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I believe we were in fact created. but not by God.  By "extra terrestrials" of greater intelligence.
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the bibles says "chariot of fire"  in that time the only word for a vehicle was chariot. and the fire part, well doesnt that happen when you enter earths atmosphere?
Alein Abductions: There checking up on us or wonderin what we've become?
Ancient hyroglyphics: they show figures of "godly power" with enlongated heads and huge eyes?    
[center]maybe thats god?


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Posts: 23 | Posted: 02:59 AM on June 4, 2003 | IP
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Please tell me you are joking.
 


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Please tell me you are joking

Why is his belief any less credible than religious beliefs?

Is Christianity and Islam more credible than the idea of alien creators?

Most people will respect a persons belief in a strange deity or spiritual power, but if someone even suggests alien creators they are deemed a wacko.
Ever wondered why this is?


 


Posts: 0 | Posted: 9:59 PM on June 4, 2003 | IP
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I am truly sorry.  That was very inappropriate and rude.  I will try to refrain from making comments like that in the future, but unfortunately, I tend to do stupid things like that.  

the bibles says "chariot of fire"  in that time the only word for a vehicle was chariot. and the fire part, well doesnt that happen when you enter earths atmosphere?


There are also comets, meteors, and space debris that enter the atmosphere all the time, and produce the same effect.  It is much more plausible then alien visitors.

Alein Abductions: There checking up on us or wonderin what we've become

I don't think that a single instance of alien abduction has credibly passed any scientific review, or been substantiated.  The very nature of their abductions are skeptical at best.  Isn't it just a little coincidental that they all "abductees" report being violated sexually? Isnt it much more plausible that they most likely experienced sexual abuse in their past and are simply in denial?  Sexual abuse affects people greatly, and it is easier for many to cope by saying that they were abducted than admitting that (as is usually the case) they were molested by someone that they respested and trusted.  

Also, from a merely logical point: Extraterrestial beings have the technology to travel faster than light, yet their medical technology is so primitive that the only way they can examine us is by sticking blunt objects up our butts?  If they came here, wouldnt they have something better to do than that?
 


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heh dont worry i wasnt having a go at you! I was just asking why it was that we never treat alien believers as serious people - me included often.

Basically as you have said there is no evidence for aliens, everything is easier explained naturally, also it is not logical why aliens would be interested in us. But people still believe in aliens.

Now take that above paragraph and replace the word "aliens" with "god" and you can see it is a similar position which can probably be defended in the same faith based way.
 


Posts: 66 | Posted: 06:36 AM on June 6, 2003 | IP
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Good point.  That is a kind of double standard that exists in society.  Regardless, people still do believe in aliens and such. Why? I don't know.  I guess it is rather like that poster with the picture of the UFO that says "I want to believe".  If people really want to believe something, they will believe it, regardless of whether it is true or not.  
 


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the bibles says "chariot of fire"  in that time the only word for a vehicle was chariot. and the fire part, well doesnt that happen when you enter earths atmosphere?


There are also comets, meteors, and space debris that enter the atmosphere all the time, and produce the same effect.  It is much more plausible then alien visitors.

Did people come out of the comet and give a religious quest to the person?  YES!
and to say space debris would help my belief in the fact that we had not gone to space so the debris was from a race that has!


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sorry but im still an aextraterrestrialthesist - I cannot believe in aliens pretending to be  gods without some harsh evidence.
 


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I'm sorry but this seems very ridiculous to me, althought it seems like a more plausable explanation than creationism.  However I believe that this idea falls to Occum's razor which i personally hold quite a bit of stock in.  For example it seems more pluasable that the "chariot" was spacial debris colliding with the atmosphere rather than a space ship.  Also be careful that you don't start mixing sources (egypt and christianity).
 


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I also belive that a highly advanced race would not play "god".  I that as a race evolves it becomes more self-actualized (sorry about spelling), and therefore would find it morally wrong to do such a thing and would feel no need and find no reason to do so, simply because they would feel that controling their own life is all they need.
 


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Well I think it would be more complicated than that. An alien civilisation could hold a startrek view where they never interfere with less developed civilisations. Or they could try and encourage the survival of all underdeveloped species by helping them along.

Also of course a rogue member of an alien civilisation could have gone against the rules and visited earth. who knows.
 


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true...but thats just an assumption that all religious people have as well.


