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Possibly off topic.  I apologize...

Apes?

How can humans be apes? I mean, don't bull **** me that I don't know evolution. I've been taught evolution(since Junior high) and all I heard from my *** head professor in Sac State is natural selection somehow did the trick. I mean where is the proof. Just telling me that we, humans came from apes is bull ****. And don't tell me, "Our fossil records" prove that we have evolved from apes. "Yes boys and girls, we have evolved from apes" funny!!! lol

Science is NOT evolution. Evolution is an RELIGION. What does Science has to to with evolution??? Don't get me wrong, I love science. Tell me, what does Budwiser beer has to do with athletes? It's has nothing to do with athletes, but we see it all the time while watching super ball, basketball, etc... Same thing with evolution, it has nothing to do with science. It's pure Religion and it's supported by our government. Way to go congress! NOT.

If you believe in evolution, you have to believe that there is no God and you have to believe that you somehow evolved from a rock(There is not even a shred of evidence for the theory of evolution. Not even the "fossil record". Actually, fossil record proves that there was a world wide flood. (Google it if you need more info on that.)

If I can have a brave fellow to answer these questions???
Q1 CAN MATTER BE CREATED OR DESTROYED?
Q2 Where did all the laws of physics came from?


I have a lot more questions to ask, but these are the ones that my professors denied to answer.

Now, we need to define few things here. Both, Creation and Evolution are religions, but it's easier to believe that God created beautiful world and everything that's included. Now, if you want to believe that humans(including You) came from a rock, ape, neanderthal and etc, be my guest. Also some of you seriously need to get out to 'Nature' little bit, so you can see/explore how everything is designed.

Remember ONE thing in your mind, Our kids are being indoctrinated in our schools. One thing I want to mention, my professor would always say that humans are animals and there is no point in living, and etc... I could see some people in the class would take that seriously. These kind of things push young kids to commit suicide. I don't know what the suicide rate is, but it's increasing every second here in US. Where you think "Emo" came from? It's all devils plan to kill young teenagers. On the other hand, Jesus Son of God has a purpose for everyone. Also remember devil hates us, humans because we're an image of God.

By the way, Darwin himself said, evolution couldn't have happened. I don't know where exactly it's written in his book... I'll need some research on that.

DON'T READ BELOW. It gets more offensive.

Now, read this: Computer has evolved from Palm computer. Yes boys and girls it's been proven. They're are 97% identical and our fossil record prove that. NO, NO, NO... Computer hasn't been evolved from anything. It was designed and created. Computer design shows the patterns of creation. There is CPU(Processor), RAM, GPU etc... and they have their own functions. And its creators are outside of it. Creators are not dependent on what they create. Same thing with us(humans) we have organs which have specific functions and they show signs of creation.

Just open your minds little bit to be able to think critically, and don't just trust professor/teachers. You as an unique human being have your rights to explore facts. Professors are just doing their jobs. They're being paid for what they're doing.

BTW there is a great movie called "Expelled:No Intelligence Allowed."

Don't just trust them(Professors/Teachers). SEEK THE TRUTH.

PS:  Watch this video if you have the courage to do so...

http://www.thefirmament.org/

(Edited by xleo 6/3/2008 at 6:27 PM).
 


Posts: 6 | Posted: 6:18 PM on June 3, 2008 | IP
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Hey.

Apes?

How can humans be apes? I mean, don't bull **** me that I don't know evolution. I've been taught evolution(since Junior high) and all I heard from my *** head professor in Sac State is natural selection somehow did the trick. I mean where is the proof. Just telling me that we, humans came from apes is bull ****. And don't tell me, "Our fossil records" prove that we have evolved from apes. "Yes boys and girls, we have evolved from apes" funny!!! lol

The fossil record is pretty good, actually...

Science is NOT evolution. Evolution is an RELIGION. What does Science has to to with evolution???

everything?


