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[center][size=11][color=blue] I do not support gay adoption. God made man and woman to reproduce, if you choose to go aganist God's will then you should not be able to have a child period.
 


Posts: 0 | Posted: 11:52 PM on October 18, 2003 | IP
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Things are not created for only one purpose. The organ you are proud of for its ability to help you procreate is also used to help you eliminate waste. And a person's contribution to the world is MUCH MORE than merely the ability of produce. The totality of a person and that person's sexuality is the same way-- there is value in love, bonding, and intimacy that has nothing to do with procreating. The fact is that many heterosexual parents are unable to raise the children they produce, and there are millions of unwanted children out there. Gay men and women are perfectly capable of improving the welfare of children. If I were ever to be a birthmother, I would rather have my child raised by an open minded loving gay couple than a brain washed, judgemental and predugist family..

 


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I grew up in foster care.  I lived in over 35 homes until I turned 18 and was thrown out on the street.  I was treated horribly.  I was emotionally, physically, and sexually abused while in the foster care system.  I would have given an arm to be part of a family, gay or straight. I think it is disgusting that people would rather have children go through the foster care system than live in a loving stable home.  Research has shown that gay and lesbian parents are just as good as heterosexual parents.  There are over a million children that need homes in foster care in the United States.  Why must they suffer because of bigotry?

Man and woman were created by god to reproduce?  Is that all you have sex for?  So every time you have sex, it is to reproduce?  I doubt it.
 


Posts: 0 | Posted: 02:29 AM on October 23, 2003 | IP
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Then you believe that infertile heterosexual couples should not be allowed to adopt as well?

A child growing up in foster care and group homes and institutions grow up believing they are unloved and undeserving of being loved.  To sentence them to a lifetime believing that, all based on a hatred of gays, is prejudice in extreme.  You would rather focus on denying gays than on providing a loving home for a lost and needing child.  


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Of all the tyrannies, a tyranny sincerely exercised "for the good" of its victim may be the most oppressive. It may be better to live under robber barons than under omnipotent busybodies. The robber baron's cruelty may sometimes sleep, his cupidity may at some point be satiated, but those who torment us "for our own good" will torment us without end for they do so with the approval of their own conscience.

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Posts: 4 | Posted: 5:39 PM on October 23, 2003 | IP
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What about Non-religious people who don't believe in God?
 


Posts: 0 | Posted: 12:24 PM on October 25, 2003 | IP
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Dear how can you even know if god exists?  you say you dont like things that you cant see or touch, but you cant see or touch god, but for some reason he still exists? Ha!
 


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This is only my personal opinion only.  I feel that an young child should not be put in that sitution.  I say that because if a child grows up with two of the same sex for a mother it will confuse the child and consider it to be normal.  A child only copies what they see until they are an certain age to know better.  An in the bible it clearly speak of it being wrong.  In a long run from the child being pick on by classmates he or she will comit sucide or do bodily harm to themself because of peer pressure.
 


Posts: 0 | Posted: 11:28 AM on November 19, 2003 | IP
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Well im 13 and posting, but, if u are adopted by gay parents your life can be changed because you think its natural right?
 


Posts: 0 | Posted: 4:40 PM on November 19, 2003 | IP
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I myself have seen many unfit parents who were straight and to say that someone who is gay is unfit just for the reason of his or her preference is wrong as well as bias, i read some of the arguments against letting gays adopt and to tell the truth there was only one argument that might be true{the one about how the child might become confused), the others ones were based on the persons religious beliefs.They say god says its wrong or the bible says its wrong, maybe those people should practice what they preach last time I looked in the bible it said something along the lines of judge not lest you be judged and that only god had the right to judge so instead of judgingand using arguements based on opinions and stories written by man why don't you back up your  argument with facts . i dare you to go out and find statistics on how a gay parent adoption went wrong and then try and compare it to all the times a adoption went wrong with a straight parent..i bet the number of child adoptions by straight parents has a higher rate of children coming out of it abused or worse
 


Posts: 0 | Posted: 11:46 PM on November 20, 2003 | IP
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Why do people haveto be so mean?  We are people just like anyone else.  If you are thinking that we are lower than any other person, the problem i with you.
 


