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Why should my tax dollor go for some convicted inmate to have 3 hots, and a cot !
Heck.... I think they need to exspand it to more crimes !!!
 


Posts: 7 | Posted: 03:46 AM on June 15, 2003 | IP
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It costs you more tax dollars for an execution than it does for imprisonment.

Execution and waiting for it is very expensive.

Plus the government wastes far more money in other areas.

Like a war on iraq for example...
 


Posts: 66 | Posted: 07:19 AM on June 18, 2003 | IP
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Plus the death penalty puts the US claim of highest standard of human rights to doubt.

Out of all Western developed nations only the US still has capital punishment.
 


Posts: 66 | Posted: 07:22 AM on June 18, 2003 | IP
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Hi,

I am from Germany and in my oppinion
Death Penalty is necessary:

The state has to protect the public,
if a committer is supposed to repeat the
delict of murder, he must be kept away from
public. The securest way for that is DP.
I think, someone who took an innocent´s life,
has lost his right to live.
But for example if someone has killed his
father for inheritance, one must not expect that he will kill someone else.
Of course he must be punished for that, but
he is not a danger for the public.

Some weeks ago two children disappeared in
Germany, shortly after their dead corpses
were found, the police caught the murderers.
The two men should be tortured, killed in the
most horrible way, one can imagine, and become reanimated until they beg on their knees for their death.

Perhaps this sounds exaggerated and strange,
but in my oppinion the fact, that these two
murderers, who killed a ten years old girl and
her little brother, may go on living in jail in
a comfortable way(TV, sports, two warm meals
a day, etc.), seems to me perverse and
repulsive.

I appologize for my bad English, but I hope one
can understand my attitude.

Greetings,
Michael

 


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I don't really have an opinion on this but if someone killed a relative of mine i'd want him sentenced to death.


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Posts: 31 | Posted: 01:20 AM on June 21, 2003 | IP
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rebunk my last statement.  I believe if a obvious murderer gets a guilty sentence he should be killed within 90 days to prevent public cost.  Also I think lethal injections are to easy for the pieces of trash, I think they should be killed THE EXACT SAME WAY they killed the person.


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Posts: 31 | Posted: 01:24 AM on June 21, 2003 | IP
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In my opinion the death penalty is the very wrong way to work against criminal activity like murdering! It is bad enough that human beings are able to be so cruel towards each other and especially are able to kill. But I think this cannot be any reason to establish death penalty! If we execute death penalty, we will not be better than murderers. This is no way to solve criminal problems! This is only immoral! People, who support death penalty, should use their brain and think about correctness of their behaviour.
Of course it is much more easier to kill murderers than teaching and helping them to find back into society life. This attitude I will never understand! Finally I am very glad to live in a country, where everyone has got the right to live and nobody tries to play god deciding, who is allowed to live and who not!
 


Posts: 2 | Posted: 4:54 PM on June 27, 2003 | IP
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I completely understand that killing someone for killing someone sucks ass but what do you prefer...death penalty meaning being killed with absolutaly no possibility of reoccurance or life with out parole meaning that there is a possibility they may excape. There have also been times when they ended up getting parole. One James Moore raped and strangled 14 year old Pamela Moss. Her parents decided not to have him put to death on the condition that he be given life without parole. Just after a couple of years thanx to the change in sentencing laws in 1982 Moore was eligible for parole every two years. There was always that little possibility that her parents had in the back of their mind that the man that killed their daughter may be let out to kill again. There are many flaws the system...to me not putting Moore and people like him are not put do death.


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I think that if a convict is proven to be 100% guilty of the crime, them put them to death. I think it would be better for society because not only would it clear us of the totally disturbed, but it would also limit those who think they can get away with murder. We would also not have to spend as much tax money to keep those twisted people alive. But like i said, They should be proven to be 100% guilty.
 


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How can a man "turn the other cheak" if he is dead?  I fully understand that verse, but there is a bit of a difference in offending somebody and murdering them.  There is also quite a difference in murdering and killing, I don't know why so many people don't understand this.

