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Abortion is evil , God didn't want it that way.. what do you think??


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Posts: 34 | Posted: 12:50 PM on November 11, 2002 | IP
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i already posted this in the abortion section...but what the heck...i think abortion is ok. if i got pregnant (even if i was raped) i would have the baby, but i think people should be able to choose.
 


Posts: 60 | Posted: 1:00 PM on November 11, 2002 | IP
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locagirl, you said that people should have the right to choose.

Do I have the right to choose to kill someone? Why don't I kill my little brother, he can be annoying sometimes, and if I do it right he won't feel any pain at all. Why is this wrong, and abortion not? Both my little brother and the baby have their whole lives ahead of them. That baby will have a life ahead of him. He is not just a group of cells. He will have a life ahead of him. Who are you to be able to take this away!?!?

My hope is that over the next few years Bush will be able to change laws pertaining to abortion.


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Posts: 101 | Posted: 10:29 AM on November 12, 2002 | IP
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bush is against abortion he just hasnt out right attacked it yet bc he needs to muster support from everyone and doing do might turn people against him, but if he continues to have a high approval rating them maybe he will gather enough support that he can make abortion illegal and not lose enough votes to really matter...im keeping my fingers crossed. I love George "dubya" Bush. He is the greatest president since ....well since a longg time.


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He won't do anything, watch and see if I'm not right.  It's all propaganda, he'd lose to many votes if he actually made a stand for what he supposedly believes, and being the shallow, greedy, not to mention stupid man he is he won't take that chance.

Why do you like Bush?  There is nothing wrong with that, I was just wondering why.  It's not every day that you meet someone who likes him.


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Posts: 341 | Posted: 11:14 AM on November 12, 2002 | IP
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I strongly disagree with you thistown. I believe Bush will try and do something about abortion. Actually, he already has.

And by the way, saying he is stupid is ignorant. If he is so stupid, how did he become president? How did he graduate Yale? How has he handled our nation so well? I could go on, but this is a dumb point anyway.


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Posts: 101 | Posted: 11:45 AM on November 12, 2002 | IP
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Ok, maybe I should have said he has a lack of common sense.  He's smart yes, but that had little to do with his presidency, because that was handed to him by his father....his family has huge political power.

And how has he handled our nation so well?  We're on the verge of oil-motivated war on a dying economy.  I'm not saying that I disagree with the natural up and down flux of the economy, but Bush is so caught up in his precious little war that really has little or no redeeming value to him other than financial, that he's neglected pretty much everything else, and it's suffering because of it.


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Thank you all for saying your piece, and remember, even if it is your body, it's your baby's soul!


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Posts: 34 | Posted: 2:41 PM on November 12, 2002 | IP
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well if you havnt noticed, war helps the american economy..the great depressoin was ended by ww2 and vietnam helped out during a slight recession. Oil prices will drop after the war with iraq, so im happy if gas is cheap.


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The death of our countries and another's people, the destruction of a way of life...it's worth it...as long as madbilly can put a few extra gallons into his Ford.  You are quite possibly the most small-minded person I know.  It's quite apparent you know nothing of war.  I know nothing, but you make me look like an expert.  

Yeah and thank goodness for Vietnam.  50,000 American lives lost, many times that for the Vietnamese.  The destruction of the unity of a country, citizen against citizen, the government killing it's own people out of pride.  Got us out of that recession though right?  The recession that would have worked itself out in the natural flux of our economy.  It doesn't take much to make you happy...a full tank of gas and madbilly could care less about the suffering, death, and deception that comes with war.


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Posts: 341 | Posted: 12:30 AM on November 13, 2002 | IP
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i would add more to thistown's post, but i don't see a need.


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Posts: 134 | Posted: 12:45 AM on November 13, 2002 | IP
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Quote from Cool-Hand-Dave at 12:45 AM on November 13, 2002 :
i would add more to thistown's post, but i don't see a need.

Come on, I want your views too!




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Posts: 34 | Posted: 09:13 AM on November 13, 2002 | IP
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Quote from madbilly at 12:07 AM on November 13, 2002 :
well if you havnt noticed, war helps the american economy..the great depressoin was ended by ww2 and vietnam helped out during a slight recession. Oil prices will drop after the war with iraq, so im happy if gas is cheap.

This ain't a site  for views on Bush this is for the life of a baby! so get smart and prove a point!!




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Posts: 34 | Posted: 12:34 PM on November 13, 2002 | IP
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for your info i hate fords and only drive chevrolets...and im not saying vietnam was good im just saying it will bring us out of the recession, which is a fact. But i believe saddam is a threat and should be taken out, whereas i do did not agree with the vietnam war. Some wars are necessary like ww2 and the war in afghanistan and i believe that saddam hussein is sadistical and has proven once that he will bomb civilians like he did to israel, and he will in vade other countries like he did  to kuwait...he also used biological weapons on his own people...killed thousands of kurds and was at an unprovoked war with iran for 9 years....obviously he is evil and must be stopped before he gets to far. You saying not to go to war with saddam is exactly like saying we should not go to war when hitler invaded poland....we did not go to war when he did but if we would have we could of saved many lives in russia and throuout europe...espicially the lives of jews. We should not appease a threatening force ever, we need to stand for what is right...and the spoils go to the victor so thankfully gas will be cheaper....dont read to much into what i say, you always assume the worst from every statement.


