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But the point is... these methods were modern at the time, just as today's methods are modern now, but won't be years from now.  Experts can (and often are) wrong.


The scientifici method hasn't changed for over 100 years. In that time, we've made the largest scientific advancements in history.


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Creation was never fully dis proven. The reason that evolution appeals to so many is that it means that you are no longer responsible for the things that you do. You can say that the reason that you robbed the bank is that you have bank robbing gene.


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Creation was never fully dis proven. The reason that evolution appeals to so many is that it means that you are no longer responsible for the things that you do. You can say that the reason that you robbed the bank is that you have bank robbing gene.


That is utter tripe. No evolutionary biologist has ever claimed that DNA is the sole cause in everything we do in life.

Further, there are plenty of evolution-accepting scientists who also believe in God.


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It is possible for some thing to evolve. It make more sense that a god created life and the that deity let life take it from there.


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It is possible for some thing to evolve. It make more sense that a god created life and the that deity let life take it from there.


There you go. Until Abiogenesis is recreated, I don't have a problem with that line of thinking.


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But the point is... these methods were modern at the time, just as today's methods are modern now, but won't be years from now.  Experts can (and often are)
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But years from now, the expertw will still be using the scientific method, which builds on what has gone before.  
Yes experts can be wrong, that's what's so great about science, it changes with new data,
religious dogma does not.  
The theory of evolution has been too successful, made to many accurate predictions, it is valid and will never be overturned, modified, yes, it's accuracy will increase, but common descent is a fact that is too well established by the evidence we have now, it will never be overturned.
 


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Creation was never fully dis proven.

Creationism has been completely falsified, there is no chance that it could be valid.

The reason that evolution appeals to so many is that it means that you are no longer responsible for the things that you do.

This is not true, volution is a natural phenomenon and means no such thing.

You can say that the reason that you robbed the bank is that you have bank robbing gene.

Or, just as accurate, you can say God told you to rob a bank.  And please tell us what the "bank robbing gene" is...
 


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Oh, come on now, you surely heard that everything is genetic, haven't you?  How long ago was it that they'd (whoever they are) had decided that there was a "God" gene.  Or that homosexuality is genetic.  There is no "god", so there can be nothing remotely "spiritual" or "moral" (after all, morality can't be defined) so everything must be "natural".  That way, nobody is actually responsible for their own actions anymore.  Isn't it liberating?  At least until the judgment.


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Oh, come on now, you surely heard that everything is genetic, haven't you?  How long ago was it that they'd (whoever they are) had decided that there was a "God" gene.  Or that homosexuality is genetic.  There is no "god", so there can be nothing remotely "spiritual" or "moral" (after all, morality can't be defined) so everything must be "natural".  That way, nobody is actually responsible for their own actions anymore.  Isn't it liberating?  At least until the judgment.


Laws are based on much more than common moral ground, and even if they weren't, I know of no people (atheist or otherwise) who are both criminals and smart enough to figure all that genetic stuff out. If there existed an atheist agenda to get rid of morality so we could "liberate" ourselves, this conspiracy sure didn't start in the United States. I haven't noticed any biologists proclaiming that we ought to abolish morals and do whatever the hell we want. There's a fine line between nihilism and common sense.

You know what else laws are based on? You guessed it--our genes. It is beneficial for our society to be structured. That's what any biologist with a true understanding human evolution would say.


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There is no "god", so there can be nothing remotely "spiritual" or "moral" (after all, morality can't be defined) so everything must be "natural".

Spiritual and moral aren't synonomous.  Morality is not based on spirituality.  

That way, nobody is actually responsible for their own actions anymore.  Isn't it liberating?  At least until the judgment.

Where does evolution teach this?!?!  You creationists like to hammer this straw man home but can't back it up!  We see other animals have their own morality yet we see no evidence that they base it on religion!  So your flimsy argument doesn't hold water.
 


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And why don't you see that, since God created everything, there is every likelihood that created beings would have some innate sense of morality (not that all would follow it).  Your idea that morality exists outside of God doesn't make any sense in a world that God created.  Atheists consider religion to be a part (however small) of life.  Christians consider religion to be.


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And why don't you see that, since God created everything, there is every likelihood that created beings would have some innate sense of morality (not that all would
follow it).


First of all, I don't see that God has created everything.  Second of all, since we see varying degrees of morality in other animals, evolution is the most logical explaination of morality.

Your idea that morality exists outside of God doesn't make any sense in a world that God created.

Sure it does!  Evolution gives us a means of understanding morality, how it developed, how it works.  Understanding it allows us to practically apply this knowledge.  If, as you claim, God supernaturally instilled a sense of morality in us, we can never understand how it works and therefore can never use it for any practical applications.  Goddidit stops all learning and usefullness.  IF there is an all loving, all knowing God, you would think He would give us the means to understand his creation and use it to it's fullest advantage.  The theory of evolution allows us to do this.

Atheists consider religion to be a part (however small) of life.

Not so much life as human culture.

Christians consider religion to be.

Be what?
 


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Christians consider religion to be.

Be what?



Try reality, for some of us. the Christian world is to big to us general statements.


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