Look at the most common arguments against the death penalty.  One misconception is that it punishes people without 100% assurance that they're guilty.  There have been 77 total overturnings of a death penalty verdict.  Why that many?  Because they're on death row.  If they were only serving a life sentence, they would have never gotten out.  But since inmates on death row receive far more, many times more chances to appeal than do inmates that are not on death row, they have many more chances to get out of their punishment--mind you, winning the appeal in no way means that the inmate is actually innocent, only that somebody did something wrong at their trial.  If the prosecution conducted a search while a subpeona or warrant was on its way, even if they got it two minutes after they went inside the building, then the entire ruling is overturned.

Another misconception is that it costs more to put a person to death than it does to keep them in jail for life.  This is simply a lie, and if it wasn't, it would still not be a valid reason to abolish the death penalty.  It costs more than twice as much to keep an inmate in for life than it does to put them to death, on average.  And--let's say it did cost more to put them to death--you would still have to factor in the dozens of appeals and court costs for them.  And aside from that, it wouldn't cost nearly as much to execute somebody if we didn't let them die of old age in their cell.  The U.S. has more than 3,500 inmates on death row, and most of them are on death row for more than fifteen years before their execution.

Even if the system was flawed, as some people claim, I would be willing to give my life so that fifty murderers would receive their just rewards.  Because that would mean that those murderers won't get the chance to murder again.

Honestly, I wouldn't have a problem with abolishing the death penalty if our prison systems weren't a joke.  It's supposed to be punishment.
 


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Capital punishment is a necessary "evil" . You don't get the death sentence because of an accident or a crime of passion. The cold blooded murder of an individual, thought out and executed, demonstrates no regard for human life. What do you do with a rabid animal? Put it down  ! Capital punishment /executions should be televised as
a deterant . You decide to kill ,KNOW THE RAMIFICATIONS of your actions. I believe in public hangings.


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hi i am from austria. we don't have deathpenalty and that's good. Isn't it stupid to kill somebody. If there is a murderer , he was stupid, because he killed somebody, the state says: ey that was not okay, and kills em; isn't it unlogic?  So you come to america, there somebody you don't like, kill em; why not the state does it to. please think about that

One thing i don't understand:
okay i am against death penalty, but why is it cheaper to feat somebody lifelong than kill em?
i read an execution cost 2 million dollars,
for what?
 


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For The Morally Bankrupt,

I keep reading the argument that executing a murderer is no different than the murder of an innocent person. It astonishes me. The fact that these people cannot grasp the moral distinction between the kidnap, torture, and murder of 11-year-old Polly Klaas and the execution of her kidnapper, torturer, and murderer Richard Allen Davis, is truly sad.

I ask these people to honestly think about the two following quotes:

"If capital punishment is state murder, then imprisonment must be state kidnapping."
- William F. Buckley Jr.

"To claim that the murder of an innocent and the execution of the murderer are morally equivalent because they both involve taking a life is as morally perverse as a claim that rape and lovemaking are morally equivalent because the both involve sexual intercourse."
- Dennis Prager

 


Posts: 0 | Posted: 04:05 AM on February 11, 2004 | IP
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so  im sitting hear reading  over these debates and  im seeing the same scripture pop up over and over and over    the one  in matthew  "you have heard an eye for an eye" etc etc...  but  i  come bearing news   the context of that scripture is not about GOVERNMENT v.s.  murder   jesus  is  directing  that statement towrds everyday people  it  also  says  later  on in the New Testament that the government has the right to put a person to death if in accordance to the law   look  up  these 2 old testament  scriptures
Deutoronomy 13:6-10
Deutoronomy 17:5
and  also  if  u say that the death penalty means  that the government is stooping to the murderers level  then it looks  to me like your placing a higher value  on the murderer  than on the victim
 


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ok this may be slightly random buuut...as far as i know..and i have been reading his life story recently... jeffery dahmer did not invite people over and feed them human flesh...in fact the reason he killed is because he did not really know how to interact with people and felt he could only do this when they were dead..this really has nothing to do with the issue of the death penalty but i just wanted 2 correct an earlier post..p.s....death penalty sux.
 


Posts: 1 | Posted: 2:38 PM on March 8, 2004 | IP
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An eye for an eye?  Starting, if you want to get religious, even with a seperation of church and state, that's part of the old testament.  The new testament practices more on forgiveness (a slight but not so slight contradiction, I mean, do you want to listen to the creator or Christ?), which is why I don't really believe in Christianity.  BUT, for the religious, the quote is actually: "An eye for an eye, a tooth for a tooth, revenge is mine, sayeth the Lord."
So, wouldn't revenge be technically be the responsibility of "God"?  I mean, come on, who are we to try and disagree with his words.