If I can have a brave fellow to answer these questions???
Q1 CAN MATTER BE CREATED OR DESTROYED?
Q2 Where did all the laws of physics came from?

A1: Yes - it can be transformed into energy and back again.
A2: To describe the 'laws' of physics as 'laws' is somewhat naive. They describe how the universe acts, they don't tell the universe what to do. Regardless... no-one knows.

If you believe in evolution, you have to believe that there is no God
False

One thing I want to mention, my professor would always say that humans are animals and there is no point in living, and etc... I could see some people in the class would take that seriously. These kind of things push young kids to commit suicide. I don't know what the suicide rate is, but it's increasing every second here in US. Where you think "Emo" came from? It's all devils plan to kill young teenagers.

have another link

By the way, Darwin himself said, evolution couldn't have happened. I don't know where exactly it's written in his book... I'll need some research on that.

Again, false

Now, read this: Computer has evolved from Palm computer. Yes boys and girls it's been proven. They're are 97% identical and our fossil record prove that. NO, NO, NO... Computer hasn't been evolved from anything. It was designed and created. Computer design shows the patterns of creation. There is CPU(Processor), RAM, GPU etc... and they have their own functions. And its creators are outside of it. Creators are not dependent on what they create. Same thing with us(humans) we have organs which have specific functions and they show signs of creation.
Irrelevant

I'll state my Creationist Challenge. If any person can state an argument that I cannot counter with a single link to talkorigins, I will take that person seriously. Until then...


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BTW there is a great movie called "Expelled:No Intelligence Allowed."


Oh, yeah, that movie. The movie that says that the discovery of evolution was a necessary condition for the Holocaust. The same movie that expelled PZ Myers from watching because they didn't  want him to refute it.

The same movie that hasn't even broken even in a country where 150 million people believe in Creationism.


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How can humans be apes?

Humans are apes, that is how we are biologically defined.  Why do you say they are not?

I mean, don't bull **** me that I don't know evolution.

Well it's obvious that you don't know evolution...

I've been taught evolution(since Junior high) and all I heard from my *** head professor in Sac State is natural selection somehow did the trick.

What about mutation, sexual selection, genetic drift? If you didn't learn about these, you didn't get a very good education on evolution.

I mean where is the proof. Just telling me that we, humans came from apes is bull ****. And don't tell me, "Our fossil records" prove that we have evolved from apes. "Yes boys and girls, we have evolved from apes" funny!!! lol

Well, there is much more evidence for human evolution besides the fossil record, although that is pretty good and really isn't explained by any other theory.  As a matter of fact, there is so much evidence that humans and chmpanzees evolved from a common ancestor that it's a biological fact.  From here:
HumanEvolution

"The researchers said the results confirmed the common evolutionary origin of humans and chimpanzees. Out of the 3 billion base pairs in the DNA coding for chimps and humans, about 35 million show single-base differences, and another 5 million DNA sites are different because of insertions or deletions of genetic code. Waterston estimated that 1 million of those coding changes are responsible for the functional differences between humans and chimps — thus defining our humanness."

The genetic evidence is so overwhelming that it's a conditional fact, as sure as anything in science, that humans and chimpanzees evolved from a common ancestor.  Just what you asked for, irrefutable proof that humans and chimpanzees evovled from a common ancestor.  What's your response to this fact?

Science is NOT evolution.

Not all science is evolution, but evolution is most certainly science.  only a loon would claim otherwise....

Evolution is an RELIGION.

What?!?!  To be a religion, it would need to have faith in an all powerful, supernatural being and have to believe in a personal relationship with this all powerful supernatural being.  Sorry, evolution is demonstratably NOT a religion.  It's obvious that evolution is science, unless you can show us otherwise.

What does Science has to to with evolution???

The scientific method is used to investigate the fossil record, the genitic evidence, comparative anatomy, homologies, biogeography, in other words, the HUGE amount of evidence that supports the theory of evolution.  That's how science works.

Don't get me wrong, I love science.

It's obvious you don't understand science.

