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The following is info I pulled from a website a long time ago when I was debating whether God existed.  This has quite possibly been the greatest influence in me deciding that the God depicted in the Bible does not exist or at the very least we have to assume the Bible doesn't give the correct information about God.  Tell me what you all think about this if it hasn't already been covered before.


http://members.tripod.com/ColoradoWeb/failed_prophecies.htm


Some Bible prophecies that failed to occur

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Ezekiel predicted Babylon would conquer Egypt and was wrong.

Ezekiel predicts that Nebuchadrezzar of Babylon will conquer Egypt utterly destroying it, slaying and scattering it's people, and that it will stay uninhabited for 40 years.

In 568 BCE Nebuchadrezzar tried to conquer Egypt and Egypt survived with no apparent damage.

Aahmes ruled for another generation over a prosperous Egypt and lived to see Nebuchadrezzar die. No Egyptians were scattered or dispersed.

(Ezek 29:10 NRSV) therefore, I am against you, and against your channels, and I will make the land of Egypt an utter waste and desolation, from Migdol to Syene, as far as the border of Ethiopia.

(Ezek 29:11 NRSV) No human foot shall pass through it, and no animal foot shall pass through it; it shall be uninhabited forty years.

(Ezek 29:12 NRSV) I will make the land of Egypt a desolation among desolated countries; and her cities shall be a desolation forty years among cities that are laid waste. I will scatter the Egyptians among the nations, and disperse them among the countries.

(Ezek 30:10 NRSV) Thus says the Lord GOD: I will put an end to the hordes of Egypt, by the hand of King Nebuchadrezzar of Babylon.

(Ezek 30:11 NRSV) He and his people with him, the most terrible of the nations, shall be brought in to destroy the land; and they shall draw their swords against Egypt, and fill the land with the slain.



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Ezekiel predicts the destruction of Tyre (Tyrus) by Nebuchadrezzar and is wrong again.

Ezekiel incorrectly predicts that the island of Tyre (Tyrus) will be utterly destroyed and "made a bare rock" which will "never be rebuilt".

At the time of the prediction, it seemed like to be a sure thing, but 13 years of seige later Nebuchadrezzar gives up. The Island of Tyre is not destroyed or even conquered. It is not made "a bare rock" that will "never be rebuilt".

Ezekiel admits his error in Ezek 29:17

(Here the conquest of Trye looks like a sure thing so Ezekiel makes his prediction)

(Ezek 26:1 NRSV) In the eleventh year, on the first day of the month, the word of the LORD came to me:

(Ezek 26:7 NRSV) For thus says the Lord GOD: I will bring against Tyre from the north King Nebuchadrezzar of Babylon, king of kings, together with horses, chariots, cavalry, and a great and powerful army.

(Ezek 26:14 NRSV) I will make you a bare rock; you shall be a place for spreading nets. You shall never again be rebuilt, for I the LORD have spoken, says the Lord GOD.

(Ezek 27:32 NRSV) In their wailing they raise a lamentation for you, and lament over you: "Who was ever destroyed like Tyre in the midst of the sea?

(13 years of futile effort by Nebuchadrezzar later...)

(Ezek 29:17 NRSV) In the twenty-seventh year, in the first month, on the first day of the month, the word of the LORD came to me:

(Here Ezekiel admits he was wrong)

(Ezek 29:18 NRSV) Mortal, King Nebuchadrezzar of Babylon made his army labor hard against Tyre; every head was made bald and every shoulder was rubbed bare; yet neither he nor his army got anything from Tyre to pay for the labor that he had expended against it.

(So he then predicts that God decides to give Egypt to him instead, another Ezekiel prophecy that completely failed)



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Micah predicts the destruction of Jerusalem (which at the time was about to be invaded by Sennacherib and seemed inevitable) blaming the destruction on the corruption of the priesthood of Judah.

Jerusalem was sieged, but the destruction didn't happen.

A century later Jeremiah quotes Micah and tries to excuse the failed prophecy by saying that "the Lord changed his mind" about that destruction.

(Micah 3:12 NRSV) Therefore because of you Zion shall be plowed as a field; Jerusalem shall become a heap of ruins, and the mountain of the house a wooded height.

(~100 years and no destruction later...)

(Jer 26:18 NRSV) "Micah of Moresheth, who prophesied during the days of King Hezekiah of Judah, said to all the people of Judah: 'Thus says the LORD of hosts, Zion shall be plowed as a field; Jerusalem shall become a heap of ruins, and the mountain of the house a wooded height.'

(Jer 26:19 NRSV) Did King Hezekiah of Judah and all Judah actually put him to death? Did he not fear the LORD and entreat the favor of the LORD, and did not the LORD change his mind about the disaster that he had pronounced against them? ...



