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These are statements from the American Psychological Association about homosexuality:

"No, human beings can not choose to be either gay or straight."

"Psychologists, psychiatrists and other mental health professionals agree that homosexuality is not an illness, mental disorder or an emotional problem. Over 35 years of objective, well-designed scientific research has shown that homosexuality, in and of itself, is not associated with mental disorders or emotional or social problems."

"Studies comparing groups of children raised by homosexual and by heterosexual parents find no developmental differences between the two groups of children in four critical areas: their intelligence, psychological adjustment, social adjustment, and popularity with friends. It is also important to realize that a parent's sexual orientation does not dictate his or her children's."

"Another myth about homosexuality is the mistaken belief that gay men have more of a tendency than heterosexual men to sexually molest children. There is no evidence to suggest that homosexuals are more likely than heterosexuals to molest children."

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Posts: 60 | Posted: 01:46 AM on January 21, 2003 | IP
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"No, human beings can not choose to be either gay or straight."

To some degree yes. I believe that some gay people are gay for genetical reasons. Others are STIRED into that lifestyle because a gay adult molested them. A significant number of homosexual men were sexually abused while kids. We all know under certain circumstances human beings can be made to like things they normally would not like. For instance, we've all heard about children abandoned in the wild that live like animals and will even eat bugs and grass for nourishment. A normal human being under normal conditions will not do this as it's not in our nature. A young innocent child molested by an adult may not necessarily become gay. Indeed, the majority of boys sexually molested turn out to be heterosexual and despise the FACT a homosexual experience was FORCED on them against their wills. On the other hand, some victims develop a homosexual orientation. The same way sexually abused girls often turn out to be promiscous or to like aggressive sex. My view is that if a gay person came to the conclusion they are gay as an adolescent or adult without first having had any prior homosexual contact, they were born gay or born with gay tendencies (in the case of bisexuals and predominantly straight bisexuals). But if the gay person was sexually abused as a child, most likely the abuse turned them that way. The very fact homosexuals are hundreds of times more likely to be sexually abused than heterosexuals, shows that while some homosexuals are born gay, others are made. I believe it's both genetical and environmental in the case of those born gay. It's purely environmental in the case of those sexually abused as children.

"Psychologists, psychiatrists and other mental health professionals agree that homosexuality is not an illness, mental disorder or an emotional problem. Over 35 years of objective, well-designed scientific research has shown that homosexuality, in and of itself, is not associated with mental disorders or emotional or social problems."

What about the part where hordes of restless homosexual activists in the United States intimidated the APA to vote in favour of removing homosexuality from the mental illness index? The APA is a spineless organization which was infiltrated by leftists, and was intimidated into changing it's traditional position by radical gay activists!

"Studies comparing groups of children raised by homosexual and by heterosexual parents find no developmental differences between the two groups of children in four critical areas: their intelligence, psychological adjustment, social adjustment, and popularity with friends."

I have studies to counter this. Indeed, I have already posted a study of children raised by gay parents, and many were confused and unstable. Also, children adopted by gays are more likely to be sexually molested, than those raised by heterosexuals. A boy adopted into a heterosexual family has ZERO chances of being sexually molested. And when comparing rates of molestation of girls in heterosexual homes to boys in homosexual homes, one sees that boys are molested at a higher rate. I have loads of case studies of SELF-IDENTIFIED homosexuals molesting heterosexual boys they adopt! STOP the gay lies!

"It is also important to realize that a parent's sexual orientation does not dictate his or her children's."

But children watch and imulate adults. The way adults live greatly influences them, although they may not always 100% immulate the parents.

"Another myth about homosexuality is the mistaken belief that gay men have more of a tendency than heterosexual men to sexually molest children. There is no evidence to suggest that homosexuals are more likely than heterosexuals to molest children."

See my case studies idiots. Gays and bi men are no more than 5% of the total population, yet over a third of all child molestation victims are BOYS and the perpetrators mostly men. THAT SHOULD TELL YOU SOMETHING!!! Now stop with the liberal brainwashing, those of us who aren't bleeding heard liberals and who are well read, can see through the lies!

Heteroman


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Posts: 13 | Posted: 01:25 AM on January 22, 2003 | IP
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Hetero,

Like I said in another one of your threads, the FACT is that 98+% of ALL child molestors are married heterosexual men ages 28-35 ("Setting Them Straight" by Dr. Betty Berzon")

Next ridiculous argument from you??

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Posts: 0 | Posted: 12:45 AM on January 23, 2003 | IP
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You don't distinguish between homosexuals and pedophiles. A gay man is attracted to adult males. A pedophile is attracted to children, not adults.

"But NARTH's claim that 35% of pedophiles are gay stems from 'a flawed assumption' that men who prey on young boys also are attracted to grown men, says Johns Hopkins University psychiatrist Frederick Berlin, an expert on sexual disorders.... Bancroft agrees. 'They're men interested in children. They're more interested in boys than girls, but they're interested in kids, not adults.' "
http://www.usatoday.com/news/2002-07-15-church-gay_x.htm

A man who molests young boys is not necessarily gay. He's only gay if he is also attracted to adult males.





 


Posts: 60 | Posted: 10:24 PM on January 23, 2003 | IP
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Yeeeah, I think I'm going to have to disagree with you on that one.


