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The homophobic prejudice displayed by individuals on the "con" side of the gay/lesbian adoption debate is just as ridiculous as white supremacy and other practices of racism, as well as sexism or any other type of ridiculously unreasonable discrimination. Gay men and lesbians are normal people; they are no different from heterosexual people, so they should not be regarded as such. It is absolutely absurd to treat homosexual individuals as second-class citizens, and outrageous to regulate what they can and cannot do in their own homes.

I just wanted to get that off my chest. And no, I am not gay myself. I am a heterosexual female who happens to have a (still-in-the-closet) gay male best friend who is an incredibly intelligent, kind, interesting, and witty person. I do not see any justifiable reason to judge my best friend or anyone other individual on the basis of his or her sexual preference. That's all I have to say.

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Posts: 0 | Posted: 8:17 PM on January 15, 2004 | IP
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Thank you, Guest... I couldn't agree more myself.
 


Posts: 0 | Posted: 4:31 PM on February 3, 2004 | IP
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I agree completely, they are in no way second class citizens and do not deserve to be treated so. However the difference between gays and blacks is simple, gay men can change, African Americans and other minorities can not change there race. This means being gay although not initially self inflicted is a choice. If you don’t believe me see it for yourself: http://www.defendthefamily.com/gayrecovery.php
 


Posts: 4 | Posted: 8:56 PM on February 12, 2004 | IP
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Quote from foxnews_alltheway at 8:56 PM on February 12, 2004 :
I agree completely, they are in no way second class citizens and do not deserve to be treated so. However the difference between gays and blacks is simple, gay men can change, African Americans and other minorities can not change there race. This means being gay although not initially self inflicted is a choice. If you don’t believe me see it for yourself: http://www.defendthefamily.com/gayrecovery.php


Well, the source you provided is a anti-gay religious organization and you think we believe that is scientific objective report on homosexuality?! Also If you believe NARTH has knowledge in the field of science/biological...well...you really haven't got a bloody clue. They promotes conversion therapy but their researches and their statistics on success are laughable and no educated person seems to take them seriously. Dr. Robert Spitzer, who publicised a study about conversion therapy, has complained at how NARTH has taken his work and his comments out of context in order to place him against gay rights when he actually supports them. Thsese organizations has an agenda, and there for any of their findings I view them as skewed.




 


Posts: 14 | Posted: 07:53 AM on April 29, 2004 | IP
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Quote from Guest at 8:17 PM on January 15, 2004 :
The homophobic prejudice displayed by individuals on the "con" side of the gay/lesbian adoption debate is just as ridiculous as white supremacy and other practices of racism, as well as sexism or any other type of ridiculously unreasonable discrimination. Gay men and lesbians are normal people; they are no different from heterosexual people, so they should not be regarded as such. It is absolutely absurd to treat homosexual individuals as second-class citizens, and outrageous to regulate what they can and cannot do in their own homes.

I just wanted to get that off my chest. And no, I am not gay myself. I am a heterosexual female who happens to have a (still-in-the-closet) gay male best friend who is an incredibly intelligent, kind, interesting, and witty person. I do not see any justifiable reason to judge my best friend or anyone other individual on the basis of his or her sexual preference. That's all I have to say.-S


Isn't that sweet. The unrighteous defending the unrighteous.
Maybe that is why neither will enter the kingdom of God.

Rom 1:28 And just as they did not see fit to F21 acknowledge God any longer, God R51 gave them over to a depraved mind, to do those things which are not proper, 29 being filled with all unrighteousness, wickedness, greed, evil; full of envy, murder, strife, deceit, malice; they are gossips, R52 30 slanderers, haters R53 F22 of God, insolent, arrogant, boastful, inventors of evil, disobedient R54 to parents, 31 without understanding, untrustworthy, unloving, R55 unmerciful; 32 and although they know the ordinance of God, that those who practice such things are worthy of death, R56 they not only do the same, but also give R57 hearty approval to those who practice them.

Thanks for the blessing!

Matt 5:11-12" Blessed are you when people insult  you and persecute you, and falsely say all kinds of evil against you because of Me. "Rejoice and be glad, for your reward in heaven is great; for in the same way they persecuted the prophets who were before you.

Luke 6:22-23 "Blessed are you when men hate you, and ostracize you, and insult you, and scorn your name as evil, for the sake of the Son of Man. "Be glad in that day and leap for joy, for behold, your reward is great in heaven. For in the same way their fathers used to treat the prophets.

Thanks for the blessings!



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Posts: 196 | Posted: 11:37 AM on April 30, 2004 | IP
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Quote from unworthy servant at 11:37 AM on April 30, 2004 :
Isn't that sweet. The unrighteous defending the unrighteous. Maybe that is why neither will enter the kingdom of God.


If God's blessings made you the way you are, you can keep them.  I have no desire to be the hate-filled hypocrite you are.  



 


Posts: 14 | Posted: 01:10 AM on May 3, 2004 | IP
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Quote from Lisab at 01:10 AM on May 3, 2004 :

If God's blessings made you the way you are, you can keep them.  I have no desire to be the hate-filled hypocrite you are.  