Posts: 5 | Posted: 8:35 PM on November 28, 2003 | IP
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Quote from Guest at 2:40 PM on November 13, 2003 :
Dear how can you even know if god exists?  you say you dont like things that you cant see or touch, but you cant see or touch god, but for some reason he still exists? Ha!



Can you see or touch your brain?  No?  It must not exist then.
 


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This is only my personal opinion only.  I feel that an young child should not be put in that sitution.  I say that because if a child grows up with two of the same sex for a mother it will confuse the child and consider it to be normal.  A child only copies what they see until they are an certain age to know better.  An in the bible it clearly speak of it being wrong.  In a long run from the child being pick on by classmates he or she will comit sucide or do bodily harm to themself because of peer pressure.


Confused about what? What is it about people that paint children as these poor little impressionable darlings that will be HOPELESSLY corrupted beyond repair by being exposed to things outside the "norm".

The converse question is, isn't it wrong to allow a homosexual child to remain under two heterosexual parents? Isn't that "confusing" them since they can't relate to their physical attraction to each other?

This is a silly argument. Yes you can try to ram the "natural" argument down someone's throat by saying the fact that procreation happens between male and female prove that it's the right thing.

Well then if nature were such an absolute judge of morality, why would incestuous relations end up causing pregnancy? If that is so immoral and against nature, shouldn't the capability of reproduction be automatically denied? Impossible in the same way that it is with Gorillas? No? Why not?

I would like to see the double talk necessary in THIS argument to back up their point. hehehe.

Anyway, back on point. Obviously the "example" of heterosexuality was not enough to prevent homosexuals from becoming that way and not conforming.

The only thing two same-sex parents would do is demonstrate to a child that they can partner as easily as heterosexuals. Period. If they had such sexual inclinations, yes they may explore them with less guilt, but that is NOT a bad thing. It's only a bad thing to people making the circular argument that homosexuality is wrong. You have to prove THAT first and you can't without resorting to religious bigotry or rogue scientists promoting anti-establishment views that don't hold up.


Can you see or touch your brain?  No?  It must not exist then.


False analogy. You CAN see and touch your brain. X-rays, MRI's. Brain surgery. The existence of the brain is easily proven.

Just because you can't personally do it without tools or causing personal harm, does not mean it's similar to God as a comparison. There is NO objective evidence at all indicating the existence of God.

There is absolutely nothing in nature that has yet needed the extra element of "god" to explain it.

I doubt you would be aware of this, but if you study "Occam's Razor", you would get the glimmer of an understanding as to why this is so.


 


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Quote from Guest at 4:40 PM on November 19, 2003 :
Well im 13 and posting, but, if u are adopted by gay parents your life can be changed because you think its natural right?


Your life can be changed in that you won't be an annoying anti-gay bigot. That's it.

Think about it: would you become gay if you could? If you're straight, looking at girls turns you on and looking at guys doesn't. It's biological, and just growing up with gay parents isn't going to change that.
 


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Ok just because you think its not God's will to have gays adopt.... maybe someone else does because all men are created equal... and second of all why cant gays adopt??? if gays cant adopt then think about the children... there will be less people wanting to adopt them, and that means that more and more children every year are going with out a home!
 


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Quote from Sol at 04:15 AM on January 9, 2005 :
Quote from Guest at 2:40 PM on November 13, 2003 :
Dear how can you even know if god exists? you say you dont like things that you cant see or touch, but you cant see or touch god, but for some reason he still exists? Ha!



Can you see or touch your brain? No? It must not exist then.



Actually I have seen and touched a brain so I know it does exist.

However not only is there no evidence whatsoever that anything mentioned in the bible is true, but there is no knoing that the people who wrote it have any credibility at all.