The death penalty is not immoral because it is killing a human being, it is immoral because the taking of the life serves no beneficial purpose to society in general.

What are we to gain from killing a man, besides washing the blood off of his hands and getting it stained into ours.

Revenge?  We can't be so angry at these criminals that we have to kill them. Anger makes you smaller, while forgiveness forces you to grow beyond what you were(Cherie Carter).  It really doesn’t matter if the person who hurt you or your family/friends deserves to be forgiven. Forgiveness is a gift someone gives to themself.  People have to move on from the regrettable past and focus on the future.  There is no actual benefit of the convicted man's death.

If you hate a person, you hate something in him that is part of yourself.(Hermann Hesse). Anyone could kill, and for more reasons imaginable.  Does killing give the right to kill?  After we have come so far, how does hatred permit us to descend into the most simplistic factors of ancient culture.

I do not say that a killer is a good person or that a killer is not responsible for his actions and shouldn't be held responsible, but I'm saying that we can't be what we want to be if we can't just accept that things happen, that's the breaks, and that no matter what we do it doesn't change it.


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Hi my name is autumn and i'm doing a report for school on the death penalty. i'm trying to stay neutral and some of the stuff you guys say makes sense. the one i really dont get is people should be killed the way they killed people. i kno that the families are angry with the person and would just love to watch them suffer but thats cruel and unusual punishment. i kno that the person murdered should never have had to go through that kind of pain but if we begin to use they're methods arent we just as bad if not worse than the murderer themselves?  i could really use some help with this subject.  if you can help me i would be greatful. if you have AIM my s/n is devilbabe13525  thankyou
 


Posts: 4 | Posted: 9:18 PM on February 11, 2005 | IP
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Robert Shield #999166 is scheduled to be executed on August 23, 2005



The following is a copy of what Robert Shields, 999166, to Governor Rick Perry of Texas. Said letter was mailed to Governor Perry on or about August 15, 2005 via Certified Mail Article Number 7005 0390 0004 9461 8044.

My name is Robert Alan Shields Jr. and with this letter, I respectfully invite you to witness my execution, along with my family, set for August 23rd, 2005.

I think it is important that you see with your own eyes that this is lives and devastation, not just another political stepping stone.

Do you think you would have the same opinion of the situation after sitting down talking to me and being forced to see me as a person and not just another piece of paper being pushed across your desk?

I would ask that you be there to answer my loved ones questions. Explain to them why they too had to become victims.

It is time for you to have the courage of your convictions and stand there looking me in the eyes as those lethal drugs take my life.

August 10, 2005 by Robert Shields #999166

On August 10th 2005 the state of Texas murdered another man-Gary Sterling! Knowing the state as I do I am sure it was all very clean and efficient.

I was not in my cell to witness the Grey Suit grim reaper's do there death march or have there hand shaking contest. I did see Gary leave the visitation room with his head held high and a smile on his face as the rest of the guy's back there said there goodbye's to him and passed along words of encouragement. May you rest in peace Gary Lynn Sterling.

Well folks I have less than ten days to go until my own state sanctioned murder. I have not heard any news but its not looking so good. Do you people see how insane it is to know the exact date an time of your own murder and sit patiently waiting for it. Its definitely playing with my mind. It will not be long before my blood too is greasing the wheels of Texas Death Machine. I'll talk to you again soon.

Robert Shields
#999116
Polunsky Unit
3872 FM 350 S.
Livingston, TX 77351

source:  http://www.1prison.com/shields.html


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Quote from fallingupwards84 at 5:18 PM on November 25, 2002 :
maynard, your argument is ridiculous. for example, China has over a billion people in it and is overcrowded. by your logic, that means we should kill about 30% of them in order to make space.


This is one of the stupidest things I have ever read. The general population of China is not all convicted murderers. Talk about a ridiculous argument. Try thinking before you post.
 


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Quote from Guest at 04:05 AM on February 11, 2004 :
For The Morally Bankrupt,

I keep reading the argument that executing a murderer is no different than the murder of an innocent person. It astonishes me. The fact that these people cannot grasp the moral distinction between the kidnap, torture, and murder of 11-year-old Polly Klaas and the execution of her kidnapper, torturer, and murderer Richard Allen Davis, is truly sad.

