PRO

Where Your Ideas can change Minds

Please visit our new forum at

http://www.4forums.com

CON


YouDebate.com Forum
» back to YouDebate.com
Register | Profile | Log In | Lost Password | Active Users | Help | Board Rules | Search | FAQ |
Custom Search
» You are not logged in.   log in | register

  YouDebate.com Forum
   Open Forum
     To all conservative youth....
       New website

Topic Jump
« Back | Next »
[ Single page for this topic ]
Forum moderated by: admin
    

    
kc2gwx

|       |       Report Post



Member
Post Score
Adjustment:
n/a

Rate this post:

www.torchx.com

This link is to a site for, and by, conservative youth. On the whole internet, I could only find a handful of these sites, and none of those had much content at all. That is why a couple of young guys started making this new site. But they need more people, guys and girls, to help in any way possible. If you think you can help in any way, please send an email to:

bjford@yahoo.com

Thanks!


-------
Sam, KC2GWX
 


Posts: 101 | Posted: 10:55 AM on November 12, 2002 | IP
dsadevil

|       |       Report Post




Junkie
Post Score
Adjustment:
n/a

Rate this post:

I read up on the torchx definition on conservative. It asks 4 questions, and says if u answered yes to at least two, you are most likely a conservative. The problem? The questions were 3/4 social, 1/4 foreign policy and 0/4 economic (thus not representing a broad enough spectrum of issues) and the one foreign issue can't even be called a "conservative" one. There is no overwhelming trend of conservatives to be interventionists. In fact, they derided Clinton for being an interventionist in Bosnia, and Bush ran partially on not being the world's "policeman." This is not to say that Republicans are isolationists either, it is just saying that there isn't an overwhelming interventionist streak in the republican party. There are plenty of interventionists and isolationists in both parties.
My questionnare on whether you are a conservative would be (i'm trying to make it unbiased)
1) On social issues, should the government should enforce "traditional family values" (on issues suchas abortion, homosexuality, school prayer etc)?
2) Is cutting taxes on higher income brackets a more effective way of stimulating the economy than programs to aid the poor (trickle down vs. foundations economics)?
3) Do you believe in free trade?
4) Does the  US have the right to ignore international public opinion to pursue its international agenda? (unilateralism vs multilateralism)
5) Do terrorists not have (not deserve, have) constitutional rights that need to be respected?
6) Is the "wall of seperation" between church and state too high?
7) Does the government have the right to limit "obscene" books/movies/expression?
8) Should the minimum wage be abolished?

Answering yes on all 8 makes u ultra-conservative, 5-7 a conservative 3-4 a moderate conservative 2 a moderate liberal and 0-1 a liberal.
Full disclosure: I answer yes on 1/8 (I believe in free trade)

Test yourself! good luck!


-------
"If stupidity got us into this mess, why can't it get us out?" -Will Rodgers<br><br><br>"Neither man nor nation can prosper unless in looking at the present, thought is steadily taken for the future." -T. Roosevelt<br><br>"Might I remind you that extremism in the pursuit of liberty is no vice, and moderation in the pursuit of justice, is no virtue." -Barry Goldwater<br><br>

Respect through Excellence only
 


Posts: 789 | Posted: 11:04 PM on November 12, 2002 | IP
kc2gwx

|       |       Report Post



Member
Post Score
Adjustment:
n/a

Rate this post:

I scored 7. And I always said I was ultra-conservative. So close...

I'm against free trade.

Yes, I am kidding. Free trade is part of what makes our country great. Without it...well, I'd rather not think about that.


-------
Sam, KC2GWX
 


Posts: 101 | Posted: 09:54 AM on November 13, 2002 | IP
dsadevil

|       |       Report Post




Junkie
Post Score
Adjustment:
n/a

Rate this post:

now we need to start a forum so i can yell at you about how dumb you are for answering all those questions yes. What was your one non-conservative, if free trade wasn't it?


-------
"If stupidity got us into this mess, why can't it get us out?" -Will Rodgers<br><br><br>"Neither man nor nation can prosper unless in looking at the present, thought is steadily taken for the future." -T. Roosevelt<br><br>"Might I remind you that extremism in the pursuit of liberty is no vice, and moderation in the pursuit of justice, is no virtue." -Barry Goldwater<br><br>

Respect through Excellence only
 


Posts: 789 | Posted: 6:07 PM on November 13, 2002 | IP
Gs_Deus

|        |       Report Post




Member
Post Score
Adjustment:
n/a

Rate this post:

Those four questions I asked are the main points of conservatism- Traditional Family, No Abortion, Anti-Isonationalist. I should change the homosexual one, because that goes with Traditional family lifestyles. I'll add one more- probably something about religion. Free-trade? No. I'm very conservative and believe in free-trade. It's not an issue for conservatives- it's evened out. Liberaterians believe in Free-trade, but liberals and conservatives are pretty even.

