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Hi,
I heard some people said that Religion is religion, Science is science. And we can just separate them (for this, it seems all of the people can just stop their arguing and sit together). But I really think that there're still lots of controversial topics for both Creationism and Evolution.


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Posts: 9 | Posted: 11:47 AM on August 21, 2005 | IP
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It is my personal belief the science cannot contradict the Christian Bible, and the Christian Bible cannot contradict science. In that order.

(Edited by SilverStar 1/8/2007 at 9:15 PM).


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Posts: 681 | Posted: 9:15 PM on January 8, 2007 | IP
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Quote from SilverStar at 9:15 PM on January 8, 2007 :
It is my personal belief the science cannot contradict the Christian Bible, and the Christian Bible cannot contradict science. In that order.

(Edited by SilverStar 1/8/2007 at 9:15 PM).


You're wrong...


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Posts: 51 | Posted: 8:36 PM on May 11, 2007 | IP
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Creation is right. I will hear and answer your protests.


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Posts: 451 | Posted: 11:09 AM on August 9, 2007 | IP
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If evolution were true than why have laws? Why not kill some one if they are blocking your upword progress?


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Posts: 681 | Posted: 5:50 PM on October 10, 2007 | IP
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Post-Einstein science--that is, relativity and uncertainty principles (Bohrs)--is the tool of the left to push their secular, moral relativism agenda forward.

Liberals fear Christians because they know Christians are morally superior, and that the inability of science to explain the basic question, "how did the universe come into being?", results in many people looking at science skeptically.

When society questions science, it naturally turns to God. When people turn to God, the liberal wet dream of having a secular, relativist, socialist nation is destroyed.
 


Posts: 12 | Posted: 8:47 PM on October 10, 2007 | IP
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Yes.


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Posts: 681 | Posted: 5:18 PM on October 11, 2007 | IP
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While you each have your ideas this is not the section for this, take it to the creationism vs evolution section
 


Posts: 27 | Posted: 5:32 PM on March 8, 2008 | IP
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You must first define religion. if it is only covering a large fix religion with costumes and such than you are right. However if we were to define religion as believing in something than any thing that you believe could be considered as religion. This would include how we got here.



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Posts: 681 | Posted: 01:45 AM on March 30, 2008 | IP
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Quote from sstrang at 8:47 PM on October 10, 2007 :
Post-Einstein science--that is, relativity and uncertainty principles (Bohrs)--is the tool of the left to push their secular, moral relativism agenda forward.

Liberals fear Christians because they know Christians are morally superior, and that the inability of science to explain the basic question, "how did the universe come into being?", results in many people looking at science skeptically.

When society questions science, it naturally turns to God. When people turn to God, the liberal wet dream of having a secular, relativist, socialist nation is destroyed.


I agree with this but just a warning to any fellow creationest be very careful of this statement and never use it in an argument it will completely discredit you to anyone arguing against your viewpoint.


 


Posts: 44 | Posted: 2:09 PM on December 24, 2008 | IP
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You ask a question of evolution... A question that evolution in principle is not equipped to answer.

Its silly to ask the "why are we here" to a scientific endeavor that tries to simply explain "how we got here".

Its like asking a religion "how does nuclear physics work", it is completely unrelated and it serves no purpose whatsoever.

Evolution explains certain things, if you ask questions beyond the scope of what evolution can explain.. Its not going to give you any answers.

Ask questions that belong in the topic. Beyond that, look for your answers elsewhere.

You don't ask a biology teacher how complicated math works either. But you don't call her teachings wrong because she can't help you with math.

Or the other way around, you wouldn't call a math teachers teachings wrong because he can't help you with your biology.

So stop asking questions outside of the scope that evolution provides, and you'll stop making a fool of yourselves.
 


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Zucadragon
Its like asking a religion "how does nuclear physics work", it is completely unrelated and it serves no purpose whatsoever.
however Religion can fall back to science's current / popular theories to explain the workings of the universe without contradicting its own views (in most cases that is)



 


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while i still do not believe in evolution i also do not believe in creation any more either. i am the winged horse Heggisist, my kind have don't care enough to come up with scientific explanations for why we are here. nor do we come up with silly religious stories to tell our selves.