I ask these people to honestly think about the two following quotes:

"If capital punishment is state murder, then imprisonment must be state kidnapping."
- William F. Buckley Jr.

"To claim that the murder of an innocent and the execution of the murderer are morally equivalent because they both involve taking a life is as morally perverse as a claim that rape and lovemaking are morally equivalent because the both involve sexual intercourse."
- Dennis Prager



Brilliant! I couldn't agree more with these quotes.

 


Posts: 9 | Posted: 8:00 PM on June 11, 2006 | IP
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The main problem with the death penalty is that it is extremely hypocritical - the legal system says that the worst thing someone can do is kill another, and yet goes ahead and kills someone itself.

Such an act of blatant hypocrisy does nothing but undermine the legal system under which it occurs - it's simply illogical to condemn an act and then do that same act yourself.

Trust me, i'm the LAST person to have sympathy for a convicted criminal, and hence that's not what my objection to the death penalty is based on - i cannot stand hypocrisy period, let alone hypocrisy being practised by a system that claims to set the moral standards for society.

Lock people away for life without parole, for sure: let them live the rest of their lives in solitude - living with the inevitable guilt and regret that accompanies their crimes. Killing them gives them an easy way out - let them rot away in prison longing to be back amongst society and knowing they never will be.  
 


Posts: 292 | Posted: 11:51 PM on June 14, 2006 | IP
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I think the main issue is this... if someone steals from you, you can make them (i.e. the government can) pay you back.  It's called restitution.  If they hurt you, you can make them pay for your medical bills.  How can you restore someone's life?  The punishment has to fit the crime, or else it is not a deterrent.  People will say (I'm sure) that criminals will continue to break laws no matter what the punishments are, but there is no way to tell how many people don't become criminals because the possible punishments DO deter them from comitting them in the first place.


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You can't restore someone's life...and killing someone else is certainly not the way to try, either.

The death penalty simply feeds of the anger in people - their lust for revenge. It says to people that killing someone is okay 'if they're a bad enough person' - it does nothing to try and restore anything in the victim's lives, and does nothing to restore any sense of decency or unity within society as a whole.

Penalties as deterrents only go so far - if someone is angry enough, psycho enough, depressed enough or desperate enough they'll act on it, period - no thoughts of "i might get the death penalty if i do that", they'll do it regardless. 99.9% of the time, if anythings going to stop someone from committing a capital offence it's going to be their emotions or rational thoughts - not the possibility of death in about a decades time.

The legal system should be the governing body telling society that killing someone is wrong, period - not that killing-someone-is-wrong-but-if-they're-a-bad-person-and-you-all-feel-angry-enough-at-them-that-they-should-die-then-we'll-kill-them-for-you. It's hypocritical and unnecessary.

 


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It's only hypocritical if you are looking at it from the standpoint that the innocent victim and the mass murderer have the same rights (and, of course, ignore the fact that the mass murderer ignored the victim's rights).


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Who's to say we have the right to kill someone? When is it absolutely, positively COMPLETELY okay and RIGHT to kill someone? What must they have done and how must they have done it?
 


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Well, if you believe in God, you already know the answer and if you don't, there are laws already in place.


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Look, i realise the Old Testament teaches "an eye for an eye" and so forth, but doesn't the New Testament teach something somewhat different? Like, the whole "he who is without sin shall cast the first stone" and turning the other cheek and so forth? I mean, it seems to me that a little selective interpretation is occurring here...

And the "laws" set out re: the death penalty and who deserves it aren't exactly what one would call "clear cut" - it often comes down to pressure from society on prosecutors and whether or not discretion should be utilised in each case...is that a fair method of deciding who should die and who should not? The revenge factor to me is still far to prominent.
 


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"Death sentence for insulting tattoos"

22-06-2006

"A MAN in China has been sentenced to death for tattooing insulting and obscene words on the bodies of three women against their will, state press said today.

Zhou Jingzhi, 42, was sentenced to death with a two year reprieve by an intermediate court in Jilin province on Tuesday, the Xinhua news agency reported.
Zhou was convicted of kidnapping a former lover identified only as Dong in 2004 and using threats and other unspecified means to tattoo over 100 Chinese characters on her body, the report said.

Zhou was arrested in January 2005, after which his former wife heard about the case and revealed to police he had also tattooed insults on her back, neck and face, according to Xinhua.