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Posts: 23 | Posted: 6:39 PM on June 11, 2003 | IP
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all religious beliefs are based on the same basic thing...creation.   Egypt and christianity are just branches of a base religion there are differences and things that are the same.


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I don't think that a single instance of alien abduction has credibly passed any scientific review, or been substantiated.


dude what has science proved?
science has failed just like the fire cracker i bought last night...lol


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These aliens you believe in. Has science failed for them?
 


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First off I want to say that even as an atheist I?m offended that you would fundamentally group all the religions into one, they all have many, many differences and should be recognized as such.  

Now i think you're missing the concept of grasping humanitarian values through psychological evolution to gain self-actualization.  This is an intrinsic aspect to your alien idea and I feel you need to address it as such.  I think it is appropriate as well as essential to prescribe certain cognitive judgments as a standard in relation to evolutional development.  I think it is fair to say that a prescription of self-actualization would be completely sensical.  Therefore i do not think that any alien race that has advanced enough to be able to manipulate and create genetics would have reached the evolutional point of self actualization and would feel content in and of themselves and have no desire to either intrude upon or create another civilization, especially when such a creation would be but a microcosm within the span and evolution of the universe.  As well as the fact that such an action would most likely defy their personally as well as socially held moral values and extreme grasp of humanitarian values.  

Therefore I think it is a safe conclusion that the idea of being created by aliens is simply illogical

 


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I have a serious problem with alien abductions. Why the hell would any advanced race that can travel the cosmos at the speed of light or better even bother with the pitiful race of weak self-centered incomptent creatures known as humans? Yes I am abusive toward the human race, but I am abusive equally.


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Quote from deathisonsale at 6:50 PM on June 11, 2003 :
I don't think that a single instance of alien abduction has credibly passed any scientific review, or been substantiated.


dude what has science proved?
science has failed just like the fire cracker i bought last night...lol



I find it absurd that you question the validity of science while typing on a keyboard and posting things over the internet.

Chariots of the Gods is a nice fictional story, as are all abduction claims.  Did you know that most abductions are actually caused by "sleep paralysis".

Welcome to reality, buckle up, it's going to be a bumpy ride for you if you believe in non-sense.
 


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I think the point being that science has failed to PROVE anything.  All science is is a bunch of theories and "best guesses".  No matter how hard you try, science will never be exact and 100%.  Scientists believe they know all the answers and if they dont they can find them.  What everyone needs to realize is that there are some things we dont need to know.  And some things we are not meant to know.  As for me there is one sure thing that I know --Jesus is my savior and I believe he died on a cross to pay for my sins.  Prove me wrong.
 


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"science will never be exact and 100%"

Nothing ever will be exact and 100%, except some basic maths of course.

"What everyone needs to realize is that there are some things we dont need to know"
Ironically one could be 'is there a God?' we don't need to know if there is a God do we?

"--Jesus is my savior and I believe he died on a cross to pay for my sins.  Prove me wrong."

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Quote from Guest at 5:40 PM on October 8, 2003 :
I think the point being that science has failed to PROVE anything.  All science is is a bunch of theories and "best guesses".  No matter how hard you try, science will never be exact and 100%.  


Um...nothing can be 100%-you can't prove anything 100%.  Only a truly ignorant person would even make such a claim.  Science relies on the best reasonable certainty that we can have.

You are being massively hypocritical by responding via a computer (let's all thank science for that) about how science is nothing more then 'guesses'.

Quote from Guest at 5:40 PM on October 8, 2003 :Scientists believe they know all the answers and if they dont they can find them.  


Please provide one scientist who has said this, add proper context as well.

(I'm betting you can't ;) )

Quote from Guest at 5:40 PM on October 8, 2003 :What everyone needs to realize is that there are some things we dont need to know.  And some things we are not meant to know.  As for me there is one sure thing that I know --Jesus is my savior and I believe he died on a cross to pay for my sins.  Prove me wrong.


Jesus?  Why should we believe in Jesus, their is absolutely NO solid evidence of his existence-much less the claim of Jesus being God.

Besides, if Jesus is real, I'm just as assured a ticket to heaven as you are-he died for ALL our sins, remember?  

That would include the sin of unbelief :D.




But then again, I don't truly believe in the toothfairy, so why should I believe in Jesus-it's absurd I tell you!

 


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Jesus is and was a really person! Just read the Bible. And he did die for everyone but you have to believe that he died for you so that you can be forgiven.  