There is nothing NOTHING supporting christianity
 


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Quote from justforfun000 at 5:10 PM on January 11, 2005 :

False analogy. You CAN see and touch your brain. X-rays, MRI's. Brain surgery. The existence of the brain is easily proven.


Ah, but you see, that's the beauty of the analogy.

Though you can't see or touch your brain, there are methods of learning of its existence, just as prayer is the method of learning of God's existence.
 


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prayer doesn't work all the time, x-rays etc work 99% of the time... Its a completly false anology face it you just looked stupid.


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Quote from Peter87 at 6:29 PM on March 6, 2005 :
prayer doesn't work all the time, x-rays etc work 99% of the time... Its a completly false anology face it you just looked stupid.


An X-ray requires works if it has electricity, and for the patient to be in position to work

Prayer requires the 'power' of faith and dedication and for the one giving the prayer's heart to be in the right place (ie humility, pure intentions, selflessness)  If those conditions are met prayer works better than any X-ray.

I realize that was corny, but i don't care.  The analogy works fine.
 


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Actualy, I know for a fact that I was in those conditions you described for prayer to work and well it didn't, I got no answers... and you can say well you weren't dedicated enougth, I was trying for several years, prayer works less than x-rays.... false analogy


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Quote from Peter87 at 4:21 PM on March 8, 2005 :
Actualy, I know for a fact that I was in those conditions


Your manner suggests otherwise.

Quote from Peter87 at 4:21 PM on March 8, 2005 :
... and you can say well you weren't dedicated enougth


No, it sounds to me more like lack of humility or pure intent was the culprit.
 


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Actualy my manner has changed in the last couple of years since then, like I said I was in the "conditions" described.... any way this is suposed to be about gay adoption....


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I'm just adding my 2 cents worth...

Gay and lesbian couples have (well, SHOULD have...) every right to adopt children. I'm yet to come across an argument that specifies a problem with such an arrangement that is fully justified.

Will the child be "confused" in such an arrangement? Perhaps, but at least he/she will grow to be a tolerant, open-minded human being. As for them being confused because it's "not normal" - who are you to decide what's normal? Do you believe that, say, having white skin is normal and having black skin is not? Or being of Anglo-Saxon origin (excuse the terminology) is not normal and being of Asian origin is as there are more people who are? Just have a think about that 'normal' comment - just because something is in the minority does not make it not normal or 'unnatural,' simply not as common.

I can't see a problem with allowing gay and lesbian couples to adopt children - more happy homosexual couples plus more happy adopted children. Sounds good to me...

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My two cents:

I f anyone can come up with a truly good reason a gay or lesbian person should not be able to adopt a child in need, I would love to hear it. All of the debate about why they can't is nonsense. The biggest reson they say is becuase of god. Well God said a man and woman should lay down together to bear children. Well gays and lesbians arent bearing children here they want to adopt a child that needs a home. Give them love and support. God doesn't say anything about that. Jesus also died on the cross to forgive our sins. So if it is a sin to be gay or lesbian then I'm ok becuase Jesus died for me to forgive my sins. Jesus loves everyone. You church going people are totally manulating the bible to make it fit your needs and beliefs, not Gods.


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Too true - i can't agree enough!

Also, it isn't right to label something (such as homosexuality) as immoral simply based on religious beliefs - these beliefs are your own, and you should not be attempting to impose them on others.

Homosexuality harms  NO ONE, and allowing gay and lesbian couples to adopt HELPS people...children no less. Where's the immorality?
 


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I personally cannot see what all the fuss is about. If it about confusing a child, what could be more confusing to an impressionable young mind than being bounced around from foster home to foster home. The question of "why doesn't anyone want me?" will make for a much more confused and unstable individual than the question of why my mom loves my mom, or my dad loves my dad. If anyone really cared about the future mental stability of the child this issue would not even be an issue. For the childs sake please, put these differences aside and get these children into the loving evironments they need and deserve, whether they be hetero or homosexual.


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Its good to see more people argueing for the improvement of gay rights


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