PRO

Where Your Ideas can change Minds

Please visit our new forum at

http://www.4forums.com

CON


YouDebate.com Forum
» back to YouDebate.com
Register | Profile | Log In | Lost Password | Active Users | Help | Board Rules | Search | FAQ |
Custom Search
» You are not logged in.   log in | register

  YouDebate.com Forum
   Peace in the Middle East
     How should we solve the prob?

Topic Jump
« Back
Multiple pages for this topic [ 1 2 3 4 5 ]
Forum moderated by: admin
    

    
Exxoss

|        |       Report Post




Junkie
Post Score
Adjustment:
n/a

Rate this post:

(YOU WRITE A HELL OF A LOT!!!)I think its morally unacceptable to BOMB INNOCENCE ON PURPOSE during a war on terrorism rather than the innocent arabs.


-------
I am Exxoss, come to save you all from your impending doom!!!!
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!

-Exxoss
 


Posts: 438 | Posted: 11:29 AM on October 17, 2002 | IP
AlexanderTheGreat

|     |       Report Post




Regular
Post Score
Adjustment:
n/a

Rate this post:

Please tell me when we have INTENTIONALLY  bombed innocent arabs in the war on terrorism. Or else, I didn't understand your post.


-------
Alex
 


Posts: 292 | Posted: 11:36 AM on October 17, 2002 | IP
tsmith2771

|       |       Report Post




Junkie
Post Score
Adjustment:
n/a

Rate this post:

I doubt the army is deliberatly bombing innocent people in afghanistan.


-------
"I have no interest in making blacks equal to whites, they are of a lesser quality and this I am sure of." -Abraham Lincoln
"You don't win a war by dying for your country, you win a war by making the other person die for theirs." -General George Patton
 


Posts: 372 | Posted: 03:18 AM on October 18, 2002 | IP
madbilly

|      |       Report Post




Junkie
Post Score
Adjustment:
n/a

Rate this post:

would you rather afghanistan bombing innocents in america? all wars have there cost it is nothing personal but realisticly we need to worry about american lives first. Why  you might ask...bc we are americans....its like this ..if you see two people about to get blown up by a bomb and one was a stranger and the other your girl friend who would you try to save...(and it is one of those scenarios where you could only save one) of course it would be your girlfriend. Now with the cost of precision guided missles do you really think we would waste them on innocent civilins on purpose? why do we have to be the only country that has to care about every other countries civilins lives...do these countries care about ours.


-------
my name is madbilly....what did you expect me to be happy when my name says Mad in it...
 


Posts: 451 | Posted: 2:53 PM on October 22, 2002 | IP
thistownwilleatu

|       |       Report Post



Junkie
Post Score
Adjustment:
n/a

Rate this post:

Almost every other country has relatively similar views on civilian casualities.  And to be a christain you have some pretty jaded views on the value of a human life.  Do you think God gives a flying crap whether or not it's an "American" or not?  


-------
"The greatest evil is not done in those sordid dens of evil that Dickens loved to paint ... but is conceived and ordered (moved, seconded, carried and minuted) in clear, carpeted, warmed, well-lighted offices, by quiet men with white collars and cut fingernails and smooth-shaven cheeks who do not need to raise their voices." - Thomas Merton

"I thank my God for every remembrance of you." - Paul
 


Posts: 341 | Posted: 5:55 PM on October 22, 2002 | IP
AlexanderTheGreat

|     |       Report Post




Regular
Post Score
Adjustment:
n/a

Rate this post:

Very good point. Let's try to find all the bad Christians. But I don't need any excuse. I am not a Christian, and like Machiavelli, I agree there is no place for Christianity in public morality. I am alternately a utilitarian and psychological egoist, depending on my mood (when I last got laid or had a good meal)


-------
Alex
 


Posts: 292 | Posted: 10:04 PM on October 22, 2002 | IP
madbilly

|      |       Report Post




Junkie
Post Score
Adjustment:
n/a

Rate this post:

yes he does but when you are at war (i havnt been so i dont really know) it is kill or be killed. We as a nation should worry more about our own lives than we do about other lives. the president must protect american lives over other lives (of course a dead person cant vote but one alive bc of a presidents actins can vote for him). im not saying it is okay to kill civilians but what it comes down to is that we as a nation should worry about our welfare then our allies and then the others it is a political debate now not a religious one


-------
my name is madbilly....what did you expect me to be happy when my name says Mad in it...
 