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The prophet Daniel incorrectly states that in the third year of the reign of King Jehoiakim, Nebuchadnezzar is king and that he conquers Judah.

The third year of Jehoiakim's reign was 606 BCE, at which time Nebuchadnezzar was not yet king of Babylon. It was in 597 BCE that Nebuchadnezzar takes Jerusalem, by then Jehoiakim had died.

(Dan 1:1 NRSV) In the third year of the reign of King Jehoiakim of Judah, King Nebuchadnezzar of Babylon came to Jerusalem and besieged it.

(Dan 1:2 NRSV) The Lord let King Jehoiakim of Judah fall into his power, as well as some of the vessels of the house of God. These he brought to the land of Shinar, and placed the vessels in the treasury of his gods.


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Jeremiah incorrectly predicts 70 years for the Babylonian exiles but they only lasted 59 years.

The 1rst exile started in 597 BCE when Nebuchadnezzar first takes Jerusalem and appoints Zedekiah king (Judah's last king). Nebuchadnezzar has temple equipment taken away.

The start of the 2nd exile was in 586 BCE when Nebuchadnezzar takes Jerusalem a second time putting down a rebellion and destroys the temple.

The end comes in 538 BCE when Cyrus takes Babylon and ends the Babylonian kingdom. Jews are then allowed to return to Judah.

(Jer 29:10 NRSV) For thus says the LORD: Only when Babylon's seventy years are completed will I visit you, and I will fulfill to you my promise and bring you back to this place
 


Posts: 11 | Posted: 6:08 PM on June 23, 2003 | IP
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Just for fun I went back to that site I mentioned above for the first time in probably a year.

I followed a link to another site that pointed out a lot of biblical contradictions.  Of course everyone knows the Bible contradicts itself repeatedly and seemingly without care.  But this site puts it in a very comical format as well as educational ;)

http://www.infidels.org/library/modern/donald_morgan/inconsistencies.shtml

Examples:

GE 6:4 There were Nephilim (giants) before the Flood.
GE 7:21 All creatures other than Noah and his clan were annihilated by the Flood.
NU 13:33 There were Nephilim after the Flood.

GE 6:6. EX 32:14, NU 14:20, 1SA 15:35, 2SA 24:16 God does change his mind.
NU 23:19-20, IS 15:29, JA 1:17 God does not change his mind.

GE 11:26 Terah was 70 years old when his son Abram was born.
GE 11:32 Terah was 205 years old when he died (making Abram 135 at the time).
GE 12:4, AC 7:4 Abram was 75 when he left Haran. This was after Terah died. Thus, Terah could have been no more than 145 when he died; or Abram was only 75 years old after he had lived 135 years.

GE 10:5, 20, 31 There were many languages before the Tower of Babel.
GE 11:1 There was only one language before the Tower of Babel.

EX 9:3-6 God destroys all the cattle (including horses) belonging to the Egyptians.
EX 9:9-11 The people and the cattle are afflicted with boils.
EX 12:12, 29 All the first-born of the cattle of the Egyptians are destroyed.
EX 14:9 After having all their cattle destroyed, then afflicted with boils, and then their first-born cattle destroyed, the Egyptians pursue Moses on horseback.
 


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Out of further curiosity I went on to look at more interesting writting.  Biblical absurdities...

http://www.infidels.org/library/modern/donald_morgan/absurd.shtml

1KI 6:2, 2CH 3:3 Solomon's temple was only about ninety feet long by thirty feet wide, yet:
 1KI 5:15-16 153,300 persons were employed to build it.
 1KI 6:38 It took seven years to build.
 1CH 22:14 13,100,000 lbs. of gold and 116,400,000 lbs. of silver were used.
 1CH 23:4 24,000 supervisors and 6,000 officials and judges were employed to manage it.

1SA 2:8, JB 38:4, PS 104:5 The earth has a foundation and cannot be moved.
JB 9:6 (KJV) God shakes the earth out of its place and makes its pillars tremble.

2CH 13:17 500,000 Israelites are slain in a single battle. (Note: This is more than were lost in any single battle of World War II, and even exceeds the number of deaths that resulted from the dropping of the atomic bombs on Nagasaki and Hiroshima. At Gettysburg, the greatest battle of the Civil War, the defeated army lost 5,000 men.)

PS 58:8 Slugs and/or snails melt as they move.

PS 121:6 It is apparently possible to suffer moonstroke as well as sunstroke.

IS 11:12, RE 7:1 The earth has four corners.

IS 24:1 (KJV) The earth can be turned upside down so as to scatter its inhabitants.

IS 30:26 The moon will someday be as bright as the sun now is. (Note: Until relatively recent times, the moon and the planets were thought to give off their own light.)

