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Quantum fluctuations.

Thats 2 words. not proof.


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Posts: 451 | Posted: 9:59 PM on September 3, 2007 | IP
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Quantum fluctuations.
Thats 2 words. not proof.

If you knew what quantum fluctuations were, it would be proof.  I guess you just want to remain ignorant, are you afraid that knowledge will destroy your faith?
 


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were is the proof?



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were is the proof?

Look here and do the calculations and experiments yourself...
QuantumFluctuations
 


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i saw no proof


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Posts: 451 | Posted: 6:04 PM on September 6, 2007 | IP
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i saw no proof

Once again, your ignorance is not evidence!  Explain to us what quantum fluctuations are and how they are NOT proof for the Big Bang happening uncaused.

From here:
QuantumFluctuations

"What produced the energy before inflation? This is perhaps the ultimate question. As crazy as it might seem, the energy may have come out of nothing! The meaning of "nothing" is somewhat ambiguous here. It might be the vacuum in some pre-existing space and time, or it could be nothing at all – that is, all concepts of space and time were created with the universe itself.

Quantum theory, and specifically Heisenberg’s uncertainty principle, provide a natural explanation for how that energy may have come out of nothing. Throughout the universe, particles and antiparticles spontaneously form and quickly annihilate each other without violating the law of energy conservation. These spontaneous births and deaths of so-called "virtual particle" pairs are known as "quantum fluctuations." Indeed, laboratory experiments have proven that quantum fluctuations occur everywhere, all the time. Virtual particle pairs (such as electrons and positrons) directly affect the energy levels of atoms, and the predicted energy levels disagree with the experimentally measured levels unless quantum fluctuations are taken into account."


 


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i dont understand THAT. im only 11


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i dont understand THAT. im only 11

The key phrase there is energy came out of nothing.  Therefore, our universe may have self formed without a need for a first cause.
 


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Yea. and hitler will win the noble peace prize.


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Yea. and hitler will win the noble peace prize.

Well, Hitler was a christian...
 


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(faints from shock) WHAT!!! he slaughtered over 6 million jews alone!! read your history man!!!!


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(faints from shock) WHAT!!! he slaughtered over 6 million jews alone!!

Yes he did and he used his christian faith to justify that slaughter.

read your history man!!!!

"My feelings as a Christian points me to my Lord and Savior as a fighter. It points me to the man who once in loneliness, surrounded by a few followers, recognized these Jews for what they were and summoned men to fight against them and who, God's truth! was greatest not as a sufferer but as a fighter. In boundless love as a Christian and as a man I read through the passage which tells us how the Lord at last rose in His might and seized the scourge to drive out of the Temple the brood of vipers and adders. How terrific was His fight for the world against the Jewish poison. To-day, after two thousand years, with deepest emotion I recognize more profoundly than ever before the fact that it was for this that He had to shed His blood upon the Cross. As a Christian I have no duty to allow myself to be cheated, but I have the duty to be a fighter for truth and justice... And if there is anything which could demonstrate that we are acting rightly it is the distress that daily grows. For as a Christian I have also a duty to my own people."

-Adolf Hitler, in a speech on 12 April 1922 (Norman H. Baynes, ed. The Speeches of Adolf Hitler, April 1922-August 1939, Vol. 1 of 2, pp. 19-20, Oxford University Press, 1942)

You're the one that needs to read history (and science).


 


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thats a speech to make him look good.


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thats a speech to make him look good.

He was raised a Christian.
 


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proof please.


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proof please.

I thought you said you read history...Guess you never read about Adolph Hitler.
 


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i read all about WWII and plenty about hitler and of all the books i read i never saw proof for a chistian hitler. ever.


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i read all about WWII and plenty about hitler and of all the books i read i never saw proof for a chistian hitler. ever.

Well you didn't read enough then.  Hitler was raised Catholic, Catholics are christian.  That's a fact.  And I posted one of many, many references to Hitler's speeches where he justifies his actions by his christianity.  Are you saying Hitler didn't believe Christ was the so of god?  Then show us something to back this up.  Are you saying that Hitler claimed he wasn't christian?  Then show us somewhere he said this.  But I showed you that Hitler himself said he was a christain and was acting in the name of god.
 