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Gene(s)   Gene product(s)   Unusual hominid or human-specific features      Potential relevance to the human condition

Individual genes
  
  •  FOXP2 Putative transcription factor with polyglutamine tract and forkhead DNA binding domain Two human-specific amino acid changes
         Mutant humans have motoric speech disorder (developmental verbal dyspraxia). Region positively selected and fixed in humans <200,000 years ago
        (Enard et al. 2002b; Zhang et al. 2002)

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  • MYH16 Myosin heavy chain 16 Human-specific 2-bp deletion causing frameshift—predicted 76-kD unstable head domain
    Claimed to be cause of reduction in the type II fibres of human jaw muscle. (Stedman et al. 2004; Perry et al. 2005)

  •    
  • CMAH CMP-Neu5Ac hydroxylase 92-bp deletion of exon 6 causing frameshift and inactive enzyme.
    Fixed in modern humans
    Absence of sialic acid Neu5Gc. Change in resistance or susceptibility to pathogens.
    Loss of ligand for some Siglecs. Dated ∼2.5–3 Mya. Dietary Neu5Gc in meat became foreign antigen
        (Chou et al. 1998, 2002; Irie et al. 1998; Hayakawa et al. 2001)

  •    
  • MAOA Monoamine oxidase A Human-specific nonconservative change Glu151Lys in active site
        Substitution affects protein dimerization according to a 3D structural model and predicts functional change (Andres et al. 2004)

  •   
  •  ASPM Modulator of mitotic spindle in neural progenitors?
        Accelerated evolution in ape and human lineages
        Deletions in ASPM lead to microcephaly.
        Presumed to be related to increased brain size and/or other features of human brain
        (Zhang 2003; Dorus et al. 2004; Evans et al. 2004; Kouprina et al. 2004b; Mekel-Bobrov et al. 2005)

  •   
  •  MCPH1 Microcephalin As above As above (Dorus et al. 2004; Evans et al. 2004, 2005)

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  • TTR Transthyretin Decreased expression in humans in blood and brain
    May be related to altered thyroid hormone metabolism in humans versus chimpanzees (Gagneux et al. 2001)

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  • ST6GAL1 Alpha 2–6 sialyltransferase Apparent human-specific up-regulation on epithelia
        Can explain relative resistance of chimpanzees to human influenza A virus. Other consequences unknown. (Gagneux et al. 2003)

  •    
  • EMR4 EGF-TM7 receptor family Human-specific deletion in exon 8. Frameshift
        Predominantly expressed by immune system cells. Functional significance unknown (Hamann et al. 2003)

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  • PCDH11Y Protocadherin XY Duplicated onto Y in Yp11.2/Xq21.3 pseudoautosomal region only in humans
        Expressed from Y and escapes X-inactivation? Y copy has undergone structural changes.
        Selectively expressed in brain. Probable adhesion molecule. Significance unknown, hypothesized to be involved in brain development,
        lateralization and schizophrenia risk
        (Ross et al. 2003; Blanco-Arias et al. 2004)

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  • IL9R (Y) Interleukin-9 receptor As above Expressed from Y and escapes X-inactivation?
        Growth factor for T cells, mast cells, and macrophages. Significance unknown. Related to asthma? (Vermeesch et al. 1997)

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  • SPRY3 Sprouty 3 As above Expressed from Y and escapes X-inactivation? Cysteine-rich protein—
        Homolog of Drosophila antagonist of FGF signaling that patterns apical airways branching. Significance unknown (Vermeesch et al. 1997)

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  • SYBL1 Synaptobrevin-like As above Inactive on Y chromosome? Significance unknown (Vermeesch et al. 1997)

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  • KRTHAP1 Type 1 acidic hair keratin Human-specific single bp substitution and termination codon  
        Different hair keratin expression pattern noted in the hair follicle. Inactivated 0.25 Mya?
        Possibly related to human:ape differences in hair (Winter et al. 2001)

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  • RLN Relaxin hormone Human-specific expression in placenta and corpus luteum
        Possibly related to differences in reproductive biology (Evans et al. 1994)

  •    
  • ELN Tropoelastin 2 exons deleted. Open reading frame maintained Extracellular matrix component, including vascular wall.
        Alteration in vascular wall structure? (Szabo et al. 1999)

  •    
  • SIGLEC11 Siglec-11 Human-specific gene conversion by adjacent pseudogene, maintaining ORF
        Change in binding specificity for sialic acids.
        Human-specific expression in brain microglia. Biological consequences unknown (Hayakawa et al. 2005)

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  • CASP12P1 Caspase-12—cysteine protease related to ICE subfamily Human-specific disruption of SHG box required for activity.
        Premature stop codon also in most humans In rodents, Casp12 mediates apoptosis in response to ER stress.
        Human SNP can restore full-length caspase proenzyme which confers hypo-responsiveness to LPS-stimulated cytokine production
        but has no significant effect on apoptotic sensitivity.
    (Fischer et al. 2002)