MT 7:7-8, LK 11:9-10 Ask and it will be given. Seek and you will find. Everyone who asks, receives.
MT 18:19 If two [believers] agree about anything they ask, God will do it for them.

RE 14:1-4 Heaven is to be inhabited in part by 144,000 virgin men who have not been "defiled" by women.
(Guess that means that not many children make it to heaven)
 


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Yes, the Bible is a little confused, but that's what 2000 years of human influence will do. The Principia Discordia however, has it all right. ;)


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ok....well last time i checked, we werent around in bible times, and there could have been different measurements of time than there are now, and the giants could have been taken on the ark with noah, you cant prove or disprove that they werent, no one can really prove or disprove anything in the bible because they werent there. [color=blue]
 


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I didn't check all of the examples given or checked with the websites yet. But I did look up Exodus examples with the cattle.
There are some mis-readings or maybe just mis-understandings, with that part at least. The horses, camels, cattle etc and all of them where afflicted with disease. the next step is the catle of egypt died.
Then next references say beast (not cattle) and cattle are not horses.
I can't comment on any of the other aspects yet as I have not checked them. But at this point it is seems kind of pointless as the originates seem to have carefully used different words to change the intent. Which I am sure we can make the Bible say what ever  you want if you pick and choose which words to put together.

I am a believer and I am willing to look at such arguments, not to convince you I am right but to build my understanding. Many of these debates are exceptionally pointless as those that do not belive in the Spirit find if Foolish. No matter how great my Spirital logic is one that does not belive will always consider me a fool. How can I debate with somebody that considers me a fool. It is an impossible challenge.

I don't think I have earned any flames from this post, I took the topic with an open heart.  But seeing just a small example of mis qoute from the original author of the "findings" makes it hard for me to take the rest serious. Just as many people that look at the "findings" will have a hard time taking the Bible Serious.


 


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You pointed out the thing with Egypt and if you found one thing like this that suddenly made God unexistant that I feel just a little bad for you. You should maybe try looking into the many many things writen in the Bible that did come true.
Giants- the thing about the Giants means nothing. none live today but you know who do? Little people! Regular sized people could and do sometime give birth to "little people" so why not "big people?" You should look up Robert Wadlow a man in the last century that stood at 8'11 and his parrents were not "Giant" but regualer people. I think that it was more common in those days and not today.
 


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Oh sorry I just realized something. I wrote the part above with the Giants in the Bible. The part that says GE 6:4 "There were Nephilim (giants) before the Flood" means that all people were Giants. I am sure that they seemed normal to each other but when we find there bones today (which we do!) standing between 9 and 15 feet they are huge. But things before the flood were much different and most all the creatures were much larger. We have found fossils of dragonflies with 3ft wingspands. I hope that I helped clear that up.
 


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I am sure that they seemed normal to each other but when we find there bones today (which we do!) standing between 9 and 15 feet they are huge.


I would like to see a reference for this.  I think it's just another made-up story.
 


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There are no documented prophesies of the Bible that you can consider failed until you are able to be accompanied by the Spirit of the Lord for complete assurance of all matters (you can be accompanied by His precious spirit, in fact He desires it for you). When you see the accuracy of prophies that were fulfilled, you can certianly see the powerful and precise Hand of God among them. Note for example the Prophesy of the literal temple's destination spoken of by Jesus in Matthew 24, astounding, and profound. God has even decared what we are seeing taking place now, "the time will come when people who kill you will think they are doing God a favor" Jesus said, talking to His followers. Just a teacher, no, He saw exactly what we see towards God's people of covanant. Clearly we need to return to the Lord.


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There are no documented prophesies of the Bible that you can consider failed until you are able to be accompanied by the Spirit of the Lord for complete assurance of all matters (you can be accompanied by His precious spirit, in fact He desires it for you).


Thank you, apparently I am in fact "accompanied by the Spirit of the Lord", since I see many examples of unfulfilled prophecies.  Nebuchanezzer for instance never laid waste to Egypt and emptied it for 40 years.


Pr 4:7  Wisdom is the principal thing; therefore get wisdom: and with all thy getting get understanding.
 


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I dont see how you could ever think that you were "accompanied by the spirit of the Lord" if you have been contradicting everything he said.  Why do you keep sticking to that one Egypt thing anyways? Why dont you look at how many were proved right? For only 8 of the messianic prophicies to be fufilled in one man would be the equivilent of asking someone to complitly cover the state of texas with silver dollars(coins)3 feet deep, then paint one red and hide it, blindfold a different man and tell him to go and pick the red one up on the first try.


That illustration was approved by a national scientific association.  

And that one man in whom way more than eight were fufilled in just happened to proclaim himself Lord an Savior.


 


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