Hi Lisab,

I just wanted to say that I agree with all your views on here. I don't know what to think of unworthy servant, he could be just some extremist or just a young high school or college kid hiding under a "Christian" label.  But his views are not of Christian love. I am actually a tolerant Christian who has come to understand and accept homosexuals for who they are, and if other Christians have a problem with that, oh well but that's what I learned to accept with the love of my heart. I haven't been around lately and I plan on going on vacation for the summer, so I probably won't be back untill later on in the year.

But if you see Father of a gay son and ffaldo come back on here please do me a favor and help back them up for me like I have when I am gone because I really appreciate those two and would love to give them a hug for standing up for what they believe.

Take care Lisab!

 


Posts: 36 | Posted: 1:00 PM on May 3, 2004 | IP
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The site provided by foxnews_alltheway would be laughable, if it weren't for the sad fact that these people are actually serious about offering "redemption" to gay people.  The site is simply a statement of their contribution toward inciting hatred.

I'd be interested to hear a non-hetrosexual's perspective on these types of conversions.


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Posts: 16 | Posted: 8:22 PM on May 3, 2004 | IP
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I am gay and I'm missing why I can't buy a house?  Last time I checked I have most of the same rights that other people have...I can't get married but who cares...I can't find a faithful guy no matter how many states I've looked in so why bother getting married!  It is more offensive than racism...why can a black person buy a house and I can't???  That is just so wrong!  I think the funny difference is most gay men don't have a chip on their shoulder about being gay when the gay right movement started not all that long ago...look how many hundreds of years ago the slaves were freed and they have been FIGHTING for their rights ever since and they STILL have that chip on their shoulder...I find the racism much more offensive...


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Posts: 9 | Posted: 12:05 PM on October 21, 2005 | IP
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The source link does not offer any evidence to back up the claim that homosexuality is a choice. In fact it is, as valet_dave pointed out a list of people who do hold that opinion.

This is a quote directly from the website:

“I never met a person who aspired to be homosexually challenged,” the gender issues expert noted at one point. “Sexual trauma is a huge piece of the puzzle. Having talked with hundreds of homosexuals, I have never met one that had not been sexually violated in his or her life.”

First of all, I'm not sure exactly what "homosexually challenged" means?

Second the site does not list or offer a link to any of Melissa Fryrear's credentials that qualify her as an expert. it simply states that she is a "gender issues analyst for Focus on the Family" and a "former" lesbian. That is not enough to qualify her as an expert.

Even if she were an"Expert", her last statement shows no scientific merit at all. She has talked to "hundreds" of homosexuals and has never met one that has not been sexually violated in his or her life. If she talked to these hundreds of homesexuals at any form of counselling centers, then of course that is what you would find. I have never been sexually violated and I'm sure my boyfriend, of 5 years now, believes that I'm homosexual.

Let us not forget that these so called experts are paid by certain people to reach certain conclusions and make certain statements. Does anyone think that Melissa Fryrear would get her paycheck at the end of the week from Focus on the Family if she came out saying that homesexuals could NOT be changed and it was NOT a choice? These people have their own agenda and are not not paid for seeking the truth but rather showing only the evidence that would make their idea of the truth the only plausible theory.


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Posts: 41 | Posted: 06:33 AM on November 1, 2005 | IP
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I think it is wrong for people to be rude and disrespectful to homosexual people, no doubt. But if a homosexual person chooses to flaunt their lifestyle in public, they should expect criticism. To be honest, I have made fun of a gay couple I saw one day at the mall. It was wrong, I admit, and I shouldnt have done that.
As far as homos deserving equal rights, that is absurd. To put them on the same level as heterosexual couples is an insult to those in normal male/female relationships. The Civil Rights they demand are more of Civil privilages, rewarded to those in normal relationships. To call a homosexual relationship normal is wrong on so many levels...
 


Posts: 2 | Posted: 10:15 PM on November 14, 2005 | IP
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Quote from corpse891 at 10:15 PM on November 14, 2005 :
I think it is wrong for people to be rude and disrespectful to homosexual people, no doubt. But if a homosexual person chooses to flaunt their lifestyle in public, they should expect criticism.

What's "flaunting"? Is it wearing a t-shirt that alludes to it? Is it mentioning a boyfriend/girlfriend? Is it holding hands/hugging/kissing a significant other? I've yet to see someone talk about some kind of "flaunting" that straight people or couples don't participate in, but I don't see anyone complaining about straight people flaunting their sexuality.


As far as homos deserving equal rights, that is absurd. To put them on the same level as heterosexual couples is an insult to those in normal male/female relationships.

How do gays or same-sex couples not deserve the same rights? How are they so inferior?


The Civil Rights they demand are more of Civil privilages

Equal protection is a right. Marriage is a right, as established by Loving v. Virginia, Zablocki v. Wisconsin, Turner v. Safley, and others.

To call a homosexual relationship normal is wrong on so many levels...

How so? What is your definition of normal? If you mean "normal" as "biologically normal" or "natural" as in "occuring in nature" or "not man-made," homosexual relationships are completely normal. If you mean "generally accepted" or "commonplace," then no, gay relationships/people aren't "normal" by that definition, but so aren't a number of things.




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