Posts: 451 | Posted: 12:26 AM on October 23, 2002 | IP
thistownwilleatu

|       |       Report Post



Junkie
Post Score
Adjustment:
n/a

Rate this post:

madbilly,

You have a American Christain male and a Iraqi Muslim.  Both are completely innocent, but you must kill one of them.


-------
"The greatest evil is not done in those sordid dens of evil that Dickens loved to paint ... but is conceived and ordered (moved, seconded, carried and minuted) in clear, carpeted, warmed, well-lighted offices, by quiet men with white collars and cut fingernails and smooth-shaven cheeks who do not need to raise their voices." - Thomas Merton

"I thank my God for every remembrance of you." - Paul
 


Posts: 341 | Posted: 01:52 AM on October 23, 2002 | IP
madbilly

|      |       Report Post




Junkie
Post Score
Adjustment:
n/a

Rate this post:

bye bye iraqi muslim. The american is from my country i would take pride in that. I have something in common with the american and if i where in the military it would be my duty and since the military are the ones which make this choice what do you think happens.


-------
my name is madbilly....what did you expect me to be happy when my name says Mad in it...
 


Posts: 451 | Posted: 01:55 AM on October 23, 2002 | IP
thistownwilleatu

|       |       Report Post



Junkie
Post Score
Adjustment:
n/a

Rate this post:

Would you kill 2 innocent iraqi citizens to spare the american, 5, 10?


-------
"The greatest evil is not done in those sordid dens of evil that Dickens loved to paint ... but is conceived and ordered (moved, seconded, carried and minuted) in clear, carpeted, warmed, well-lighted offices, by quiet men with white collars and cut fingernails and smooth-shaven cheeks who do not need to raise their voices." - Thomas Merton

"I thank my God for every remembrance of you." - Paul
 


Posts: 341 | Posted: 02:00 AM on October 23, 2002 | IP
madbilly

|      |       Report Post




Junkie
Post Score
Adjustment:
n/a

Rate this post:

if at war yes....if i was a soldier it would be my duty to save american lives if the iraqi citizens didn wont to die then they would run away, have a revolution and overthrow saddam hussein, stay out of any city or populated area where this might occur, run like hell if i see military action happening or sense it to happen, or just surrender. You act as if we owe anyone there life. we dont but they arent required to forfeit theirs to our hands. WE overthrogh our british government with fighting bc we felt it unjust...why cant they overthrow hussein to spare their own lives. we fought for our freedom and we are not responsible for them not fighting for theres


-------
my name is madbilly....what did you expect me to be happy when my name says Mad in it...
 


Posts: 451 | Posted: 02:06 AM on October 23, 2002 | IP
thistownwilleatu

|       |       Report Post



Junkie
Post Score
Adjustment:
n/a

Rate this post:

Good lord.  You're not at war.  Youre not a soldier.  Youre not fighting the british, and saddam has nothing to do with it.  Answer the question.


-------
"The greatest evil is not done in those sordid dens of evil that Dickens loved to paint ... but is conceived and ordered (moved, seconded, carried and minuted) in clear, carpeted, warmed, well-lighted offices, by quiet men with white collars and cut fingernails and smooth-shaven cheeks who do not need to raise their voices." - Thomas Merton

"I thank my God for every remembrance of you." - Paul
 


Posts: 341 | Posted: 12:06 PM on October 23, 2002 | IP
madbilly

|      |       Report Post




Junkie
Post Score
Adjustment:
n/a

Rate this post:

let me put it this way i dont care for the islamic people that support  jihad nor do i care about iraqi citizens. i would rather save an american over any other countries citizen bc our people are like are family but only in a broad sense. of course i would save the american. And the debate here is not about me saving a life it has evolved into one about the responsability of the president to save american lives instead of foreigners lives. we are as a country and as a government supposed to protect our own first and worry about others later.


-------
my name is madbilly....what did you expect me to be happy when my name says Mad in it...
 


Posts: 451 | Posted: 12:12 PM on October 23, 2002 | IP
thistownwilleatu

|       |       Report Post



Junkie
Post Score
Adjustment:
n/a

Rate this post:

What have the majority of Saddam-hating Iraqi citizens done to you?  You've let a few imaginary lines lead you to hate someone for no reason.  And what you're saying goes completely against the bible and the word of Jesus.  Well now that I think of it youre right, maybe when he said to love your enemies, and love your neighbor, he literally only meant the guy next door.  