                <>< God Loves You All ><>
 


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i cant prove that Jesus was the son of God and that he walked the earth but i can tell you this. People have found the table cloth used at the last supper. People have found evidence that a man did walk that earth named Jesus and that he did claim to be the son of God. I believe in Jesus. I believe he is the son of God and he went to the cross so that I may be saved. so that you may be saved. But you have to except the gift of salvation in order to recieve it.
so how am i suppose to PROVE to you, 100%, that  Jesus, the Son of God (whom created the entire universe) is for real?? well...i can't. thats where faith comes into play. I know that this is all real because i can feel it. I have experienced the love Jesus has for me and i cannot explain it to you. You will never understand until you experience it too.

*a heart that seeks God, finds him*


 


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Nothing can be proven but that doesn't mean we can't have our own beliefs.
 


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Random belief. This is what the 'modern' generation subdues to, failing to realise the power in belief in God. Belief in God is not based on experimentatin, it is based on faith which comes by spiritual revelation. People choose not to hear God's call and hence fall for 'modernism' which they deem palatable for their situation.


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Random belief. This is what the 'modern' generation subdues to, failing to realise the power in belief in God. Belief in God is not based on experimentatin, it is based on faith which comes by spiritual revelation. People choose not to hear God's call and hence fall for 'modernism' which they deem palatable for their situation.


Uh-oh. My position's been compromised. I consciously decide to reject God and a promise of eternal bliss. Yep. I don't like the idea that I could be happy forever, so I pretend God doesn't exist.


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Besides, if Jesus is real, I'm just as assured a ticket to heaven as you are-he died for ALL our sins, remember?

Acts 2:37 Now when they heard this, they were pricked in their heart, and said unto Peter and the rest of the apostles, Brethren, what shall we do?
38 And Peter said unto them, Repent ye, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ unto the remission of your sins; and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Spirit.
39 For to you is the promise, and to your children, and to all that are afar off, even as many as the Lord our God shall call unto him.
40 And with many other words he testified, and exhorted them, saying, Save yourselves from this crooked generation.
41 They then that received his word were baptized: and there were added unto them in that day about three thousand souls.

Just because his grace was sufficient for you doesn't mean he's going to force you into heaven.  That is completely up to you.


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Salvation is life in Jesus Christ, not in belief of carnal “aliens” which profess supremacy. John 3:16 simply says (there’s immense power in simplicity): “ For God so loved the world that He gave His only begotten Son Jesus Christ that who ever believes in Him shall not perish but have eternal life. More specifically who ever believes…. Yes Jesus died for all our sins but you need to believe and have faith in Him.


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Salvation is life in Jesus Christ, not in belief of carnal “aliens” which profess supremacy. John 3:16 simply says (there’s immense power in simplicity): “ For God so loved the world that He gave His only begotten Son Jesus Christ that who ever believes in Him shall not perish but have eternal life. More specifically who ever believes…. Yes Jesus died for all our sins but you need to believe and have faith in Him.


Another standalone assertion of equal obligation to faith:

Church of the Flying Spaghetti Monster

Next time, would you terribly mind explaining how simply having faith makes your beliefs anymore attention-worthy of the "modern generation" than, say, what you called "Random Belief"?


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Flying Spaghetti Monsterism (FSM) is a satirical parody religion created to protest the decision by the Kansas State Board of Education to allow intelligent design to be taught in science classes alongside evolution.

(from Wikipedia)

And besides (hear my English teacher cringing) our posts were in direct response to Guest's post.  He was making an assertion as if he had actually read the Bible.  Obviously, any religious experience he has had is with nothing more than a John 3:16 church (not a dig at Cipher's post, but there are alot of congregations that don't seem to delve much deeper than John 3:16 and a potato salad after service.  No wonder so many people are confused about Christianity).  I was showing him, from the Bible, that his assertion was false.  I was not trying to convince him that the Bible was true, but that his understanding of Christianity is lacking.  


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The uncaused fundamemtal cause has called us to be manangers (stewards) of his creation and obedient to His word. It is up you to hear his call and live to give glory to him.  Faith is the substance of things hoped for, the evidence of things not seen, well, once you see you will be affirmed. Pity if you had no faith.


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The uncaused fundamemtal cause has called us to be manangers (stewards) of his creation and obedient to His word. It is up you to hear his call and live to give glory to him.  Faith is the substance of things hoped for, the evidence of things not seen, well, once you see you will be affirmed. Pity if you had no faith.


Yet another assertion for which you care not to produce any support.


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