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I'm just wondering what the big FUSS is about forcing people to wear a seatbelt!

I agree that children, under 18, should have to buckle up. but not adults.

I think that decade ago, people were ignorant of the dangers of not buckling up.
But now, EVERYONE knows the risks.
Start telling someone about an accident, and the first thing they'll want to know is, "Were they wearing their seatbelt?"

Adults are well aware of the risks and dangers of not using their seatbelt, and it should, in my opinion, be a PERSONAL CHOICE!

Debate: Should we do away with the seatbelt laws?


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Posts: 110 | Posted: 12:46 AM on December 9, 2002 | IP
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as rush limbagh said, "I have the right to be stupid"


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Posts: 270 | Posted: 12:20 PM on December 9, 2002 | IP
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Honestly, I don't think it really matters, but here's some thoughts on the matter:

Seatbelts make people safer, and I've never heard of much of a reason not to wear one other then not being in the habit of doing so.

But is it the governments business if we do soemthing that might hurt ourselves? They agree that people over 18 should have fair judgement.

But then again, maybe they think that anyone over 18 who does have judegement, would wear a seatbelt, and anyone else, obviously is stupid enough to need to be forced.

But, the government supposed to represent what the people want, and anyone who wants seatbelts has the right to wear one, so should anyone who doesn't, get the right to not wear one? a copromise?

Also, giving someone a fine becuase they could have simply forgotten? that seems unreasonable.

Maybe it should be a law, but not inforced?

Or maybe our country should really make a sub-set of laws that is sort of like "we really think you shouldn't do this, but we don't care enough to make it manditory and inforce it"?
 


Posts: 122 | Posted: 5:27 PM on December 9, 2002 | IP
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Maynard, exactly!  We do have the right to be stupid.

I guess I should have mentioned in the beginning that I DO wear my seatbelt, and I think that everyone should wear one...But I don't think people should be forced to.

The thing that ticks me off the most about it, though, is that the government is making such a BIG DEAL out of it!

And usually when Uncle Sam is THAT involved in something, it somehow ties to money.

Do you know that seatbelt laws are state laws?  Not federal.
However, the federal government (and I don't know the exact date on this, back in the late 80's I think) denied to give the states their funding if they did not create a seatbelt law.

I think maybe its just Uncle Sam's way of letting the states know "Who's your daddy?"
Basically, holding the money over our heads just out of reach, teasing us, saying, "Okay if you want it, you'll have to do as I say."
And, out of our (actually the state's) love of money, we compromise.


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Posts: 110 | Posted: 6:50 PM on December 9, 2002 | IP
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Of course the states did it for the money, why wouldn't they? They were pushed into it. The government forced the states into something they couldn't or didn't want to do themselves.
 


Posts: 122 | Posted: 8:15 PM on December 9, 2002 | IP
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i were my seatbelt all the time, especailly since i got a 52 dollar seatbelt ticket bout 2 years ago


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Posts: 270 | Posted: 10:21 PM on December 9, 2002 | IP
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i think that anyone that doesnt wear a seatbelt is just plain stupid. they keep you safe. But yes I agree with most everyone else that we should do away with the seat belt law. Why should you get a ticket for not wearing your seatbelt it is your own choice? Its none of their buisness and it is yourself you are putting in danger not anybody else.


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Yes, it should be a pesonal choice. I do, but if someone wants to be stupid, let 'em I say.


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Posts: 134 | Posted: 12:44 AM on January 3, 2003 | IP
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i think the seatbelt law reflects influence from

insurance orgs. less payout!


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Posts: 2 | Posted: 8:37 PM on November 9, 2004 | IP
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One of the reasons laws are in place are to protect people. Penalties for not wearing seatbelts  should definetally be enforced because the government is protecting you. Yes, it's 'your choice'. However, people get fined for DWI too, and that is also 'their choice'. Laws are in place for a reason and Penalties for not abiding are there because the fact is, people need to be TAUGHT how to make the right decissions.