-------
"The greatest evil is not done in those sordid dens of evil that Dickens loved to paint ... but is conceived and ordered (moved, seconded, carried and minuted) in clear, carpeted, warmed, well-lighted offices, by quiet men with white collars and cut fingernails and smooth-shaven cheeks who do not need to raise their voices." - Thomas Merton

"I thank my God for every remembrance of you." - Paul
 


Posts: 341 | Posted: 12:24 PM on October 23, 2002 | IP
madbilly

|      |       Report Post




Junkie
Post Score
Adjustment:
n/a

Rate this post:

who said i hated them i only said i dont care about them. and if they hated saddam hussein (like we hated the king of england during the revolution) then why dont the have a revolution...we would back them you know but they dont is it bc they are lazy or is it bc they dont mind saddam hussein either way it is there fault..hell america will let anyone come here why dont they immigrat.


-------
my name is madbilly....what did you expect me to be happy when my name says Mad in it...
 


Posts: 451 | Posted: 12:29 PM on October 23, 2002 | IP
thistownwilleatu

|       |       Report Post



Junkie
Post Score
Adjustment:
n/a

Rate this post:

You've got a point.  Why don't they storm Saddam with sticks and rocks, after all he's only got a full military, chemical and biological weapons (which he has used on his own people).  
Or maybe they could go exclusively for Saddam, an assasination of sorts, they could rig up a catapult...but theyre to lazy.


-------
"The greatest evil is not done in those sordid dens of evil that Dickens loved to paint ... but is conceived and ordered (moved, seconded, carried and minuted) in clear, carpeted, warmed, well-lighted offices, by quiet men with white collars and cut fingernails and smooth-shaven cheeks who do not need to raise their voices." - Thomas Merton

"I thank my God for every remembrance of you." - Paul
 


Posts: 341 | Posted: 12:32 PM on October 23, 2002 | IP
madbilly

|      |       Report Post




Junkie
Post Score
Adjustment:
n/a

Rate this post:

well that is there fault that they let the government institute gun control laws...if they dont own guns it is there fault...there is always a black market ...how many times did german citizens try to assasinate hitler...with no guns. they tried to blow him up with home made bombs


-------
my name is madbilly....what did you expect me to be happy when my name says Mad in it...
 


Posts: 451 | Posted: 12:40 PM on October 23, 2002 | IP
dsadevil

|       |       Report Post




Junkie
Post Score
Adjustment:
n/a

Rate this post:

here's an interesting question. you have an iraqi christian, and an american muslim protester/dissenter, and you must kill one. Both are totally innocent of any crimes. which one?


-------
"If stupidity got us into this mess, why can't it get us out?" -Will Rodgers<br><br><br>"Neither man nor nation can prosper unless in looking at the present, thought is steadily taken for the future." -T. Roosevelt<br><br>"Might I remind you that extremism in the pursuit of liberty is no vice, and moderation in the pursuit of justice, is no virtue." -Barry Goldwater<br><br>

Respect through Excellence only
 


Posts: 789 | Posted: 3:03 PM on October 23, 2002 | IP
madbilly

|      |       Report Post




Junkie
Post Score
Adjustment:
n/a

Rate this post:

say good bye to the iraqi, we are talking about not what i as an individual would do but rather what the president or military would do. it can not be biased on religion yet rather nationality. if at war you protect your citizens and the american citizen pays taxes for that protection the iraqi doesnt pay taxes to america for the protction that we receive from our armed forces. As an maerican we are entitled to protection.


-------
my name is madbilly....what did you expect me to be happy when my name says Mad in it...
 


Posts: 451 | Posted: 3:15 PM on October 23, 2002 | IP
thistownwilleatu

|       |       Report Post



Junkie
Post Score
Adjustment:
n/a

Rate this post:

Yes we are talking about what you as an individual would do...quit pretending youre the president, a soldier, whatever.  Say we're not about to go to war with Iraq but our relationship with them as a nation is equivalent to our policy with Canada.  You're you.  YOU have to choose.


