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OK - two can play this game.  Who out there is an atheist?  And why?

I'll be the first to add my name to this list.  As for why I am an atheist - because I feel that there is no real evidence that God exists.  The concept of God is a left over relic from our past.  People had no explanation for why things happened in the world, or in their lives.  So they attributed the unknown to acts of God.  Myths were created to explain the world around us.

With increasing knowledge of the world and universe around us, a lot of these old mysteries have been solved.  Relilgious myths do not stand up to the foundation of reason.

 


Posts: 1460 | Posted: 3:40 PM on October 15, 2007 | IP
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If there is no higher being, than why should we follow laws?


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Posts: 681 | Posted: 10:06 PM on October 15, 2007 | IP
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Let me throw your own question back at you - why do you think we should follow laws?
 


Posts: 1460 | Posted: 12:13 AM on October 16, 2007 | IP
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Everyone, including theists, follow laws for fear of punishment. There need not be any universal right or wrong -- it all comes back to the consequences of your actions.


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If there is no higher being, than why should we follow laws?

We don't need laws forced on us, we don't need god to threaten to punish us, we can live good lives on our own, we can make our own laws.  I don't need the threat of eternal punishment to force me to do good, I do it on my own.
 


Posts: 1664 | Posted: 11:28 PM on October 17, 2007 | IP
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Let me help out Silver here. You think we should follow laws because...WAIT WAIT WAIT! Laws? I'm not so sure we should follow LAWS, laws are man made  but anyway. Someone has to make rules am I right? Unless you are an anarchist, which is a whole new discussion, You agree. The rules should be what is the best for the whole species(very bad word) right? I think it would be best if everyone gave me everything. So lets do that!!! Ok maybe not, so (wow I typed this like 1 min ago! you guys trying to give me carpol tunnel?) What if everyone not on the Americas thought everyone on the Americas was stupid and should die? oops we all go bye bye!
 


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Let me help out Silver here. You think we should follow laws because...WAIT WAIT WAIT! Laws? I'm not so sure we should follow LAWS, laws are man made  but anyway. Someone has to make rules am I right? Unless you are an anarchist, which is a whole new discussion, You agree. The rules should be what is the best for the whole species(very bad word) right? I think it would be best if everyone gave me everything. So lets do that!!! Ok maybe not, so (wow I typed this like 1 min ago! you guys trying to give me carpol tunnel?) What if everyone not on the Americas thought everyone on the Americas was stupid and should die? oops we all go bye bye!


Your posts hardly warrant a response, they are that cheesy and poorly-written. I'm being generous by explaining what your average middle schooler should be able to grasp in 30 seconds:

Our brains, cultures, societies, and laws have all advanced to a point where we are able to develop our own morals through common sense. Human beings recognize that if they allow themselves to rape, steal from, and murder each other, that their own lives will be in jeopardy. Human beings recognize that it is in everyone's interest to work together and not harm anybody without reason. When you harm someone else, you are punished in order to deter others from making the same mistake, which ultimately keeps society together and prospering.


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The rules should be what is the best for the whole species(very bad word) right?

Well, rules (laws) evolved.  We see other animals have their own moral code.  And  our cooperation with each other is one of the traits that has allowed us to be so successful.

I think it would be best if everyone gave me everything.

What you want or think is best doesn't have any bearing on the survival of the human species, so no one cares what you think is best.

What if everyone not on the Americas thought everyone on the Americas was stupid and should die? oops we all go bye bye!

Kind of like the Germans thought in WW2?  OOOPS, we didn't go bye then, did we?
 


Posts: 1664 | Posted: 01:36 AM on December 21, 2007 | IP
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I'm an atheist, and I've been one since I was maybe 7 or 8 years old. I've always been very analytical, and the very first thing I started to question, was the question of god, miracles etc. I just thought it didn't make sence, I still don't, and I also thought the fact that the only "proof" of a god is the bible, which is supposed to be written by the very god it proves, was somewhat odd.
 


Posts: 2 | Posted: 2:59 PM on March 19, 2008 | IP
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Even though I am an atheist, that doesn't mean that just because someone believes in evolution that they are an atheist too.

As mentioned elsewhere, there are plenty of people who are theists, including many, many Christians, and who still accept evolution.  

So it would be a mistake to equate a belief in evolution as also being atheist.  That is simply not true.
 


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There is quite a substantial line that can be drawn between the idea that Laws must be in place out of fear of judgement, and the idea that Laws are formed on the basis of morality.  Unfortunately, most people will fall into a trap with this arguement, in that, morality is learned.  Where do we learn our morals from? Our environment, specifically, family and friends.  The question then becomes, where did they learn morals from?

The question continues in a cycle until we assume one of two things; 1) Morality is based upon fear of God's judgement, which has been passed down since the beginning of religious belief. 2) Morality is a self-learned concept that one is born with but is influenced heavily depending on their upbringing.

Concept 1 seems more likely until you realize that, religion has not been a firm belief for as long as man has walked the earth (assuming an evolutionist perspective).  So where did morality come from before that? This is where concept 2 becomes more likely because concept 1 is null.  