"enforcing traditional values" is not really good, because conservatives don't believe in a very weak government (like liberaterians, they want localized government)- however, they are against killing any human life, which we believe is abortion, and believe that if people want to have school prayer, they should- it should only depend on what the school wants.
Taxes? Pssht. Liberaterian idea again. Liberaterians want no tax. Again, libs and cons have split views.  Terrorists is good, and that goes with anti-isolationism. Getting rid of minumum wage is liberaterian, ridding books/media is liberaterian again.

Remember

                   Liberaterian
Liberal            Moderate            Conservative
                  Authoriterian


-------
TorchX.com- conservative youth site.
 


Posts: 49 | Posted: 6:40 PM on November 13, 2002 | IP
dsadevil

|       |       Report Post




Junkie
Post Score
Adjustment:
n/a

Rate this post:

Actually I consider free trade to be a conservative issue. Its my "1" in "1/8."  But Interventionism? Hardly. Unilateralism would be more like it. And can you name a real conservative who wants to raise taxes and doesnt want the govt to enforce traditional values (such as allowing school prayer)? I doubt it. Ridding books is the reverse of libertarianism, but once again it falls in the domain of the average conservative (and psycho femninazi liberal for good measure). These are conservative issues! Conservatives aren't all about social issues, there is an economic aspect as well.


-------
"If stupidity got us into this mess, why can't it get us out?" -Will Rodgers<br><br><br>"Neither man nor nation can prosper unless in looking at the present, thought is steadily taken for the future." -T. Roosevelt<br><br>"Might I remind you that extremism in the pursuit of liberty is no vice, and moderation in the pursuit of justice, is no virtue." -Barry Goldwater<br><br>

Respect through Excellence only
 


Posts: 789 | Posted: 9:56 PM on November 13, 2002 | IP
kc2gwx

|       |       Report Post



Member
Post Score
Adjustment:
n/a

Rate this post:

I was joking about my post. I thought my smiley face and sarcasm would be obvious, but...oh well...


-------
Sam, KC2GWX
 


Posts: 101 | Posted: 10:49 PM on November 13, 2002 | IP
dsadevil

|       |       Report Post




Junkie
Post Score
Adjustment:
n/a

Rate this post:

I thought you were expressing glee...


-------
"If stupidity got us into this mess, why can't it get us out?" -Will Rodgers<br><br><br>"Neither man nor nation can prosper unless in looking at the present, thought is steadily taken for the future." -T. Roosevelt<br><br>"Might I remind you that extremism in the pursuit of liberty is no vice, and moderation in the pursuit of justice, is no virtue." -Barry Goldwater<br><br>

Respect through Excellence only
 


Posts: 789 | Posted: 5:54 PM on November 14, 2002 | IP
Guest

|     |       Report Post



Newbie
Post Score
Adjustment:
n/a

Rate this post:

Don't believe I would want to be part of a site ran by Gs.  If he didn't agree with you he would just call you stupid then delete your posts.  As we have seen on other threads he is not very mature; and either doesn't want to defend his positions or is not capable of defending them because they are obviously wrong.  My advice would be to stay away from this site.
 


Posts: 0 | Posted: 05:42 AM on November 20, 2002 | IP
beavischrist

|       |       Report Post




Regular
Post Score
Adjustment:
n/a

Rate this post:

Woo. 0 of 8.
 


Posts: 193 | Posted: 3:55 PM on November 22, 2002 | IP
Guest

|     |       Report Post



Newbie
Post Score
Adjustment:
n/a

Rate this post:

I visited this site.  It was really boring, nothing going on at all.  Seems to have only 5 or 6 people posting.  Brendon's main concern seems to be to attract girls to the site.  Looks like is purpose is to find a girl friend.  Pretty pathetic!
 