-------
"The greatest evil is not done in those sordid dens of evil that Dickens loved to paint ... but is conceived and ordered (moved, seconded, carried and minuted) in clear, carpeted, warmed, well-lighted offices, by quiet men with white collars and cut fingernails and smooth-shaven cheeks who do not need to raise their voices." - Thomas Merton

"I thank my God for every remembrance of you." - Paul
 


Posts: 341 | Posted: 4:54 PM on October 23, 2002 | IP
madbilly

|      |       Report Post




Junkie
Post Score
Adjustment:
n/a

Rate this post:

how can a debate about peace in the middle east have anything to do with me. it isnt about me but rather my nation....but to give you an answer anyways i would honestly personally save the christian iraqi bc the muslim american is like you said a protester and all that stuff...and that is assuming that we are not at war and that we have a relation ship like we do with canada. also the christian has more in common with me than the muslim so that is a start....but if we are not at war as it was stated then what is the muslim protesting? answer that and i might change my answer depending on what you say


-------
my name is madbilly....what did you expect me to be happy when my name says Mad in it...
 


Posts: 451 | Posted: 7:06 PM on October 23, 2002 | IP
thistownwilleatu

|       |       Report Post



Junkie
Post Score
Adjustment:
n/a

Rate this post:

you always seem to spare the person that is "like familey" or that you have "the most in common with", basically the person that is the most like you.  Why is that?


-------
"The greatest evil is not done in those sordid dens of evil that Dickens loved to paint ... but is conceived and ordered (moved, seconded, carried and minuted) in clear, carpeted, warmed, well-lighted offices, by quiet men with white collars and cut fingernails and smooth-shaven cheeks who do not need to raise their voices." - Thomas Merton

"I thank my God for every remembrance of you." - Paul
 


Posts: 341 | Posted: 8:48 PM on October 23, 2002 | IP
AlexanderTheGreat

|     |       Report Post




Regular
Post Score
Adjustment:
n/a

Rate this post:

madbilly,
you are nuts. yes I do agree it is the job of the american president and the soldiers to as part of their job implicitly value american lives more, but that doesn't mean we are allowed to sacrifice any number of foreign lives to save american lives. it is a numbers game, with a cut0off point that no one can define easily, but it is there, in our minds. i believe in dropping the atom bomb, because it saved american lives and japanese lives. but you know, about 2 years ago a group of UN soldiers surrendered to child soldiers in Sierra Leone (I think) and be kidnapped rather than fire on them. in war you should win, but maybe not at any cost (although i do think if the war was fought for a goal the loss of which was unacceptable to humanity, some crazy $hit would be allowed, but the war in Iraq is not that). here is an interesting question, posed by Dostoevsky (spelled wrong): If all of humanity could be guaranteed eternal bliss by killing one innocent baby, would it be justified? In my opinion it would not be justified, but separate from justification, i would hope 1. that i would have the will to kill that baby, and 2. if not, that somebody else did.


-------
Alex
 


Posts: 292 | Posted: 11:03 PM on October 23, 2002 | IP
madbilly

|      |       Report Post




Junkie
Post Score
Adjustment:
n/a

Rate this post:

because if i didnt have a reason to save either one bc they are both way different and not from my country then it would be a crap shoot as to who i would pick bc i dont favor either.


-------
my name is madbilly....what did you expect me to be happy when my name says Mad in it...
 


Posts: 451 | Posted: 10:39 AM on October 24, 2002 | IP
Exxoss

|        |       Report Post




Junkie
Post Score
Adjustment:
n/a

Rate this post:

Wow, in every case youd kill the iraqi.  That innocent iraqi who did nothing on sept 11 rather than the american who likes bush because he is 'fighting' terrorists.  Did you know that right now, bbush is bombing innocent afgahni villages to 'smoke out' bin laden?  The terrorists wanted to kill americans, where as americans want to kill terrorists rather than innocence.  What about that american muslim guy that helped in bin laden's operations?  He should be sparred because hes american and the other guy is an iraqi?  You have one hell of a government-polluted mind to think that all iraqis are evil/bad.


-------
I am Exxoss, come to save you all from your impending doom!!!!
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!

-Exxoss
 


Posts: 438 | Posted: 5:14 PM on November 1, 2002 | IP
madbilly

|      |       Report Post




Junkie
Post Score
Adjustment:
n/a

Rate this post:

no in one case i saved the iraqi...if they are totally different from me and both from foreign countries i would flip a quarter and save who eveer wins the coin tosss



-------
my name is madbilly....what did you expect me to be happy when my name says Mad in it...
 


Posts: 451 | Posted: 01:47 AM on November 2, 2002 | IP
madbilly

|      |       Report Post




Junkie
Post Score
Adjustment:
n/a

Rate this post:

to solve the problem we should spike the water in the mid east (except israels) with a chemical that will make men sterile so they can have no more children and for you pacifist out there there will be no more killing...so in about 60 years the problem will go away for the most part and israel can annex all the land that is left after they are all died of old age....can you say cheap oil....buyah


-------
my name is madbilly....what did you expect me to be happy when my name says Mad in it...
 


