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Dr. Todd Wood, YEC PhD, is at it again:

"After many years in this debate, I've come to the uncomfortable conclusion that we creationists have made an idol of our own arguments. I don't say this lightly or flippantly either. This is a deadly serious problem, and the conservative wing of Christianity desperately needs to address it."



Which is why the "no transitional fossils" lie will never die - worshipping idols prevents them from being abandoned, regardless of the evidence...

Cue namecalling and accusations by conservative wing 'christians'...


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Lester:

"I said I have a doctorate and a university background in anatomy, physiology, biochemistry, physics, chemistry, pathology etc. ..."
 


Posts: 1646 | Posted: 12:00 PM on November 4, 2009 | IP
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By now some of my readers probably think I've gone way off the deep end. Fair enough. Let me leave you with another chilling possibility. What if we teach the next generation that there is no evidence for evolution? And what if we're wrong? What do you think will happen when those kids find out? I think what will happen is the same thing that always happens. They'll be disillusioned and fall away from the faith. I've heard of this happening, and I've seen it happen. People find out that all the antievolution arguments in the world won't survive a semester of basic biology at a secular university. While we thought we were teaching them to believe in Christ, we instead taught them to idolize our arguments about Christ. And when those arguments are shown to be incomplete, inadequate, or just wrong, that idolatry (which we thought was real faith) slips away.

That's why I want my students to know the truth about evolution. It's not bogus. It's not a failure. There's lots of evidence in its favor. But that just doesn't make it true. Have faith in the risen Christ, and it will not matter what scientists tell you (or anyone else, for that matter).


The nature of idolatry

I've said many times that creationism is a form of idolatry.

And for some more:

Don't believe me? Try telling a creationist that there is evidence for evolution. Watch how tenaciously they'll argue against you. They might even try to insult you, maybe call you bipolar or just plain ignorant. They'll certainly question your creationist "credentials." Only an evolutionist would say there's evidence for evolution! I've even been told that I'm going to lead people away from faith in Christ by my position on evolution. Imagine that. What kind of world is this where telling the truth about something would lead someone away from faith? The only way that could possibly be true is if our faith is actually wrong, which it isn't.

Now, WHO would do such a thing?


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Pogge:” This is the volume of a sphere with a 62 kilometer (about 39 miles) radius, which is considerably smaller than the 2,000 mile radius of the Earth.”
Wikipedia:” For Earth, the mean radius is 6,371.009 km(≈3,958.761 mi; ≈3,440.069 nmi).”
Wisp to Lester (on Pogge): Do you admit he was wrong about the basics?
Lester: No

 


Posts: 1747 | Posted: 2:29 PM on November 4, 2009 | IP
Galileo

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Quote from Apoapsis at 2:29 PM on
That's why I want my students to know the truth about evolution. It's not bogus. It's not a failure. There's lots of evidence in its favor. But that just doesn't make it true.


No the Facts make it true.

I find it weird to have a creationist talk like that...saying things that are....well, true and sensible.



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Posts: 160 | Posted: 3:21 PM on November 4, 2009 | IP
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Man... That's touching... Seriously...

I do happen to be convinced that their faith is wrong to the core, but still.

My position isn't conciliatory. I know that saying that Christianity and Science can get along and coexist peacefully in an individual would get more people towards Science and reason than what i say, but... I just can't lie.

Nevertheless i do believe that this guy is being honest. And that, given his situation, is admirable.

Fencer is quite admirable as well.

Damn, i wish i could respect Lester too.

Lester, you don't need to get smart, or even to believe in Evolution. Just start being honest, man! For Christ's sake! Admitting mistakes is not a sign of weakness!

Edit: I hope it's not just that he had political reasons to pretend to believe in YECism, and the "change of mind" responded to a political reason too.


(Edited by wisp 11/5/2009 at 3:21 PM).


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Quote from Lester10 at 2:51 PM on September 21, 2010 in the thread
Scientists assert (by Lester):

Ha Ha. (...) I've told you people endlessly about my evidence but you don't want to show me yours - you just assert.
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Would we see a mammal by the water's edge "suddenly" start breathing underwater(w/camera effect of course)?
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Posts: 3037 | Posted: 4:33 PM on November 4, 2009 | IP
    
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