If you believe in evolution, you have to believe that there is no God

Then how come MOST christians worldwide accept evolution AND believe in god and Jesus?
That disproves your point right there.

you have to believe that you somehow evolved from a rock

This is another creationist lie, no you don't have to believe you evolved from a rock.

Actually, fossil record proves that there was a world wide flood. (Google it if you need more info on that.)

Another creationist lie, the fossil record actually shows that a world wide flood could never have occurred (ask any geologist).

If I can have a brave fellow to answer these questions???
Q1 CAN MATTER BE CREATED OR DESTROYED?
Q2 Where did all the laws of physics came from?


What's the matter, don't know how to do research?  Yes matter can be created and destroyed, it has been observed, it's a fact.
As to the laws of physics, where do you think they come from, and show us your evidence...

I'll just close this response by pointing out that you and your sources know absolutely nothing about evolution, biology and science.  And let's also point out that evolution is an observable fact and the theory of evolution explains it.  And let's also point out that 99.9% of the world's biologists accept it.
 


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The fossil record is pretty good, actually...


It actually proves that there was a world wide flood buddy.

everything?


It's the same thing I've been hearing since teachers began to indoctrinate our children in schools.

A1: Yes - it can be transformed into energy and back again.
A2: To describe the 'laws' of physics as 'laws' is somewhat naive. They describe how the universe acts, they don't tell the universe what to do. Regardless... no-one knows.


1.  You're a lier...  Matter can't be destroyed nor created.  I know it transforms or changes it's form.  I knew that buddy.  Most of us knew that since Junior High.

2.  I don't care how it act or whatever... I need answers buddy...  Where your sources buddy?


False


Don't give me sources on this...  Do you believe in God, Jesus, Holy Spirit???  I don't care what majority thinks.   Tell me, how do you determine right from wrong?   Evolution/Darwinism is totally opposite to what bible teaches.  

have another link

I don't think it works that way.  If you know that you're here just by a chance than why live???  Why should I suffer, work?  After all, we're going to die.  What should disabled people do in this case?  Should they just kill themselves?

#4  The theory of evolution most emphatically does not say that humans arose purely by chance.


Whoever wrote this, He/she doesn't believe in evolution.  They're just doing they're job...


Again, false


Yet reason tells me, that if numerous gradations from a perfect and complex eye to one very imperfect and simple, each grade being useful to its possessor


He thinks human eye is 'imperfect' and 'simple'.  Either he is stupid or ignorant.   Do some research on a human eye.

Irrelevant

I don't think it's irrelevant.  I think it's the same concept.

(Edited by xleo 6/5/2008 at 3:16 PM).
 


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Okay, Xleo, first order of business: Clean up your post. I haven't the slightest clue who or what you're responding to for the majority of your points.


It actually proves that there was a world wide flood buddy.


Wow! Experiments, evidence, and scientific method go out the window because, if Xleo says something is so, it must be true!

everything?


??? What is that supposed to mean?

It's the same thing I've been hearing since teachers began to indoctrinate our children in schools.


What is?

1.  You're a lier...  Matter can't be destroyed nor created.


Wrong.

2.  I don't care how it act or whatever... I need answers buddy...  Where your sources buddy?


Who is "buddy"? You don't care how what acts?

Don't give me sources on this...


Okay, so now, for some other unidentified point, you don't want sources.

Do you believe in God, Jesus, Holy Spirit???  I don't care what majority thinks.   Tell me, how do you determine right from wrong?   Evolution/Darwinism is totally opposite to what bible teaches.  


Belief in something supernatural doesn't have anything to do with right and wrong. Right and wrong don't exist. Even if God exists, that doesn't mean right and wrong exist. If God exists and God says something is right and something is wrong, then the idea of right and wrong is simply an arbitrary construct.

I don't need to believe in anything supernatural to have a moral compass, of course. Just because right and wrong are artificial concepts does not mean our society cannot impose rules on itself in order to help make everyone's lives easier and more enjoyable.

