoever gave you these beleifs you are to strong in holding is surely as single-minded as you are, its just ridiculous that there are people out there who would probably have no problem with simply killing a homosexual, my younger brother was attacked on his way home from a gay bar, he was taken to a river, and had his testacles cut off before being stoned, he didn't die from the stoning however, it was the bloodloss that killed him, now I've got to live without my brother for the remainder of my life because some Bigots like you didn't find the idea of him liking other men very nice.


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Um guest, you are one of the stupidest people I have ever heard.  Of cousre all gays are perverted monsters cause you obviously know everything about them, its not like they arent all the same.  By the way, I am being sarcastic, and you are a total idiot.  Do you go around grabbing privates of those you see, you act like gays are aliens, well guess what, they are regular people, grow up.
 


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