"Seduced seven men" and "seduces men into buying sex" were two of the insults tattooed on his ex-wife, the report said.

A third women also came forward accusing Zhou of similar crimes, Xinhua said without giving specifics on how he forced the women to succumb to the tattoos.

The three women protested to the judge that the sentence was not harsh enough because the two year reprieve most likely means the death penalty will be cut to life in prison."

Copyright 2004 News Limited.



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I agree with the death penalty because i agree with the general term of Hummarabi's code, ie: The punishment should fit the crime, like if you kill someone you deserve to be killed, let me say this now religon does NOT get a part in this. on all moral sides pro or con it is unfair. they killed someone so they should be killed for that but kiling is wrong but they killed. so you see, this matter doesn't and CANNOT make sense. in the end with this subject all that really lets you choose is should you bring another death to the toll. thats it.

the matter of how they should die is simple, shooting. it allows for organ harvest and thier death meant they did so much bad that they are killed. some good should come from thier death, nothing can ever right the injustice of killing another but we should still TRY to do good. shooting execution does not involve takin an m16 and spraying up and down thier body, its shooting them in the head, no pain, quick, as humantarian as it can be to kill someone. we shouldn't jump to thier level of torture to kill.

You can still believe DP wrong, peoples opinions are only thier owns. This is mine, id be happier for someone to disagree with me than to agree. I dont want to impose my morals on others, i simply want to state my opinion. Thats it.

(Edited by slowdownandthink 7/18/2006 at 12:10 AM).


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The death penalty simply feeds off people's desire for revenge - nothing more. It doesn't 'fix' anything, it doesn't 'right' any wrongs - it creates another wrong, in fact, because another human being is dead. Religious arguments don't make sense here, as the New Testament cancelled out the Old Testament's teachings on the death penalty, so you can't use the Bible here. It's all your own desires of revenge and it's sickening.

The death penalty is also such a hypocritical practice - the legal system (and all morals) says killing another is the worst thing you can do, and yet the same legal system kills a human being itself. It undermines the entire system, for crying out loud, and i cannot believe people can't see that.

I have no sympathy for those who kill others - put them away forever, i don't care. But don't lower yourselves to their level and be a part of killing someone yourself - that's the real tragedy: allowing your anger at these people to make killers out of yourselves.
 


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What is more cruel.  Ending the life of someone who has brutally raped, tortured, and killed innocent people?  Or putting someone in a cage for the rest of their life?  Which would you prefer?


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Ending a life is obviously more cruel as that's what those who are pro-death penalty want most - revenge. If you all truly believed "putting someone in a cage" would cause them more suffering, I'm sure you'd support it first and foremost. I prefer the "cage" scenario as it means I myself have not become a killer also.
 


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Perhaps I wasn't clear... would YOU rather be lethally injected OR put in a cage for the rest of YOUR life?  Which would you consider to be less humane?  Not which one lets you sleep better at night as long as it is happening to someone else.


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Quote from EMyers at 10:07 PM on July 18, 2006 :
Not which one lets you sleep better at night as long as it is happening to someone else.


Excuse me, but i think i'm the last one here who deserved the tone in the above comment.

Anyway, I apologise for misunderstanding your question: which would i prefer? I wouldn't know, as I've never been in such a situation as to deserve either, but judging by the efforts of those who have in appealing time and time again against the death penalty, i'm guessing most of us would prefer the cage option. Are you maybe trying to say that you believe the death penalty to be more humane?


 


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Have you ever talked with a person who has been in prison for an inordinate amount of time?  There is great truth to the fact that "prison changes people".  I know that I (and many others) would rather get it over with if we knew that the "hangman's noose" was coming than to live with the knowledge that it was coming.  Think about it.  If I stuck you in a cage and told you that next year at this time I'm going to strap you in a chair and run a few thousand (don't know the exact number) volts (yes I know its the amps, not the volts that kill you) through you, how do you think that year is going to go by for you?  Now imagine that I'm going to stick you in a cage (possibly with someone who thinks you "have a perty mouth") for the rest of your life (let's assume that its for a long time given the irony of that statement).  I don't believe that most people want to "die an old man" in prison.  I'd be surprised if that were your preference.  