Posts: 451 | Posted: 12:17 PM on November 5, 2002 | IP
AlexanderTheGreat

|     |       Report Post




Regular
Post Score
Adjustment:
n/a

Rate this post:

are you really this mean of a person? are you just deciding to be flippant and not debate seriously? I don't get it. anyway, here's my question: Why not give the land to the Palestinians? i don't know much about the history, like some of you obviously do, but I see maybe they don't deserve it. but in any case, maybe creating peace is more important than right or wrong. i mean, Israel's methods (however legitimate) haven't gotten us any closer to a solution, right? maybe many people like Hamas will keep fighting, but at least Israel with have an undisputable moral high ground if it provides for an acceptable territory for a palestinian state. right? it just seems kinda simple, if it's not working, change. israel should give them the land, pull back and create a tight border, and see what happens. and maybe they should allow UN peacekeepers to come in (I know, sovereignty whatever, who cares, this problem needs solving) and hold the buffer. then encourage people in palestine to vote for someone other than Arafat, and let peace take its course. i know i am simplifying, but doesn't any of what i'm saying hold water???


-------
Alex
 


Posts: 292 | Posted: 05:55 AM on November 6, 2002 | IP
madbilly

|      |       Report Post




Junkie
Post Score
Adjustment:
n/a

Rate this post:

they have already given up land and it obvioulsy hasnt worked yet. I srael will not resume peace talks until arafat denounces terrorism and takes action against them...with your logic america should give back texas...as well as the louisiana purchase.


-------
my name is madbilly....what did you expect me to be happy when my name says Mad in it...
 


Posts: 451 | Posted: 10:25 AM on November 6, 2002 | IP
dsadevil

|       |       Report Post




Junkie
Post Score
Adjustment:
n/a

Rate this post:

true mad billy (god that hurts to say)

Alex, the problem with your analysis is twofold. First, Israel giving back land has no guarentee of peace. When they signed the Oslo accords, violence immediatly spiked. The intifada started directly after Israel offered virtually all of the West Bank and Gaza strip (96% to be exact). And as Washington Post columnist Charles Krauthammer pointed out, land for peace is inherently flawed, b/c land is concrete, permenant, and rather difficult to take away even if treaty obligations are not upheld, while peace is abstract, fragile, and impermenant b/c if palestine became a state it would get all powers granted to states, including the power to declare war.
Second, Israel needs the land. In a region where it is surrounded by hostile enemies who have attacked it 5 times in 50 years, a state the size of vancouver (much less one half that size) has enough trouble surviving. Take away that  half, and I guarentee the mid-east will jump on israel like a hyena on a dying gazelle. The arab nations will never give Israel the moral high ground regardless of what it does. They hate it too much.


-------
"If stupidity got us into this mess, why can't it get us out?" -Will Rodgers<br><br><br>"Neither man nor nation can prosper unless in looking at the present, thought is steadily taken for the future." -T. Roosevelt<br><br>"Might I remind you that extremism in the pursuit of liberty is no vice, and moderation in the pursuit of justice, is no virtue." -Barry Goldwater<br><br>

Respect through Excellence only
 


Posts: 789 | Posted: 6:10 PM on November 6, 2002 | IP
madbilly

|      |       Report Post




Junkie
Post Score
Adjustment:
n/a

Rate this post:

lol...why does it hurt to say that...and why do people think im christian...i am messianic jewish...for christ sake but i was raised southern baptist...i could agree with you more dsa but it would be boring not to have a right wing extremeist wouldnt it


-------
my name is madbilly....what did you expect me to be happy when my name says Mad in it...
 


Posts: 451 | Posted: 12:12 PM on November 7, 2002 | IP
dsadevil

|       |       Report Post




Junkie
Post Score
Adjustment:
n/a

Rate this post:

i hate messianic jews. i loath them with every fiber of my being. its such a contradiction in terms. And these "jews" use it it solely to be preditory.