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Posts: 341 | Posted: 01:55 AM on January 24, 2003 | IP
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gay is another term for homosexual.  homosexual means you are attracted to someone of the same sex.

adult male = male
boy = male

seems pretty cut-and-dry to me


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Posts: 134 | Posted: 02:17 AM on January 24, 2003 | IP
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So would you say that a heterosexual is sexually interested in female children as well as adult females?

What evidence is there that men who are interested in young boys are also interested in adult males? You should focus your arguments against men who molest young boys(pedophiles) and not against men who are only interested in other adult men.





(Edited by gunmyths 1/24/2003 at 1:37 PM).
 


Posts: 60 | Posted: 1:21 PM on January 24, 2003 | IP
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adult female = female
girl = female

seems pretty cut-and-dry to me




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Posts: 971 | Posted: 3:58 PM on January 24, 2003 | IP
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"You don't distinguish between homosexuals and pedophiles."

I do! Homosexuals are attracted to PERSONS of the same gender, and a Pedophile is attracted to children. There are heterosexual Pedophiles, Bisexual Pedophiles, and Homosexual Pedophiles.  And it just so happens for a people that make up no more than 5% of the general population gays and bi men are OVERREPRESENTED for their numbers amongst convicted child molesters. Also, I just supplied proof that at least 1/4 of self-identified homosexuals ADMIT to having had sexual relations with children. At best 1% of heterosexual males have had sex with minors.

"A gay man is attracted to adult males."

No, an ANDROphile is attracted to adult males. A gay man is attracted to males, PERIOD!!!

"A pedophile is attracted to children, not adults."

And your point being? Of COURSE Pedophiles are attracted to children you idiot!!! But it is not so cut and dry. Many Homosexual Pedophiles are also Androphiles too!

"But NARTH's claim that 35% of pedophiles are gay stems from 'a flawed assumption' that men who prey on young boys also are attracted to grown men, says Johns Hopkins University psychiatrist Frederick Berlin, an expert on sexual disorders.... Bancroft agrees. 'They're men interested in children."

It flows from the assumption men who prey on boys are attracted to MALES since boys are males! Since men that molest boys are attracted to boys and boys are MEN, that makes them gay! Seems pretty straight forward to me!

"They're more interested in boys than girls, but they're interested in kids, not adults.' "


That makes them GAY, or at worst BISEXUAL!!!

"A man who molests young boys is not necessarily gay."

He's bisexual. The one thing is certain, HE IS NOT a heterosexual! Heterosexuals are ONLY interested in females. A heterosexual Pedophile only molests girls. There is no such thing as a heterosexual that sexually abuses other males. Sorry, but heterosexuals only get aroused byu FEMALES!

"He's only gay if he is also attracted to adult males."

He's an ANDROPHILE, androphiles are homosexuals attracted to adult males. A gay can be a Pedophile or Androphile. Either way, stop trying to FOOL the public! Fags are a danger to children, PERIOD!!!

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Posts: 0 | Posted: 4:38 PM on January 24, 2003 | IP
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My friend recently admitted he is gay. For 6 years he had been torn apart by the fact that the society he has been brought up in would condemn him for something he has NO CONTROL over.

I'm straight, I'm Christain, i am totally for homosexuality.

My friend is the GREATEST guy i am ever going to meet, i refuse to belive my God would condemn him because of his sexual orientation.

Why would ANYONE in their right mind choose to be gay? No offence meant i assure you. My friend has said over and over again he did NOT choose this, IT chose HIM. He didn't want it to be this way it just IS.

He is a good person, surely that's enough?

(Edited by InsideOut 6/25/2005 at 07:53 AM).


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Quote from Guest at 4:38 PM on January 24, 2003 :

Fags are a danger to children, PERIOD!!!


STRAIGHT PRIDE, WORLD WIDE





Ok, you need some SERIOUS help.

If you bothered to look beyond your nose,  you may find that the majority of the gay community are happy to just be left alone, they want their basic rights, yes, but why the hell should that affect you?

If a man wants to be with another man, or a woman with another woman LET THEM BE. It really has got nothing to do with you. It's not harming anyone, why is it such a problem?

Yes, if there are cases of sexual molestation, particually regarding childen, then speak up against becase THAT is the problem.

But let me ask you something, do you believe that all/most gay men go around sexualy abusing little boys just because they are gay?

If so then does that mean YOU go around sexualy abusing little girls... just because you are straight?  




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Posts: 3 | Posted: 08:05 AM on June 25, 2005 | IP
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I disagree...My parents are convince that being a "homosexual" is a choice...they are right...I choose which guy I want to be with on which night...I also choose not to see if a female is right for me...why would I want to find out if something is a somewhat okay option, when I know something else is perfect...why bother???  EVERYTHING IN LIFE IS A CHOICE...WHY BOTHER MAKING A CHOICE YOU ARE 100% SURE IS THE COMPLETE WRONG CHOICE TO MAKE???


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Posts: 9 | Posted: 11:54 AM on October 21, 2005 | IP
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You actually said to yourself at one point: "Okay, it's men for me from now on."?

I'm gay, not by choice or because I was molested or raped, I just am. To me, it's as much a part of me as the fact that I have blue eyes - I don't mind, I wish some people I know wouldn't mind and I certainly don't see why it is thought of as unnatural by some since it was innate.


 


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