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Hi internauts:

I'm from Puerto Rico and although not lesbian, nor sexually active, worries an article to me that there is in the Penal Code of the Constitución(art. 103) that prohibits sex relations between people of the same sex and the relations against natura(including anal and oral sex), are or not allowed between adults. According to that law, it is possible to be processed to somebody by 10 years or more of jail.

Recently it has been spoken in diffusions media means on the controversy of this article and have been manifestations of the gay local community, who want the article eliminated of the Constitution, but no one of the members of the Senate is against the law. Many people here are watching de Lawrence y Garner case in Texas, because the court decision may has local consecuences.

I think that it's unfair and violates the human rights. I know that in some states have(as 13 or 14) gay discriminatory laws. I would like to know the opinions of people there.

I included 2 concerning links below.

1. About sodomy laws in US and the world: http://www.sodomylaws.org/usa/usa.htm

2. (In Spanish) New about article 103 in a local Gay site: http://www.orgulloboricua.net/comunidad/noticias/locales/art103_030803.html[color=black][/color][color=black]
 


Posts: 0 | Posted: 03:59 AM on June 8, 2003 | IP
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We are better off leaving sodomy to the beasts!

>>I worked as an RN for several years during the eighties and nineties at Stanford University Medical Center, where I saw some of the damage homosexuals do to their bodies with some of their sexual practices. As a result of that eye-opening experience, I much admire the work of NARTH in the research and treatment of homosexuality.<<

http://www.narth.com/docs/consequences.html



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Posts: 3 | Posted: 9:19 PM on June 8, 2003 | IP
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I hope Puerto Rico keeps thier law
Good For Them !!!
 


Posts: 7 | Posted: 03:25 AM on June 15, 2003 | IP
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I am very glad that you recognise those sorts of laws for what they are- ridiculous, discriminatory, hypocritical, puerile. I find it almost beyond belief that there are people who care what two consenting adults do in the privacy of their own bedroom- much less that there are people who care enough to establish laws regulating those consensual acts.


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Posts: 6 | Posted: 12:41 AM on June 17, 2003 | IP
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Discrimination is discrimaination. Discrimination agaist someone who is gay is no better than discrimination against someone who is of a different race.

Peace,
Father of a gay son
 


Posts: 20 | Posted: 1:22 PM on March 12, 2004 | IP
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Discrimination is wrong period. Everybody deserves their rights just like you.
 


Posts: 36 | Posted: 2:14 PM on March 29, 2004 | IP
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Is bestiality a right too?  What about incest?  Necrophilia? Where do you draw the line?
 


Posts: 5 | Posted: 5:40 PM on January 20, 2005 | IP
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Is bestiality a right too?  What about incest?  Necrophilia? Where do you draw the line?


Where it makes sense. We are discussing two HUMAN adults, with fully consensual desires.

Animals are equivalent to children. They cannot make these kind of decisions with the same understanding and free will.

Secondly, inter-species sex is just silly on the surface. It's in no way related to the topic.

Necrophilia? That's so extreme that it's ridiculous. How can a dead person give consent? How can there be the potential for a "relationship"? This is just slippery slope foolishness posing as legitimate alternates.

Right now it's considered by everyone to be natural and fully approved for opposite sex sexual activities.

Does this approval automatically include every possible related alternative?

Having sex with your Aunt? With an underage person? Someone severely retarded?

These specific issues are dealt with individually and they do NOT take away from the basic premise that female - male sex relationships are in and of THEMSELVES fine.



(Edited by justforfun000 1/20/2005 at 6:50 PM).
 


Posts: 16 | Posted: 6:48 PM on January 20, 2005 | IP
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Quote from justforfun000 at 6:48 PM on January 20, 2005 :
Is bestiality a right too?  What about incest?  Necrophilia? Where do you draw the line?


Where it makes sense. We are discussing two HUMAN adults, with fully consensual desires.

Animals are equivalent to children. They cannot make these kind of decisions with the same understanding and free will.

Secondly, inter-species sex is just silly on the surface. It's in no way related to the topic.

Necrophilia? That's so extreme that it's ridiculous. How can a dead person give consent? How can there be the potential for a "relationship"? This is just slippery slope foolishness posing as legitimate alternates.

Right now it's considered by everyone to be natural and fully approved for opposite sex sexual activities.

Does this approval automatically include every possible related alternative?

Having sex with your Aunt? With an underage person? Someone severely retarded?

These specific issues are dealt with individually and they do NOT take away from the basic premise that female - male sex relationships are in and of THEMSELVES fine.



(Edited by justforfun000 1/20/2005 at 6:50 PM).



Relationships exist for one purpose, to procreate.  That is why we evolved to have them.  That is the fundamental problem with homosexual relationships.

Any relationships which DO NOT involved procreation fall into the hedonistic group - this includes homosexuality, bestiality, incest, and so forth.  They have one purpose, pleasure.  That is what is relevant.  Heterosexual relationships out of marriage without the purpose of having children are just as bad as these.

I don't know about you, but I find the idea of homosexual activity quite a bit more repulsive than either bestiality or incest.  The fact that people would consent to such a thing merely makes it worse.

I don't think it's natural, and neither does the Bible.  Or the Qu'ran.  Who is this everyone you refer to?  The population of San Francisco?
 


Posts: 5 | Posted: 7:16 PM on January 20, 2005 | IP
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Relationships exist for one purpose, to procreate.  That is why we evolved to have them.


Bullshit. Relationships exist because people want to love other people and spend their lives together with a companion to share it with.

Children are incidental, and simply part of our natural desire to procreate. But if this was truly ALL they really were meant to do, then people no longer of breeding capability would have no desire to mate.

Any relationships which DO NOT involved procreation fall into the hedonistic group - this includes homosexuality, bestiality, incest, and so forth.  They have one purpose, pleasure.  That is what is relevant.  Heterosexual relationships out of marriage without the purpose of having children are just as bad as these.


Fine. Believe this if you want. Too bad you can't back it up as to why it's BAD with logic!!!

So your premise is that pleasure without purpose is bad? hmmm? What purpose? What makes you think it's "bad"? Hmmm. Let me wait with baited breath. Could it possibly be the one part of human beliefs that condemns pleasure for no logical reason other than very old tribal myths with no intrinsic evidence? Could it be *gasp*, a religious argument next?

I don't know about you, but I find the idea of homosexual activity quite a bit more repulsive than either bestiality or incest.  The fact that people would consent to such a thing merely makes it worse.


Sp the fact that I PERSONALLY find the idea of heterosexual sex to be repulsive makes my opinion just as valid as yours?


I don't think it's natural, and neither does the Bible.


What a shock. A personal opinion, and a VERY old set of personal opinion dressed up as "God's pronouncements".

Who is this everyone you refer to?  The population of San Francisco?


Learn to read a little more carefully. The "everyone" I referred to was in relation to the idea of HETEROSEXUALITY as being perfectly normal and desirable.


 


Posts: 16 | Posted: 7:35 PM on January 20, 2005 | IP
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No kidding justforfun

Everyone always throws the stone saying that relationships and sex exist for the purpose of procreation. However many MANY heterosexual couples go their entire lives without having children, either from sterility, or just plain not wanting children.

and nobody can tell me they never have sex for pleaseure, anyone who tells me they only do it to make children is lying, flat out.

and using the same ideas they are, if you do use contraception then you are just as bad as homosexuals, are you not?
 


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