-------
"If stupidity got us into this mess, why can't it get us out?" -Will Rodgers<br><br><br>"Neither man nor nation can prosper unless in looking at the present, thought is steadily taken for the future." -T. Roosevelt<br><br>"Might I remind you that extremism in the pursuit of liberty is no vice, and moderation in the pursuit of justice, is no virtue." -Barry Goldwater<br><br>

Respect through Excellence only
 


Posts: 789 | Posted: 4:10 PM on November 7, 2002 | IP
madbilly

|      |       Report Post




Junkie
Post Score
Adjustment:
n/a

Rate this post:

so you say.but its quite alright by me. The peolple of israel dont seem to mind nor do most rabbis....we follow the same laws as you keeping the proper sabbath and such and we see that the old testament was not thrown out as the christians do, so i dont see why you loathe them the only difference is that they believe in the messiah and that is the only difference, we understand that he didnt change the rules as the christians beleive....


-------
my name is madbilly....what did you expect me to be happy when my name says Mad in it...
 


Posts: 451 | Posted: 02:10 AM on November 8, 2002 | IP
thistownwilleatu

|       |       Report Post



Junkie
Post Score
Adjustment:
n/a

Rate this post:

So you don't believe in the new testament?  because it's all about change.


-------
"The greatest evil is not done in those sordid dens of evil that Dickens loved to paint ... but is conceived and ordered (moved, seconded, carried and minuted) in clear, carpeted, warmed, well-lighted offices, by quiet men with white collars and cut fingernails and smooth-shaven cheeks who do not need to raise their voices." - Thomas Merton

"I thank my God for every remembrance of you." - Paul
 


Posts: 341 | Posted: 02:13 AM on November 8, 2002 | IP
madbilly

|      |       Report Post




Junkie
Post Score
Adjustment:
n/a

Rate this post:

who said that..how is it about change?


-------
my name is madbilly....what did you expect me to be happy when my name says Mad in it...
 


Posts: 451 | Posted: 02:41 AM on November 8, 2002 | IP
thistownwilleatu

|       |       Report Post



Junkie
Post Score
Adjustment:
n/a

Rate this post:

The bible says that.  The biggest and most important change contact with God.  Instead of rams, doves, etc., Jesus himself is the sacrifice.  He is the direct medium between us and God.  How on earth can you not say that the new testament is not about change.  Jesus nullifies many, if not most of the old Jewish laws.  He embodies the element of humbleness and compassion that wasn't very clear in the old testament.  He completely changes the way that people view christianity.  Unlike the old Jewish ways, (I'm sorry dsa, i really mean you no offense) he sets a standard that didn't exist, that christianity isnt about rules and regulations, right and wrong, black and white, it's about love and compassion.  Christianity isn't about being a slave to laws made by men, it's about freedom.  And I'm sorry if you can see no change in that something is wrong.    


-------
"The greatest evil is not done in those sordid dens of evil that Dickens loved to paint ... but is conceived and ordered (moved, seconded, carried and minuted) in clear, carpeted, warmed, well-lighted offices, by quiet men with white collars and cut fingernails and smooth-shaven cheeks who do not need to raise their voices." - Thomas Merton

"I thank my God for every remembrance of you." - Paul
 


Posts: 341 | Posted: 03:22 AM on November 8, 2002 | IP
madbilly

|      |       Report Post




Junkie
Post Score
Adjustment:
n/a

Rate this post:

i said its not all about change. Why do you feel that the old testament wasnt about compassion read the book of ruth. it is all about compassion. The only real change is about the sacrificing of animals, and being that i believe in the messiah doesnt that mean that i understand that that changed...didnt the messiah say something (i dont know where off the top of my head at the moment) to the effect of "i didnt come to change the laws i came to abide by them" you might want to look it up or ask sakata...she would know what verse im talking about.


-------
my name is madbilly....what did you expect me to be happy when my name says Mad in it...
 


Posts: 451 | Posted: 12:52 PM on November 8, 2002 | IP
dsadevil

|       |       Report Post




Junkie
Post Score
Adjustment:
n/a

Rate this post:

trust me. 95% of all jews (and i dont include "messianic jews" in that catagory) harbor an intense dislike for messianic jews. Groups like "jews for jesus" are predatory. There is no other way to describe them.

On another issue, thistown raises an interesting point, b/c the tanach (old testament) does have many problems that were redressed by the new test.. The interesting thing is how both groups (jews and christians) chose to change the "bad" parts of the tanach (b/c u dont see many jews sacrificing rams anymore either). Christians rewrote it, in otherwords making the justification for change religious. The jews just decided "Hey this isnt right" and stopped. This goes far in showing why even religious jews are generally far more progressive and tolerant than religious christians.