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Quote from madbilly at 2:43 PM on November 13, 2002 :
for your info i hate fords and only drive chevrolets...and im not saying vietnam was good im just saying it will bring us out of the recession, which is a fact. But i believe saddam is a threat and should be taken out, whereas i do did not agree with the vietnam war. Some wars are necessary like ww2 and the war in afghanistan and i believe that saddam hussein is sadistical and has proven once that he will bomb civilians like he did to israel, and he will in vade other countries like he did  to kuwait...he also used biological weapons on his own people...killed thousands of kurds and was at an unprovoked war with iran for 9 years....obviously he is evil and must be stopped before he gets to far. You saying not to go to war with saddam is exactly like saying we should not go to war when hitler invaded poland....we did not go to war when he did but if we would have we could of saved many lives in russia and throuout europe...espicially the lives of jews. We should not appease a threatening force ever, we need to stand for what is right...and the spoils go to the victor so thankfully gas will be cheaper....dont read to much into what i say, you always assume the worst from every statement.

You are ignorant and should be shot in the head!




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how can u possibly say that the Great Depression was ended by WWII??? that is the craziest thing that i have ever heard. the Great Depression was beginning to end 8 years before we entered the war. the only reason why it ended was because FDR adopted socialist policies.


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Who gives someone the power to take away our right to not have a baby?  please remember that condoms work 97% of the time, thus that 3% should have the chance to abort if they do not want to give for adoption or have the baby.


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okay freedom fightere...why am i ignorant....how do you figure....and no ww2 did bring us out of depression bc we where selling metal and other goods to other countries that where preparing for war and (like china and japan) already at war. We sold ammunition to germany as well as metal, fuel, and rubber, way before they actually started the war but while they where building up to mobilize. And our economy was not officially out of the depression until 1940 anyways.


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Posts: 451 | Posted: 11:27 PM on November 18, 2002 | IP
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Yeah we did export a lot during WWII, but the counterbalance is the debt of going to war.  Wars cost billions, you don't make money off of war unless you're not involved, and we were as involved as a country could be.


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our economy began to recover around 1934 because FDR introduced various programs. this was almost a decade before the US even entered WWII. know ur facts


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The blunt truth of it all is that one of the greatest way to improve an economy is from a war.  You ask any economist and they will tell you the same thing.  Wars increase productivity and in turn improve the economy.  Who knows what event started the great depression?


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Posts: 372 | Posted: 02:23 AM on November 20, 2002 | IP
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Also what was one of the greatest improvements of life in american history?  The decade following WWII.  The reason for this was the economy was boming which is due mostly to WWII.


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but japan was already at war with china since 1933 and we where selling them metals, fuel, rubber, and ammunition, as well as china. we where also at that time selling the same supplies to germany. A massive army isnt built overnight, and hitler started building up the whermacht immediatly after he took power...so if you knew anything you would know your facts...we supplied the german war machine it its buildup years, and the same with japans. We also sold to russia bc they thought japan might attack them bc in between ww1 and ww2 was the russo-japanese war. Japan won and russia just avoided anymore conflict, but feared a large invasion as immenent when japan invaded manchuria...so russia built up arms in the east, but neglected the west...neville chamberlain was the british prime minister before winston churchill, he gave a warning in 1931 that germany was going to be hostile in the future and he started building up arms and appeasing the germans bc he knew that britain was not at the moment properly equipped to fight...and all these goods in some manner came in some form from america...be it raw materials or finished goods...europes factories where not all rebuilt after ww1 and they relied heavily on america back in those days...that is why ww2 pulled us out of the depression....an entire military was not built up over night like you assume...it takes years...ww2 started technically when japan invaded manchuria and china....not when germany invaded poland in 1939...which also neglects that mussolini in vaded ethiopia way before germany did anything,,,,so the second world war started way before 1939.


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No one really knows for sure the cause of the great depression...but popular opinion is that the 1920's saw an economic boom due to the birth of Federal Reserve, firms overestimated the effect and invested, hired, and produced like mad crazy, then sometime in the late 20's I think the Fed. Reserve raised interest rates and started a recession.

It was downward spiral from there.. firms cut back their own plans for further purchase of producer goods; firms making producer durables cut back production; out-of-work consumers and those who feared they might soon be out of work cut back purchases of consumer durables, and firms making consumer durables faced falling demand as well.  Downward spiral, blah, blah.

I'm not actually a history buff but I'm in the middle of a class on it.  

I'm not saying that WWII didn't have an impact in all of this, I'm saying that the War did more in terms of unifying US citizens than by any economic means.  I think the New Deal would have eventually pulled us out had WWII never occurred.


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There is one event that started the great panic, that turned into the great depression.  You said you think the new deal would have eventually pulled us out.  Well what did happen to pull us fully out of the hole, a war did.  I know its messed up to think about but wars do make money for the economy.


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Well...what is that one event??  I'm interested to hear it.


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The bankruptcy closing of the Knickerbocker Bank and Trust company in New York sent people all over the place running to their own banks demand all of their money out.  Well of course banks don't keep all that on hand so like a domino effect banks started closing left and right, thus the beginning of the great depression.


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What brought about the bankruptcy?


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Bad business deals.


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Kinda vague...Don't you think the bankrupcty was a product of what I talked about?  Someone else help us out, cause I really am not a history buff.


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There was a run on the banks, and the banks simply closed their doors. The great deppresion started because the federal reserve would not lend any banks money when they needed it. It obviously was a huge mistake.

Nearly the same thing happened in the 80's, but Alan Greenspan announced that the federal reserve would lend banks all the money that was needed. Problem solved.


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FDR was the best president that the US has ever had. period. (even though he did go to war)


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If you want to talk about wars and bush than start your own thread but I neede opinions on abortion not on what kinda vehicle you like and who you favorite pres. is!!!
 


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Vehicle and president?  Kind of a wierd combo isn't it?


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if you want to talk about abortion there is a thread for that...here we can talk about whatever



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there's already a million abortion debate rooms. i agree, lets make this a free chat room.


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