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Apes are one of our more recent ancestors.  If you dont like that idea, this one should really annoy you.

Previous to the ape, it seems very likely that vertebrates in general devolped from what i think is very good at describing humans today.

Childish.  (as shown definitly by this post ;)

It appears that the most likely thing we came from is the larval form of a sea squirt.  So in effect we are just highly developed larvae, who knows perhaps one day one of us may turn into a beautiful sessile, generally useless, sea squirt...and the world shall indeed become a better place.

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Posts: 0 | Posted: 12:46 PM on June 24, 2003 | IP
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If we EVOLVED from these sea squirts, how did the first new creature reproduce? Did it have a mate? Did it bud? If humans came from monkeys/apes, then why don't apes still have humans?  How did the first human survive, knowing what we know about human reproduction? What about the fact that monkeys and humasn cannot mates and produce offspring?
 


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The first new creature? There's no such thing. The first life reproduced asexually - basically by dividing cells, After that, it was all just a matter of degree.

Humans did not come from monkeys or apes. Rather, humans and apes have a common ancestor, that no longer exists. There is absoultely no reason why apes should evolve into humans - there are different environmental pressures and adaptive needs between the two species and their locations. As such, it would be extremely remarkable if they did evolve into us at this late stage. This also presupposes that humans are some sort of superior evolutionary specimen than apes. Evolution is not a progression - it is a change in response to environmental factors.

The "first human" is another erroneous concept. Humans evolved gradually from other animals.

Monkeys and humans cannot produce offspring precisely because humans split off from the common ancestor a long, long time ago.

Hope this helps.
 


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I have a couple of questions related to this topic.  Okay, according to science, things naturally become more disorganized throughout time. (I can't remember the name of the law) This is a scientific law that states that, so if this is true, then how can organisms become more complex throughout the ages?  Wouldn't it be more reasonable that things actually go downhill over time?
 


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I have a couple of questions related to this topic.  Okay, according to science, things naturally become more disorganized throughout time. (I can't remember the name of the law)


Perhaps you're thinking of the Second Law of Thermodynamics.   It's really about heat.   It says that entropy will increase in a closed system, until there is no useful heat left.

Sometimes, people want to equate entropy with disorder.   It's not quite like that, and because the Earth is an open system, even with that definition, the Second Law does not rule out decreases in entropy.

This is a scientific law that states that, so if this is true, then how can organisms become more complex throughout the ages?


Indeed.  How can trees grow from seeds, or babies develop from embryos?

It's because the second law does not rule out such things.  Increasing complexity is often seen in open systems.

Wouldn't it be more reasonable that things actually go downhill over time?


No, it's not.  Some things do.  Others don't.

 


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First what was there in the beginning if there was nothing that could have started the big bang. And another question what is your stance on morals without a God can there be any morals or are there any morals? What is your opinion?
 


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Quote from Guest at 8:34 PM on October 14, 2003 :
First what was there in the beginning if there was nothing that could have started the big bang. And another question what is your stance on morals without a God can there be any morals or are there any morals? What is your opinion?


Does there have to be anything before the big bang?

No.

If you are going to say that God is eternal, then why can't you say that the universe is eternal-constantly going through a big-bang, big-crunch scenario?  In addition, I think Hawkings is dealing with this issue with his wave function theory.

Morals are a human constructions, that's why there aren't any absolute morals.  In addition, if you say God created morals, then morals are arbitrary and subject to the whims of God.  

 


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It has been proven that we all have a dna that belongs to you and only  you.  You can go
to NOVA on line and they get into it  in detail.
We do not belong to ''EVE' or any of that line
we are true humans and no other ancestores
There is a creator (God) like it or not.  God
Bless You !!JoJo


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It has been proven that we all have a dna that belongs to you and only  you.  


It has been proven that we have a combination of the DNA of our parents plus an average of 4 mutations.  The vast amount of genetic material does indeed make each of us unique.


You can go to NOVA on line and they get into it  in detail.


I haven't checked, but I'll assume you would learn what I just related to you.

We do not belong to ''EVE' or any of that line we are true humans and no other ancestores


How did you arrive at that conclusion?  Certainly not by the evidence you just posted.


There is a creator (God) like it or not.  


Indeed there is, you are just refusing to understand how he created you.

God Bless You !!JoJo


And God bless you too.
 


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It has been proven that we all have a dna that belongs to you and only  you.  You can go
to NOVA on line and they get into it  in detail.
We do not belong to ''EVE' or any of that line


JoJo, is this the NOVA information you are referring to?

NOVA mtDNA page

Are you sure it says what you think it says?

 


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