-------
"If stupidity got us into this mess, why can't it get us out?" -Will Rodgers<br><br><br>"Neither man nor nation can prosper unless in looking at the present, thought is steadily taken for the future." -T. Roosevelt<br><br>"Might I remind you that extremism in the pursuit of liberty is no vice, and moderation in the pursuit of justice, is no virtue." -Barry Goldwater<br><br>

Respect through Excellence only
 


Posts: 789 | Posted: 2:52 PM on November 8, 2002 | IP
madbilly

|      |       Report Post




Junkie
Post Score
Adjustment:
n/a

Rate this post:

jews for jesus is totally not what im like so i would ask that you please dont compare me to them. Remember the nazarenes, they where messianic jews and lived and worshipped like the "regular" jews. so what is really the major difference other than the messiah


-------
my name is madbilly....what did you expect me to be happy when my name says Mad in it...
 


Posts: 451 | Posted: 3:12 PM on November 8, 2002 | IP
thistownwilleatu

|       |       Report Post



Junkie
Post Score
Adjustment:
n/a

Rate this post:

No it had nothing to do with laws.  He said "I came not to refute the prophecies, but to fulfill them."  He said this because people took the prophecies literally and expected a warlike king in golden mail to come and annihilate the roman scourge.  He was explaining what was meant by the prophets.  Had nothing to do with laws.  Read the sermon on the mount and count how many old testament laws he changes or casts out, and these are specific.  



-------
"The greatest evil is not done in those sordid dens of evil that Dickens loved to paint ... but is conceived and ordered (moved, seconded, carried and minuted) in clear, carpeted, warmed, well-lighted offices, by quiet men with white collars and cut fingernails and smooth-shaven cheeks who do not need to raise their voices." - Thomas Merton

"I thank my God for every remembrance of you." - Paul
 


Posts: 341 | Posted: 5:09 PM on November 8, 2002 | IP
dsadevil

|       |       Report Post




Junkie
Post Score
Adjustment:
n/a

Rate this post:

ok, fine, let me rephrase. I despise "jews for jesus" who, to the best of my knowledge, are messianic jews. But I don't consider messianic jews to be jews. Jews don't believe that God had a son or any relations. The belief in jesus as messiah is against the core tenets of the faith.


-------
"If stupidity got us into this mess, why can't it get us out?" -Will Rodgers<br><br><br>"Neither man nor nation can prosper unless in looking at the present, thought is steadily taken for the future." -T. Roosevelt<br><br>"Might I remind you that extremism in the pursuit of liberty is no vice, and moderation in the pursuit of justice, is no virtue." -Barry Goldwater<br><br>

Respect through Excellence only
 


Posts: 789 | Posted: 5:18 PM on November 8, 2002 | IP
madbilly

|      |       Report Post




Junkie
Post Score
Adjustment:
n/a

Rate this post:

okay we can take the jew debate up in a religion forum but i really dont think we should sway from the topic of peace in the middle east towards this bc i feel that the topic of this forum is very important...sorry not to sound like im backing out but i think one is currently more important than the other.


-------
my name is madbilly....what did you expect me to be happy when my name says Mad in it...
 


Posts: 451 | Posted: 7:32 PM on November 9, 2002 | IP
dsadevil

|       |       Report Post




Junkie
Post Score
Adjustment:
n/a

Rate this post:

agreed (my the places these tangents take us)


-------
"If stupidity got us into this mess, why can't it get us out?" -Will Rodgers<br><br><br>"Neither man nor nation can prosper unless in looking at the present, thought is steadily taken for the future." -T. Roosevelt<br><br>"Might I remind you that extremism in the pursuit of liberty is no vice, and moderation in the pursuit of justice, is no virtue." -Barry Goldwater<br><br>

Respect through Excellence only
 


Posts: 789 | Posted: 10:53 PM on November 9, 2002 | IP
Guest

|     |       Report Post



Newbie
Post Score
Adjustment:
n/a

Rate this post:

GO TO WAR
 


Posts: 0 | Posted: 09:11 AM on November 15, 2002 | IP
Guest

|     |       Report Post



Newbie
Post Score
Adjustment:
n/a

Rate this post:

[b][i][u][color=lime]GO TO WAR KILL Sadaam AND CRAPPY DIPER HEAD OSAMA
 


Posts: 0 | Posted: 09:13 AM on November 15, 2002 | IP
madbilly

|      |       Report Post




Junkie
Post Score
Adjustment:
n/a

Rate this post:

also add to that list yasser arafat and other palestinian leaders and you got yourself a deal.