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well, if he was, he was one nutty christian. Christians no that "Do not kill" is still in affect. It was NOT god who told him massacre 98 percent of Europes jews. he was possesed by a demon.


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well, if he was, he was one nutty christian. Christians no that "Do not kill" is still in
affect.


The Crusades
The Salem witch trials
President Bush and the Iraq war.
Seems like a lot of Christians don't know "Do not kill".

It was NOT god who told him massacre 98 percent of Europes jews. he was possesed by a demon.

Proof please...
 


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god is a loving god. the crusades where lead by the pope. the witch trials where not done by christians


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god is a loving god.

Then why did he wipe out all mankind except for Noah and his family.  That is not a loving god!  Why did he slay thousands of Egyptian first born children?  That is not a loving god!  Why did he destroy Sodam and Gomorah?  That is not a loving god!

the crusades where lead by the pope.

And the Pope was a christian and all the soldiers, knights and nobles fighting against the muslims were also christians.

the witch trials where not done by
christians


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"Puritans also believed the Devil was as real as God. Everyone was faced with the struggle between the powers of good and evil, but Satan would select the weakest individuals—women, children, the insane—to carry out his work. Those who followed Satan were considered witches. Witchcraft was one of the greatest crimes a person could commit, punishable by death.

In keeping with the Puritan code of conformity, the first women to be accused of witchcraft in Salem were seen as different and as social outcasts: Tituba, a slave; Sarah Good, a homeless beggar; and Sarah Osborne, a sickly old woman who married her servant."

Creationest6 you are wrong again, the Salem wtich trials were conducted by Pritans, who are christian.

 


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That is not a loving god!

Before he killed everybody but noah, he warned them for over 100 years! god would have spared soddom and gomorah, if he found 10 good men absoulotely everyone in soddom and gommorah was evil. THe pope had good reason to drive the pagans out of the holy land. the chistians for the withch trials where paranoid.



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That is not a loving god!

Right, your god is not a loving god!

Before he killed everybody but noah, he warned them for over 100 years!

And I'm sure the young children and bobies took that warning to heart!  How would a warning to a 1 year old child change that child's fate?!?  Your god killed thousands of innocent children, a warning meant nothing to them.
And I'm sure all those millions of animals deserved to die in a flood that they had nothing to do in causing.
Yeah, that's a reall loving god you have there!

god would have spared soddom and gomorah, if he found 10 good men absoulotely everyone in soddom and gommorah was
evil.


Yeah those new born infants are really evil...
They deserved to be killed by a righteous god!

THe pope had good reason to drive the pagans out of the holy land.

Yeah, what reason was that?  The muslims lived there, the Holy land was their home, what was the pope's "good reason" for slaughtering them?  

the chistians for the withch trials where paranoid.

And yet, they were christians...You said
Christians no that "Do not kill" is still in affect.

A quick look at history shows us that christians DO kill, a quick look at the bible shows us that not only do christians kill, but god kills, he can't even live by his own rules!  
Now, Hitler killed too, Hitler was a christian, he had his own good reasons to kill.  Christians are a blood thirsty bunch...
 


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Of course we Question it, that is what this is all about, but let me show you the faith ballance.

Humanist                                         Creationist
Matter makes itself/             In the Begging God
Matter is eternal
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An immense amount of
power appears from nowhere
smashing all the matter apart
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Magnets can reverse themselves
for no apparent reason
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Life came from rock and water
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Life was able to survive on an
earth that was spining really fast
(Earth is slowing down)
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Some how intellegence springs
from non intellegence.

Now which side is easier?
 


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None of it makes sense... your science is wrong therefor invalid. Read some science books.


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Now which side is easier?

Until you can show us evidence for an eternal, omnipotent intelligent god, natual forces is the only explaination that makes sense.
 


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