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Posts: 4 | Posted: 6:27 PM on November 27, 2004 | IP
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Actualy there are, yet very few instances where seat belts actualy corse injury. For example my uncle, had a minor bump (he was parke and someone knocked into him (don't know the full storry)) but actualy because he was wearing a seat belt he now have perminant back injury. However you are more likly get hurt without one than with one.
Also the hole arguement of its your choice, you have the rite to be stupid, if you get that kind of idea then why not legalise drugs?
So yes seat belts should be compulsary...
P.s. if your in a back seat you can kill the person sat infront of you if your not wearing a seat belt.  


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Posts: 301 | Posted: 4:21 PM on January 4, 2005 | IP
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People who willingly do not wear seatbelts, regardless of motive, will be less likely to survive, and therefore not produce offspring, and will consequently not pass on their "I do not wish to wear a seatbelt" gene..

Lol, if only it worked that way ...
 


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Just like the Darwin Awards, remove the stupidity from the gene pool


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Posts: 301 | Posted: 12:57 PM on May 11, 2005 | IP
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Basically, it comes down to this:

If you choose not to wear a seatbelt, you're more likely to die than if you do wear one.



 


Posts: 292 | Posted: 02:47 AM on May 12, 2005 | IP
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What's worse though, a ticket or losing your life or that of a loved one.


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Posts: 121 | Posted: 6:38 PM on May 24, 2005 | IP
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God save us all from the meddling,control freak nannys and busy bodies that think we should be "taught" the right way,get out of my life and leave me alone,i do not want your concern or care because with it comes control and tyranny,i prefer risk and freedom.I do not spend so much as a single second thinking of ways to protect you from yourself as long as you are not harming others,please return the favor and leave me the hell alone.
 


Posts: 22 | Posted: 7:06 PM on May 25, 2005 | IP
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So you are a country that tries it's best to protect you laws are meant to protect the people not control them. If you are going to bitch about a measly insignifigant aspect of life that could save your life multiple times... undeserving cretin.


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Posts: 121 | Posted: 9:36 PM on May 25, 2005 | IP
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Don't worry Lord Iorek-- those who do not understand the psychology behind seatbelts, or simply those who refuse to wear them, will die, and therefore be less likely to produce offspring, and therefore will not pass on their morals. Or "stupid gene." Lol ;)...I love natural selection...

(Edited by Box of Fox 5/25/2005 at 10:16 PM).
 


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Box, my point exactly.... check out the "Darwin Awards" they are awards for the stupidest death or castration, remove that stupidity from the gene pool.

Everyone says that seat belt laws only protect the person, this is NOT true.

1. Sitting infront of a passenger not in a seat belt can lead to that passenger flying into the back of you, breaking your neck and killing you.

2. You can be thrown out of your car, blocking up the road, or into another car causing them to crash.

3. You are more likly to suffer serious injury wearing a seatbelt, thus more money in medical treatment (not as relative in you countries without national health care).

Its like saying drugs arn't hurting anyone but myself, but it is short sighted. So belt up, not just for your self but for others as well.


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Posts: 301 | Posted: 3:38 PM on May 26, 2005 | IP
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I say all of the fat pizza,donut chip burger and beer sucking  slobs out there who are always going to the doctor for heart problems and costing our medical system should under penalty of law loose weight.

I say that all smoking should be banned
I say all drinking should be banned
I say all cell phones should be banned in cars.
I say that all foods that are unhealthy by the highest nutritional standards should be banned
I think that all people who are fat,smoke and drink are darwin like morons who the world would be better off without

how do like my list of busy body laws,it is my business if i wear a seat belt or not and care not a damn whether anyone likes it or not.There is no absolute proof that seat belts will prevent death in accidents ALL cases,when absolute proof exist in ALL cases i might think about it.
 


Posts: 22 | Posted: 6:26 PM on May 26, 2005 | IP
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What makes a seatbelt special is that it saves you (and in some cases, those around you) from dangerous or otherwise unsafe instances.