-------
my name is madbilly....what did you expect me to be happy when my name says Mad in it...
 


Posts: 451 | Posted: 5:39 PM on November 15, 2002 | IP
madbilly

|      |       Report Post




Junkie
Post Score
Adjustment:
n/a

Rate this post:

have yall heard about the Kuwait citizens killing and beating americans...wow what great people..we saved their asses from Iraq and now they are attaking us...time to take out kuwait..(please bush answer my prayers and bomb them too,) these peole obviously havnt heard the saying "dont bite the dick that feeds you" what is the problem with these middle eastern states. Also in the past seven days 6 british planes patrolling the iraqi no fly zone have been fired on...is this not iraq attacking a UN delegated peace force...for christ sake we need to obliterate these idiots and set an example to the others that this crap will not and can not be tolerated. We have walked silently, but have yet to show the power of our big stick to these people...and until that happens it will continue to be a problem. Why does the UN and NATO seem to have different opinions on the subject...germany and frances UN relegations have said no to any war but the same countries NATO relegations have said that it is a must, as well as just about every NATO country. The UN is being ran by third world nations which dont know diddle squat about anything...we need to strike and end the sadastical reign of saddam hussein...in the last election of Iraq 99.6 percent of all Iraqi citizens voted for Saddam...so they all agree with his policeis...if you ask me they just signed a death warrant for themselves...so anyone in iraq (or at least 99.6 percent) are fair game...stop complaining we should end the problem immediatly before nuclear missles are a threat....Israel has every right to its land and these people are jealous of it...not our problem we should never turn our backs on our allies.


-------
my name is madbilly....what did you expect me to be happy when my name says Mad in it...
 


Posts: 451 | Posted: 12:38 AM on November 22, 2002 | IP
tsmith2771

|       |       Report Post




Junkie
Post Score
Adjustment:
n/a

Rate this post:

Firing on a british plane is no different then firing on an american plane.  Go to war.


-------
"I have no interest in making blacks equal to whites, they are of a lesser quality and this I am sure of." -Abraham Lincoln
"You don't win a war by dying for your country, you win a war by making the other person die for theirs." -General George Patton
 


Posts: 372 | Posted: 12:54 AM on November 22, 2002 | IP
madbilly

|      |       Report Post




Junkie
Post Score
Adjustment:
n/a

Rate this post:

thats what iv been saying all along....finally someone not condeming me on my views of war...also they have fired on 5 american planes in the last month...each time we bomb the installation....why does this not make onto the everyday news? you have to get it from some back story that is hard to find some where on yahoo...or assosiated press or routers....why not USA today....if firing on a british plane is the same as firing on an american plane bc we are allies then why dont we go to war against the palestinians for attacking Israel...we should go and take them all out ....run them out of Israel and let them live among the rubble of what Bahgdad is to become...in my dreams and in a well run world this would happen


-------
my name is madbilly....what did you expect me to be happy when my name says Mad in it...
 


Posts: 451 | Posted: 12:59 AM on November 22, 2002 | IP
madbilly

|      |       Report Post




Junkie
Post Score
Adjustment:
n/a

Rate this post:

just another thought...the reason france doesnt want to sign a war resolution with the UN against Iraq is bc the French honestly havnt won a battle (not one single battle...not in ww1 AND ESPICIALLY NOT IN WW2 EITHER...THEY ALSO LOST VIETNAM BEFORE HANDING IT OVER TO US AS A PROBLEM) since they lost waterloo....this was the battle that turned France into a country that can not ever and will not ever win a battle...napoleon was there only and last hope...poor pathetic bastards...we need to go on a rampage and kill these iraqi bastards...


-------
my name is madbilly....what did you expect me to be happy when my name says Mad in it...
 


Posts: 451 | Posted: 01:03 AM on November 22, 2002 | IP
    
Multiple pages for this topic [ 1 2 3 4 5 ]

Topic Jump
« Back
Multiple pages for this topic [ 1 2 3 4 5 ]
Forum moderated by: admin
    

Topic options: Lock topic | Unlock topic | Make Topic Sticky | Remove Sticky | Delete thread | Move thread | Merge thread

 

© YouDebate.com
Powered by: ScareCrow version 2.12
© 2001 Jonathan Bravata. All rights reserved.