Posts: 0 | Posted: 06:07 AM on November 30, 2002 | IP
Gs_Deus

|        |       Report Post




Member
Post Score
Adjustment:
n/a

Rate this post:

Apparently Guest, you do not know me; I can thus only assume that you are being judgmental, as you are not looking into facts. As I’ve said before, the website is still under major construction, and I would like people like you to tell me what you think of the idea itself. Well, now I have abandoned the idea; people do not understand what the word “Conservatism” means. In it’s place I plan to use a more broad issue; Abortion. I shall make a pro-life site for youth, as I have gotten many recommendations to do so. I do not “run away” from posts, I simply stop posting when I get angry out of one’s stupidity. If I have embarrassed you and you are now angry at me and thus posting these rumors around, then I am sorry for embarrassing you and only hope that you will discontinue your lies. It’s very gelastic that you say I am immature for not responding; I believe I am very mature for doing so. If at a point I know I am wrong, I will simply admit it and move on to a different discussion. I will never debate something I do not know about. Yes, I admit, I am very weak, but does this mean anything? Simply because I leave debates means that I am immature? Do you truly know why I left the debates? For all you know, my mother could have died, or I could have had finals. Though I have not been here since October (because of midterms, and then I simply forgot about this paradise), there could have been many reasons for my disappearance. I will restate them now in a clear manner (they are a mixture of many different ones). A) I did not want to continue a debate with close-minded puerile posters. I don’t think it’s worth debating with people as such, because they will never be changed. B) I had midterms. Yes, I go to school, and Midterms (October midterms, not finals midterms as we have just completed) are very difficult for me and millions of other Americans. However, I am finished now, so I can continue my posts. C) With the dawn of Christmas coming, and applying for my job permit, and all the miscellaneous events happening, I simply have forgotten about these forums and did not return. I visit other forums, currently I am most active in a forum about a computer game called Age of Empires, a forum which has both gaming and debating discussions. I hope you understand that my intentions are well, and I do not mean by any means to be immature.

(Edited by Gs_Deus 12/20/2002 at 8:13 PM).


-------
TorchX.com- conservative youth site.
 


Posts: 49 | Posted: 8:12 PM on December 20, 2002 | IP
Guest

|     |       Report Post



Newbie
Post Score
Adjustment:
n/a

Rate this post:

"If I have embarrassed you....then I am sorry for embarrassing you..."

No, you have not embarrassed anyone but yourself.  Your total lack of maturity and not  having even the slightest ability to defend your ideas should be embarrassing for you.  Even while you are trying to apologize you still can not help but call anyone who does not agree with you stupid.

"people do not understand what the word 'conservatism' means"

"I get angry out of one's stupidity...."

"I do not want to continue a debate with close minded puerile posters..."

You certainly have a right to have your little web site and do anything you want on it.  Just as I have the right to say I would not want to be part of a web site run by you for the reasons stated.  I also have the right to say people should stay away unless they like to be told they are stupid by you.  As we see, that is you main defense when confronted on an issue by people who do not agree with you.

Don't come here and try to "recruit" people to your web site and expect not to be challanged by people who think it is not a good web site.





 


Posts: 0 | Posted: 08:16 AM on December 22, 2002 | IP
Gs_Deus

|        |       Report Post




Member
Post Score
Adjustment:
n/a

Rate this post:


No, you have not embarrassed anyone but yourself.  Your total lack of maturity and not  having even the slightest ability to defend your ideas should be embarrassing for you.  Even while you are trying to apologize you still can not help but call anyone who does not agree with you stupid.


I am by no means embarassed! You obviously have some tension, and thus I have done somthing to you that you feel embaressed about. How have I been immature? Please, give me sources!



Don't come here and try to "recruit" people to your web site and expect not to be challanged by people who think it is not a good web site.


To be quite frank, I don't give a crap what you think of my website. Your puerality has only shown that your opinion means nothing. I am glad people are rating my website, but to rate it solely on my behavior is a very immature thing to do. It reminds me of my silly behavior to my brother when I was little. If he did not want to share, I was going to ignore him. Your logic is quite corrupt.


-------
TorchX.com- conservative youth site.
 


Posts: 49 | Posted: 6:36 PM on December 22, 2002 | IP
Guest

|     |       Report Post



Newbie
Post Score
Adjustment:
n/a

Rate this post:

What a terrible web site.  This is the most worthless site I have ever visited.  Don't anyone waste their time in visiting this poorly done site.
 


Posts: 0 | Posted: 03:23 AM on February 5, 2003 | IP
    
[ Single page for this topic ]

Topic Jump
« Back | Next »
[ Single page for this topic ]
Forum moderated by: admin
    

Topic options: Lock topic | Unlock topic | Make Topic Sticky | Remove Sticky | Delete thread | Move thread | Merge thread

 

© YouDebate.com
Powered by: ScareCrow version 2.12
© 2001 Jonathan Bravata. All rights reserved.