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Alrighty, first of all - is your argument now that you and others are pro-death penalty because you see it as less cruel/inhumane than locking someone away for the rest of their lives?

Secondly, do you thus believe that we should therefore not allow criminals condemned to die to appeal against their sentences, as this would have them caged up for a while? But of course, maybe they wouldn't appeal because they'd rather die than be "in a cage" for the rest of their lives...i guess that's why so few people on death row are there for so long because of their constant efforts to appeal against their sentence.

Thirdly, I said before that I really cannot make an informed decision as to whether I would rather be killed than live out my life in prison, as I've never been in the situation before. However, as i also said before, judging by how many criminals on death row remain there for countless years appealing against their sentences, it looks as though the trend is to choose life in prison. And I've always prided myself on being trendy.


 


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From a Christian perspective I would say no man has the right to take the life of another no matter what crime he had committed. However, I have occassionally wondered if it is Biblical to imprison people. I mean, if you are almost 100% sure that they will reoffend is it moral to keep them in prison to protect potential victims?
Just wondering if anyone has any ideas?


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From a Christian perspective I would say no man has the right to take the life of another no matter what crime he had committed.

If a foreign country invaded the United States, would you fight them?  Do you think that all soldiers (fly boys, jar heads, etc) should just watch them waltz in?

If a man walked into your house and started strangling your wife (daughter, mother, etc) how much force would you use to stop him.

If a man pulls a gun on the police, should they just eat the bullet or can they fire back?




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All those things are in the heat of the moment and in defence of someone or something - the death penalty is killing someone years after the fact and is completely premeditated and motivated by revenge, not by the justified action of self-defence.
 


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That's not what he said.  He said no man has the right to take the life of another no matter what crime he had committed.  I'm still waiting for an answer from him.


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Alrighty - just trying to get my point across.
 


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Every year people die due to errors in our judicial system. Either we need to make some changes or the death penalty needs to be abolished completely. We can not allow more innocent people to die for crimes they never commited.


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You're right.  Let's ban abortion.  Oops, wrong thread.


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The death penalty is severly flawed.  That is the reason behind the appeals process - not to get innocent people off death row.  Once a 'jury of your peers' sentences you to death you are screwed unless you can find some legal mistake to base an appeal on.  
The death penalty is final.  Once carried out there is no going back.  The biggest problem with the death penalty is the legal system itself.
I must point out Scott Peterson.  The fact of if he did it or not is not the point for what I am trying to say here.  He was convicted of murder without forensic evidence.  This jury convicted him to die based on circumstances.  That is scary.  He will most likely never face his sentence, but he will probably die in prison.  If he is guilty then fine, but if he is not guilty then it is a shame.
That's just one example of many.  People are convicted to death in this country for as little as being inthe wrong place at the wrong time.  Jurors are quick to order that murder, yet we accept that.
When is murder justifiable?  how do we have the right to dictate when one person's life is more important than anothers?
Sick, cruel and barbaric.  The United States is far behind other nations.  That sad fact is that the other countries who still use the death penalty are countries we normally would never side with.  This country is quick to judge others, but our own closet has some bones in it.
 


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Death penalty is BAD... mistakes are made, nuff said.  Life imprisonment, and if a mistake was made, it will be found it and the mistake can be corrected while the person is still alive... rather than dead.
 


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This coming from the guy who says we should all revolt against the government?  How many innocent do you think would die in a civil war?  Seriously?


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I cant believe you advocate civil war and overthrow of the USA government.. where is your patriotism?
 


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That would be funny if it weren't so sad.  Here is a direct cut and paste from another post of JetSunn...

We work to change them?  lol

The same people who laid down the law in USA were TRAITORS in the eyes of England and King George.

If you win a revolution its good.. if you lose its bad, lol  Our founding forefathers did not work with England to change the laws.. they started a revolution to change them, and they won.

Dont work with people.. start a revolution to change things.. its your duty to revolt if you dont like things...unless you got no ballz


In one post he tells us to revolt against the government and in another he tries to act like he would never consider such a thing.  Clearly his hypocrisy knows no bounds.


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Yes, well, someone like myself finds it a little weird that someone who is so opposed to abortion could be so in support of the death penalty.
 


Posts: 292 | Posted: 04:24 AM on October 20, 2006 | IP
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Yeah, an innocent child and a serial rapist/murderer surely deserve the same fate in your eyes.


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