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TheGarbageman

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California has a rule that if you commit three crimes of a certain severity, you get life in jail. Is this a good idea, or bad idea?


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Posts: 9 | Posted: 6:56 PM on June 10, 2003 | IP
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I feel that, that law is wrong because kids shouldn't go to jail at the ages of 12 and 15 thats wrong and those kids might have a good life ahead of them so i feel that thats wrong.
 


Posts: 0 | Posted: 4:55 PM on October 24, 2003 | IP
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Lock'em up and throw away the key. Unless there's an Electric Chair around. That's right I think it should be TWO strikes then DEATH.
 


Posts: 0 | Posted: 4:58 PM on December 29, 2003 | IP
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I think that the 3 strikes and your out rule should only be used for felonies and serious crimes.  For instance if you have had 2 felonies, lets say grand theft and homicide,  If you go and shoplift some alcohol and a bag of chips they would use the 3 strikes your out rule on you even though shoplifting isn't a felonie unless you shoplift something like more than 1000 dollars worth of goods.  So i think taht we should keep the three strikes you out law only if ALL of the strikes are felonies that could put other people in harms way or are serious felonies.

 


Posts: 0 | Posted: 1:13 PM on January 19, 2004 | IP
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if the crimes put other people in harms way, then  it shouldn't even take three strikes.
I think it is a good idea provided that it is implemented right. Victimless crimes (drug use charges, prostotution, ect.) shouldn't count, but crimes such as grand theft, really any felony that has a victim that was not put in danger during the crime (if the victim was put in danger during the crime in any way, such as assalt, armed robbery, ect, then the criminal should get at most two strikes. real serious stuff such as murder, attempted murder, rape, ect. shouldn't even be based on strikes)
 


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its not fair becuz if the law is valid, you can murder 3 people before they do anything.


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Posts: 18 | Posted: 12:18 AM on July 18, 2006 | IP
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This law applies only to three felonies as far as I know.  Anyone who commits three felonies, I believe, is beyond redemption.
 


Posts: 4 | Posted: 4:22 PM on March 30, 2007 | IP
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I think it is a good idea as long as people don't hold you to three strikes as the minimum (which I don't believe they will do, but I'm sure some idiot will argue it).  "Yes, your honor, but my client has only murdered two people, so you can't throw him in jail for life yet...".  Yes, that sounds completely ludicrous, but how many court decisions have you seen handed down that were completely ludicrous.


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Posts: 1287 | Posted: 11:55 AM on March 31, 2007 | IP
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The three strikes law in California is completly monetary in its purpose....There is simply no other purpose for it.

Lets do a little bit of math here for a second.... California has roughly, just over 170,000 prisoners inside state run institutions. For each state inmate..the state will recieve x amount of dollars annually. ....I am not sure of the set amount in the state of California..I do know that here in Ohio, the state gets close to $30,000 a year per inmate.... That would be a very low figure for california where the cost of living is a lot higher than in ohio..If I used this low figure I could calculate that the state of California gets $510,000,000 of tax payer money each year.

Now factor in the contracted labor that prisoners perform....since I have no exact figures for the state of california handy I will use min. wage..I do know that min. wage in California is $7.50 per hour....8 hour work day. 365 days a year...minus the prisoners pay rate of about .75 cents an hour....times the number of inmates....that gives the state an additional $3,350,700,000 annually.

How much of that money do you think goes into California's correctional programs? My guess is NOT MUCH lol...Sure they have bills, they pay the prison staff..(most of their staff do not require more than a high school diploma..this is to keep the pay rate down...as a staff with college degrees would require more pay) ...what else is there?....inmates get three meals a day (nothing special or costly there) prison issued clothing..(ditto) medical care...(again...nothing special about prison medical care)...of course there are costs for repairs, supplies, and other various bills and costs...the left over amount is supposed to go toward rehabilitation of the offenders so that they may re-enter society and be some what sucessful. ...but wait a min!!! There are a shortage of such programs..Why? ...well supposedly there are a lack of finances. LOL. Crazy huh?...So just like any successful business...they want repeat customers.

It should be noted that the three strikes law applies to even low level offences...they are compared...So lets just say that Tommy gets a first strike charge of burglary, a second strike of robbery, and then gets a petty theft charge...the courts look at the relationship of the crimes....since all three denote theft of some sort..then the petty theft is considered the third strike...Bye bye Tommy!
 


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If Tommy knew about the three strikes program and kept doing it anyhow, Tommy is either a moron or is never going to stop doing it so keeping him from burglarizing your house (or escalating to something far more heinous) I'm not exactly against him getting a permanent place of residence.


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Posts: 1287 | Posted: 2:47 PM on April 1, 2007 | IP
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If some one rapes a little girl, get out of jail and molest another child, then a third time sexualy abuses another child. I think it could be safe to put that person away for life.


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I'm sure the parents of children two and three really wished it'd happened sooner, but I get your point.  Some offenses shouldn't take three strikes.  Others perhaps should be allowed more (depending upon the circumstances).


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Posts: 1287 | Posted: 6:31 PM on April 10, 2007 | IP
    
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