  • Gene families

       
  • OR (17p13, etc.) Olfactory receptors Many more human pseudogenes and fewer active genes in this large family
        Related to diminished human olfactory capabilities? However, some intact genes show evidence of positive selection (Gilad et al. 2003a,b 2004)

  •    
  • TAS2R (12p13, 7q31, 7q34, etc.) Bitter taste receptors Fixation of loss-of-function mutations
        Proposed relaxation of selective constraint and loss of function (Wang et al. 2004; Fischer et al. 2005)

  •    
  • SIGLEC (19q13) CD33-related innate immune system regulating genes Mutations, deletions, gene conversions, expression changes
        Sialic acid recognizing signaling receptors. Changes in binding, expression patterns, etc.
        Could be partly a secondary consequence of human loss of Neu5Gc
        (Angata et al. 2001; Sonnenburg et al. 2004; The Chimpanzee Sequencing and Analysis Consortium 2005)

  •    
  • COX (multiple locations) Mitochondria cytochrome oxidase subunits Multiple genes show rapid evolution in hominids.
        COX5A specifically in humans Altered electron transport chain.
        Enhanced oxidative phosphorylation postulated to support increased brain energy consumption?
        (Grossman et al. 2004; Goodman et al. 2005)

  •    
  • SPANX (Xq27.1) Sperm proteins associated with nucleus—genes on X chromosome
        SPANX-C is specific to humans. SPANX-B has duplicated in humans
        Rapidly evolving in all hominids.
            Expressed in normal testis, and in some cancers
            (Kouprina et al. 2004a)

  •    
  • Morpheus (multiple locations) Proteins not characterized yet Contained within large duplicated regions in humans and apes Evidence of rapid evolution.
           Most extreme case of positive selection among hominids. Some human-specific sequences. Functional significance uncertain (Johnson et al. 2001)

  •    
  • LILR (19q13.4) Leukocyte Ig-like receptors Rapid evolution, only few clear orthologs between chimpanzee and human Part of a larger family of genes.
        Involved in recognizing “self” via molecules like MHC (Canavez et al. 2001)

  •    
  • KIR (19q13.4) Killer inhibitory receptors Rapid evolution, only few orthologs clear between chimpanzee and human
           Expressed in NK cells. Recognize “self” molecules like MHC (Hao and Nei 2005; Sambrook et al. 2005)

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  • TRG (7p14) T cell receptors 4 TCRs are pseudogenes in humans Part of a larger family of genes.
        Functional significance uncertain (Meyer-Oslon et al. 2003)

  • FCGR1 (1p and 1q) High affinity IgG-Fc receptors Pericentric inversion, distinguishing human from chimpanzee chromosome 1
          Functional significance of inversion uncertain (Maresco et al. 1998)

  •    
  • IGKV (2p11.2) κ light chains of immunoglobulins Possible human specific duplication Part of a larger family of genes. Functional significance uncertain
        (Ermert et al. 1995)

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  • GYP (4q28-q31, 2q14-q21) Glycophorins Accelerated evolution in humans Red blood cell proteins.
          Rapid evolution of extra cellular domain, likely due to selection pressure by merozoite
         stage of Plasmodium falciparum
        (Rearden et al. 1990; Baum et al. 2002; Wang et al. 2003)

  •    
  • LCE (1q21) Epidermal differentiation complex High density of rapidly evolving genes
        Proteins that help form the cornified layer of the skin barrier (Marshall et al. 2001; The Chimpanzee Sequencing and Analysis Consortium 2005)

  •    
  • CST (20p11) Cystatins As above
        Physiological cysteine proteinase inhibitors (The Chimpanzee Sequencing and Analysis Consortium 2005)

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  • PSG (19q13) Pregnancy-specific β-1-glycoproteins As above High quantities secreted by placental trophoblasts.
        Exact physiologic role during pregnancy unknown (The Chimpanzee Sequencing and Analysis Consortium 2005)

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  • KRT (17q21) Hair keratins and keratin-associated proteins As above
        Major components of the cytoskeleton in hair and skin epithelial cells (The Chimpanzee Sequencing and Analysis Consortium 2005)

  •    
  • WFDC (20q13) Protein domains with homology to whey acidic protein (WAP) As above Postulated protease inhibitors.
        Possible host defense against invading micro-organisms or regulation of endogenous proteolytic enzymes
        (The Chimpanzee Sequencing and Analysis Consortium 2005)



(Edited by Apoapsis 1/17/2013 at 12:03 PM).


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