While you may feel that it is just another "busy-body, motherly" rule, you make no effort in weighing the consequences of not wearing one. Just deal with it, kid-- its better to wear one then not to, just because your 12 years old and don't understand that you could, and I mean could die...
 


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Quote from Box of Fox at 7:49 PM on May 26, 2005 :
What makes a seatbelt special is that it saves you (and in some cases, those around you) from dangerous or otherwise unsafe instances.

While you may feel that it is just another "busy-body, motherly" rule, you make no effort in weighing the consequences of not wearing one. Just deal with it, kid-- its better to wear one then not to, just because your 12 years old and don't understand that you could, and I mean could die...



I don't wear one...kid! and have never received a ticket for not wearing one,people like you pose the greatest threat to all kinds of freedoms in this country.The idiocy and imbecility of your false assumptions about me lead me to beleive that you are the one with stunted maturity,probably about 6 or 7, mind your own business and stay out of my life.

 


Posts: 22 | Posted: 9:24 PM on May 26, 2005 | IP
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Oh for crying out loud! Would you get a grip? If you won't protect yourself for YOURSELF then how about for those who love you (there must be at least one...)? You are not, and will never be, free to do everything you want - especially activities that endanger you and/or those around you.
 


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Quote from Fender at 9:24 PM on May 26, 2005 :
Quote from Box of Fox at 7:49 PM on May 26, 2005 :
What makes a seatbelt special is that it saves you (and in some cases, those around you) from dangerous or otherwise unsafe instances.

While you may feel that it is just another "busy-body, motherly" rule, you make no effort in weighing the consequences of not wearing one. Just deal with it, kid-- its better to wear one then not to, just because your 12 years old and don't understand that you could, and I mean could die...



I don't wear one...kid! and have never received a ticket for not wearing one,people like you pose the greatest threat to all kinds of freedoms in this country.The idiocy and imbecility of your false assumptions about me lead me to beleive that you are the one with stunted maturity,probably about 6 or 7, mind your own business and stay out of my life.



You preach freedom? Foolishness is not freedom! Wearing a seatbelt certainly doesn't invade your personal morals or well-being. You want us to stay out of your life? Then sit down and shut up...
 


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Quote from Box of Fox at 09:21 AM on May 27, 2005 :
Quote from Fender at 9:24 PM on May 26, 2005 :
Quote from Box of Fox at 7:49 PM on May 26, 2005 :
What makes a seatbelt special is that it saves you (and in some cases, those around you) from dangerous or otherwise unsafe instances.

While you may feel that it is just another "busy-body, motherly" rule, you make no effort in weighing the consequences of not wearing one. Just deal with it, kid-- its better to wear one then not to, just because your 12 years old and don't understand that you could, and I mean could die...



I don't wear one...kid! and have never received a ticket for not wearing one,people like you pose the greatest threat to all kinds of freedoms in this country.The idiocy and imbecility of your false assumptions about me lead me to beleive that you are the one with stunted maturity,probably about 6 or 7, mind your own business and stay out of my life.



You preach freedom? Foolishness is not freedom! Wearing a seatbelt certainly doesn't invade your personal morals or well-being. You want us to stay out of your life? Then sit down and shut up...



You do not define freedom or foolishness for me even though you are an excellent example of the latter in thinking you have the right to tell me how to look out for myself, and i will shut up when control freaks like you start  minding your own business,tell ya what why don't you join your local chapter of the upright citizen's brigade of seatbelt monitors,ecellent little citizen that i'm sure you are,and make me wear a seatbelt,my guess is that if they had a seatbelt non compliance  snitch program you jump right in,now salute the flag Barney and shut up!

 


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I'll say it again-- I am not being a control freak, or a "law-abiding, goody-two shoes, controlled tool of society." You act as though I'm attacking you by telling you what to do. I have the right to an opinion, and just because it advises you what to do doesn't mean I want to strap you down with a seatbelt until you choke. I'm sensible-- do you see this as some evil plot to control your life, or make your decisions for you? Common sense helps, not hurts..
 