As for evolution, it says absolutely nothing about right and wrong. Evolution doesn't contract any kind of Biblical morality anymore than gravity.

I don't think it works that way.  If you know that you're here just by a chance than why live???


Um, because my brain is hardwired to keep living? My genetics are the product of 3.5 billion years of survival. Do you think an organism that easily disobeys the commands of its genes and commits suicide would be selected for in nature? There's a reason people have a hard time willing themselves to commit suicide, and it has nothing to do with religion.

After all, we're going to die.  What should disabled people do in this case?  Should they just kill themselves?


How does that follow from evolution whatsoever? Everyone wants to survive because their subconscious is telling them to survive. In case you're curious, it hurts to die. Try starving yourself and see how long you last before you grab a loaf of bread off the counter.

#4  The theory of evolution most emphatically does not say that humans arose purely by chance.


Whoever wrote this, He/she doesn't believe in evolution.  They're just doing they're job...


Again, false


I have no idea who said the above and what point you're trying to make. Clean up your post.





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Quote from xleo at 5:18 PM on June 3, 2008 :

If I can have a brave fellow to answer these questions???
Q1 CAN MATTER BE CREATED OR DESTROYED?


Happens all the time, particle accelerators can even make it visible to the naked eye.




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Pogge:” This is the volume of a sphere with a 62 kilometer (about 39 miles) radius, which is considerably smaller than the 2,000 mile radius of the Earth.”
Wikipedia:” For Earth, the mean radius is 6,371.009 km(≈3,958.761 mi; ≈3,440.069 nmi).”
Wisp to Lester (on Pogge): Do you admit he was wrong about the basics?
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The below is xleos post, cleaned up.
I think. He kinda forgot to put the / in the quote close tags.
Quote from xleo at 7:36 PM on June 4, 2008 :
The fossil record is pretty good, actually...


It actually proves that there was a world wide flood buddy.

everything?


It's the same thing I've been hearing since teachers began to indoctrinate our children in schools.

A1: Yes - it can be transformed into energy and back again.
A2: To describe the 'laws' of physics as 'laws' is somewhat naive. They describe how the universe acts, they don't tell the universe what to do. Regardless... no-one knows.


1.  You're a lier...  Matter can't be destroyed nor created.  I know it transforms or changes it's form.  I knew that buddy.  Most of us knew that since Junior High.

2.  I don't care how it act or whatever... I need answers buddy...  Where your sources buddy?


False


Don't give me sources on this...  Do you believe in God, Jesus, Holy Spirit???  I don't care what majority thinks.   Tell me, how do you determine right from wrong?   Evolution/Darwinism is totally opposite to what bible teaches.  

have another link

I don't think it works that way.  If you know that you're here just by a chance than why live???  Why should I suffer, work?  After all, we're going to die.  What should disabled people do in this case?  Should they just kill themselves?

#4  The theory of evolution most emphatically does not say that humans arose purely by chance.


Whoever wrote this, He/she doesn't believe in evolution.  They're just doing they're job...


Again, false


Yet reason tells me, that if numerous gradations from a perfect and complex eye to one very imperfect and simple, each grade being useful to its possessor


He thinks human eye is 'imperfect' and 'simple'.  Either he is stupid or ignorant.   Do some research on a human eye.

Irrelevant

I don't think it's irrelevant.  I think it's the same concept.



Pretty much all of the stuff he was responding to was me.


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3. ARCHAEOPTERYX
This bird is claimed to be the link between reptiles and birds. But it had perfectly formed feathers which are very complex in design. There can be over a million minute hooks on one feather. Nothing which is half way between a feather and a reptile's scale has ever been found. An animal with half developed wings could neither run nor fly properly and would be quickly eliminated. Finally, Archaeopteryx is irrelevant, as a fossil of a normal bird has been found in strata of same dating as Archeopteryx.