 


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Quote from orion at 3:40 PM on October 15, 2007 :
OK - two can play this game.  Who out there is an atheist?  And why?


I am.   Now.

I won't reinvent the wheel, but instead will use the short description of "why" I have on my YouTube profile.

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My views have evolved as I became more educated in science.

1. YEC
I started off on the Internet (1995ish) as a Young Earth Creationist: at the time, I was a member of a Fundamentalist Baptist church.

2. Old Earth Creationist
As I learned some general facts of science, I quickly realized that I had to abandon the foolishness of a young earth; but I was still a hardcore anti-evolutionist.

3. Intelligent Design proponent
Having read for myself, and otherwise being shown, a lot of valid, objective evidences supporting evolution, I came to accept a lot of it, but still not all of it. My views were no longer compatible with a religious fundamentalist, and my religiosity had diminished considerably.

4. Evolutionist
The more I studied evolution the more I realized how solid it is, and I eventually came to the realization that evolution is in fact overwhelmingly supported by science.

5. Atheist
Once I no longer saw a need for a God, I re-read the Bible, starting at page 1. I could not believe that I used to believe what's in it! Parts of the Bible are scientifically refuted, others are ridiculous, or immoral, or internally inconsistent. I came to realize just what the Bible actually is: ancient mythology written by scientifically ignorant and vastly superstitious people.
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Quote from ImaAtheistNow at 05:43 AM on October 5, 2008 :

1. YEC
I started off on the Internet (1995ish) as a Young Earth Creationist: at the time, I was a member of a Fundamentalist Baptist church.


There are a lot like you around, did you hang out on fora like this back then?

I was drug into this mess by geocentrists who took over a kid's astronomy board where I was helping to answer questions.

For the purposes of the OP, I am not an atheist.




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Quote from Apoapsis at 11:02 AM on October 5, 2008 :
There are a lot like you around, did you hang out on fora like this back then?


The main forum I remember originally posting at is no longer on the Internet.

But a major factor in changing my views on evolution did come from debating it on the Internet.  I found that it was the evolutionists who had the best supported, objective, valid facts.

 


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I'm an Atheist, have been for all my life.  Mainly because the Bible was written 2000 years ago in order to help explain how, and why things work.  2000 years ago, we didn't have any science, and most of our knowledge was based on speculation.  The most reasonable explanation for things WAS(for those of you that don't speak English, notice the past tense) a higher power of some sort.  Christians put together a fairly good argument and became a leading religion.  In present time we have the beauty of science, we can explain things using math and chemistry etc.  We no longer NEED to rationalize the unknown with any sort of god figure.  It saddens me to see so many people still stuck clinging to something written so long ago, when a much more rational explanation is readily available.

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2k years ago? You mean the Gospel?

Anyway that's not a good reason to be an atheist. There are many gods to chose from. You just disregarded one of them.



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yes, i was referring to Christianity, mainly because that has been the religion that over and over again refuses to accept truth and bravely clings to out-dated beliefs.  The same philosophy applies to all other religions though.  I have yet to come across any religion that provides any real evidence for its claims.


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Taoism makes no claims, i think. None that has anything to do with historical facts anyway. It's quite cool.

Buddhism is similar. One exercise imposed on aspirant monks is to consider the possibility that Buddha didn't actually exist (which i think is very cool).

But then none of these religions have a god... But taoism has the tao. Taoists don't even "believe" in it, or wonder if it "exists" or not. As cool as it gets!

Hinduism has many gods, but they are ultimately different aspects of Brahma.

Hinduism is, in fact, more monotheist than christianism (with all the angels, cherubs, saints, the father, the son, the holy spirit, the virgin mother, the apostles and the rest of the crew).

Brahma is too big to be worshiped thoroughly, so they worship aspects or emanations of Him. It makes a lot of sense to me.

To me all historical religions are preposterous.

To answer to this thread, i'm not an atheist. But i don't "believe" in God. BUT i'm definitely not an agnostic.

My position is that intelligence or consciousness is manifested through matter in this world, but are not of a material nature.

Just as, say, triangularity.

Everyone believes in consciousness, and intelligence. And a higher intelligence is easily conceivable.

And the sum of all possible intelligence, consciousness or understanding, is a concept. And the question of whether it exists or not is pointless. That question has no real meaning.

I have chosen to call it "God" in the past, but it gets mistaken for the biblical Yahweh.

How can i conceive something of a great intelligence?

We can picture a triangle in our minds in an instant.

Think of the imaginary line that represents the path that a person has traveled in all his life.

Now think of a being so vast that can picture that figure in an instant, and can classify it, and give it a name.

Now think of a being so vast that can imagine and picture in his mind every aspect of the first being.

An infinite being cannot fit into this finite Universe. And that's the precise definition of "existing": to manifest itself in this universe.

So God does not exist.

If we define "existing" as having SOME manifestation in this universe, then God does exist.

Just a matter of semantics to me. And the Truth is not concerned with semantics.



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