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Quote from Box of Fox at 9:02 PM on May 27, 2005 :
I'll say it again-- I am not being a control freak, or a "law-abiding, goody-two shoes, controlled tool of society." You act as though I'm attacking you by telling you what to do. I have the right to an opinion, and just because it advises you what to do doesn't mean I want to strap you down with a seatbelt until you choke. I'm sensible-- do you see this as some evil plot to control your life, or make your decisions for you? Common sense helps, not hurts..



What i am saying is that i beleive just as it is none of the goverment's business what kind or quantity of food i eat,whether or not i excercise,whether or not i smoke,whether or not i drink eight eight ounce glasses of water every day and so on, it is none of their business whether or not i wear a seatbelt.I see no difference in being fined for not wearing a seatbelt and being fined for doing any of the things mentioned above,common sense as you call it differs from one to another,one smokes but doesn't drink while another neither smokes or drinks but instead overeats all the time,each one has chosen a behaviour and therfore must accept the consequences.I am willing to accept the consequences for not wearing a seatbelt,what i am not willing to accept is someone else's definition of what is good for me,they can advise and admonish all they like but when the add to it the weight of law all they are doing is forcing their will upon me and making personal decisions for me that are not their's to make.The main method of gaining control over others these days is to insist that everything one does affects another,in the grand scheme of things i suppose this is true,if i am in an accident and killed somebody is going to have to scoop me up in a bag and ruin their lunch just as i have to pay higher and higher insurance premeiums wher i work because of all the blubber butts with heart trouble filing claims all the time.I however do not want to control what or how much those people eat or whether or not they excercise,i respect their freedom even though it cost me,a free society has to accept the liabilities of freedom as well as its assets,freedom without risk does not exist.

 


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you said "ya" how old are you? If you drive and still say ya, get the hell off the road!




(Edited by Lord Iorek 5/29/2005 at 10:43 PM).


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Quote from Lord Iorek at 7:54 PM on May 29, 2005 :
you said "ya" how old are you? If you drive and still say ya, get the hell off the road!




(Edited by Lord Iorek 5/29/2005 at 10:43 PM).



You ask foolish questions which have nothing to do with the topic,a tactic of diversion commonly used by those who cannot intelligently adress or challenge points made by another,you even indulge yourself in a little bit of fantasy in suggesting that you could ever make me get the hell off of anything,medication? frustration? or just the best you can do?
 


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I do not question the safety aspect of wearing a seatbelt, there is no doubt that they save lives including my own.

The question is rather should the government, state or otherwise, have the right to force you to do something to protect yourself. No, wearing a seatbelt belt does not infringe upon your freedom, but telling me I have to does. Someone mentioned the fact that the roads would be gridlocked because a driver went flying from their car because of the fact that they were not wearing a seatbelt. I have also been stuck in traffic because of some lame check point designed to make sure I am wearing a seatbelt, and that has occured more times than the accident scenario.

If people are that concerned about foolishness and dangerous or reckless behavior, lets include bungee jumping, skydiving, snowboarding, skiing, rock climbing, and for that matter any extreme sports. Certainly people are much safer by not allowing them to do these frivolous things and since we are protecting them from danger we are not infringing on their rights. Right?
I am not saying I am against personal safety and the safety of others, I am against all the government interferance.


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Quote from JoyieGracie at 6:27 PM on November 27, 2004 :
One of the reasons laws are in place are to protect people. Penalties for not wearing seatbelts  should definetally be enforced because the government is protecting you. Yes, it's 'your choice'. However, people get fined for DWI too, and that is also 'their choice'. Laws are in place for a reason and Penalties for not abiding are there because the fact is, people need to be TAUGHT how to make the right decissions.


DUI can kill another, not whearing a seat belt won't.




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