It is a bird/reptile just as tiktaalik is a fish/tetrapod.  Asking for intermediaries of specific traits like scales-feathers is just another example of moving the goalpost.  Also, what is the name of the fossil of a normal bird were you talking about?

6. RECAPITULATION THEORY
This is the theory that the development of a fertilised germ cell retraces the history of the species.(e.g. that gill 'slits' in the human embryo are relics of its fish ancestry). This theory, once hailed as the Biogenic LAW is now discredited even by evolutionists. However it is still implied in some books. Prof. Haeckel (a fiery supporter of Darwin) faked his drawings to support the theory but was convicted by a University court.

I'm not sure what your point is with this one.  To me it seems like proof of the ability of science to discard bad science.  

7. ORIGIN OF LIFE

This is abiogenesis, not evolution; they are two different theories.  Evolution only deals with the development of life, not it's origin.

8. PEPPERED MOTH
There are two varieties - the light and the dark. Elimination of the light variety is NOT evolution. They are still Peppered Moths. Kettlewell's experiments were specifically designed to get the results he wanted and were seriously flawed. Results contradicting his evolutionary views were ignored.

The experiment wasn't designed to show one species turning into another.  It does show the rapidity and adaptiveness of the change effected by natural selection.  And while there were critiques on the problems with Kettlewell's experiment, these critiques don't undermine the results of the experiment.

9. WHALES
Evolutionists are unable to explain how the whale, which is a mammal, went back into the sea without leaving any fossil evidence of intermediate forms.

That isn't true

10. DUCK BILLED PLATYPUS


A question for the evolutionist- what were its ancestors?]
It was a mammal that still had many reptilian characteristics.

11. RADIOMETRIC DATING

Like all dating methods, these machines have to be calibrated on something with a known age before they can be accurately used.  As far as the samples that give a wide range of dates, that usually only happens if the machine is not calibrated properly, the samples are taken from a volcanically active site, or they are composite rocks which will obviously give different readings depending on which part you scan.  If the machines are calibrated properly and are used correctly they give consistent, reliable information.
 


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Like all dating methods, these machines have to be calibrated on something with a known age before they can be accurately used.  As far as the samples that give a wide range of dates, that usually only happens if the machine is not calibrated properly, the samples are taken from a volcanically active site, or they are composite rocks which will obviously give different readings depending on which part you scan.  If the machines are calibrated properly and are used correctly they give consistent, reliable information.


Creationists like to take their pots-shots at the various methods used by scientists to date fossil samples.  Yet I have never seen one come forward and present a sample, that while being widely accepted by mainstream scientists as valid, was in fact incorrect or false.  

The fact remains that with all the checks and balances in place like peer review,  false radiometric dating  readings rarely make it to publication.  And on the off chance that one does,  it WON'T be a creationist who makes the discovery.
 


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Quote from The_Wizard at 1:34 PM on November 14, 2007 :
That's quite a bit of information... Please name your sources creationest6. So I can check your work. That's what good science is all about.


No need to: it starts right off with a completely bogus claim ...


(A) The oldest rocks (Pre-Cambrian) have been searched for many years but no undisputed fossils have been found.


Ridiculous from the get go.
 


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Quote from xleo at 10:36 AM on June 4, 2008 :He thinks human eye is 'imperfect' and 'simple'.  Either he is stupid or ignorant.   Do some research on a human eye.
You're both.

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Quote from iangb at 6:58 PM on June 3, 2008 :
Hey.

Apes?

How can humans be apes? I mean, don't bull **** me that I don't know evolution.

you clearly dont know evolution.  First of all, evolution does not say "humans evolved from apes" we shared a common ancestor.  VERY different.  There is more evidence than just the fossil record.  In fact, the difference between the human Genome and that of Chimps is about 1%. Which is a much smaller amount than the difference between Chimps and Orangutans(somewhere around 3-4% if i remember correctly)

are all the creationists on this forum so blatantly ignorant, or is someone going to have an argument worth thinking about?




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