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Neither of them should be taught in public schools.  They both are opinions, and therefore, contradict someone elses opinion.


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Posts: 68 | Posted: 05:02 AM on March 9, 2008 | IP
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Evolution is based on facts, not opinions.  Creationism is based on faith.  

Evolution is founded using the scientific method - a proven powerful tool.  Creationism is founded solely on the Bible, a less than accurate account of the history of the world.


 


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Yes, evolution is not an opinion, it's a fact which is best explained by the theory of evolution, one of the best supported theories in science.  You DO know what a scientific theory is, don't you?
 


Posts: 1664 | Posted: 04:16 AM on March 11, 2008 | IP
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I should start posting this every time somebody decides to call evolution an Opinion, not fact, etc...

In science a theory is a tested model for explaining phenomena, such as gravity, electromagnetic energy, and yes EVOLUTION.  Theories come form hypotheses that have been tested to the best of sciences abilities.  

If you want a proof, go look in a stack of rock in Arizona.  Although, if all you want to do is believe that god created the earth, believe it.  But, don't shove it down my THROAT!
 


Posts: 15 | Posted: 6:39 PM on March 14, 2008 | IP
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Theories of evolution are proven to the extent that proof can be reasonably demonstrated.

Creation can be reflected on at best as the collective memory of observation, and the culmination of effort to resolve comparison and contrast of moments, for to find the universal change, or unifying characteristic of all 'things' observed in all remembered moments.

Creation and evolution are ideas, and both are subject to eventual obsolescence; every artifact of consciousness, including the 'ideal human' eventually fails.  


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Posts: 163 | Posted: 9:00 PM on March 14, 2008 | IP
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But it's still just a theroy.  And if they don't want to hear it, don't force them to.


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Posts: 68 | Posted: 10:52 PM on March 15, 2008 | IP
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Quote from Ethmi at 10:52 PM on March 15, 2008 :
But it's still just a theroy.


That's the point. Theories are very substantial and should always be taught in science. Creation and Intelligent Design don't qualify as theories, not only because they're false but because they have no evidence backing them up.

And if they don't want to hear it, don't force them to.


No. I will not tolerate students growing up to be doctors, scientists, and surgeons without understanding how the world works.







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But it's still just a theroy.  And if they don't want to hear it, don't force them to.

The earth orbitting the sun is still just a "theory", guess we shouldn't teach that, should we...
Germs causing disease, still just a theory, take that off the educational table too.
Gravity, a theory that isn't as well understood as the theory of evolution, so we can't teach that either.
Electricity?  Bah, it's just a theory, it's not worth knowing, according to you...
Atoms make up matter, no good there, it's just a theory.  
Hey, what would YOU teach in science classes if you get rid of all the theories????
 


Posts: 1664 | Posted: 9:12 PM on March 16, 2008 | IP
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'It's only a theory.'

Unfortunately the word theory is used in a different manner in everyday life by the layperson than by how it is used in science.

In looses use by a layperson, a theory is often construed as merely a guess at something, or perhaps a wild idea.  Oh, there was a funny object in the sky.  My theory is that it must be a UFO - ET from another planet.

In science a theory is supported by much evidence, it can make successful predictions, and successfully explain things.  Scientists are constantly testing scientific theories, and actually try to find weaknesses, or faults, in them.  So far the theory of evolution has withstood 150 years of testing, and has successfully explained life on planet earth.  The theory may be tweaked and refined over time as we gain more knowledge and understanding, but that life has evolved over the ages is accepted as a plain FACT in the science community.

Evolution is only disputed by those people who find it an inconvenient truth to their religious beliefs.  So these people deny it.  But they may as well deny that the sky is blue, or the earth revolves around the sun.
 


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Evolution is not the truth. Creation is not the truth; both are ideas, however reasoned, neither will be proven, and will never be real in the present.

The theory of evolution is rooted in the process of reasoning one observation in comparison and contrast with another. The eventual rule derived from memorized-order (facts of circumstance) is assumed to govern the supposed transitional process of life between moments of observed living-status, and is considered theoretical because the endeavor of proof cannot end.

As long as there is an endeavor to prove, there is the supposed inevitability of proof.




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Posts: 163 | Posted: 7:41 PM on March 17, 2008 | IP
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Religious people don't want to hear it.  You are teaching them something that contradicts their religious beliefs.  And what the hell does Darwin have to base it on that I'm a decendant of a freaking monkey?  "Oh, well, I saw the same species of birds with different beaks."  Big deal!  Every human has a different face, so what?  How come we don't see people turning into weird species today?  We don't need to teach either.  Aethiests don't want to hear creationism, and Christians, Muslims, Jews, Hindus, etc. don't want to hear about evolution.  

(Edited by Ethmi 3/17/2008 at 7:49 PM).


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Posts: 68 | Posted: 7:48 PM on March 17, 2008 | IP
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Religious people don't want to hear it.

But the majority of Christians accept evolution, as do many other religious denominations.  Evolution does not equal atheism.  

You are teaching them something that contradicts their religious beliefs.

Evoltuion does not contradict christianity, only the lunatic fringe of creationism that believes the bible is inerrant.

And what the hell does Darwin have to base it on that I'm a decendant of a freaking monkey?

It's not Darwin you have to worry about, it's all of modern biology.  That we share a common ancestor with chimpanzees is a fact.

How come we don't see people turning into weird species today?

Because that's not how evolution works.  It looks like you don't understand the theory of evolution.

We don't need to teach either.

If you want to have an informed, intelligent population, you must teach evolution.  If you want the USA to continue to be current with modern scientific knowledge, you must teach evolution.  If you want our counties biologists to continue to make breakthroughes in genetics, medicine, industry, you must teach evolution.

Aethiests don't want to hear creationism, and Christians, Muslims, Jews, Hindus, etc. don't want to hear about evolution.

It's not just atheists, it's rational christians, Muslims, Jews, Hindus, etc. who don't believe in creationism since it contradicts reality.
 


Posts: 1664 | Posted: 8:43 PM on March 17, 2008 | IP
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Ethmi,
Geesh...  Just because they don't want to hear doesn't mean they shouldn't.  They don't have to listen... but grades may suffer.  Science is rooted in fact.  Remember a theory is FACT, not an opinion, FACT.  

On that same note, you may not have liked green beans, but your mom made you eat them anyways.   Religion is mythology and the wonderful people who think that Intellegent Design is anything more than a fairy-tale for weak minded fools, ought remember that Okham's razor teaches us that the simplest explanation is often the most true.  

God is complex.  Choice is simple.

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Demon38 - Don't try to placate religion.  It is an evil beast, feed it with understanding and acceptance, it grows.  

I say this not to be funny.  Remember, when we let those who are religious become zealots, we all pay the price; beit the crusades, the inquisition, the jihad....

Don't placate them with nicities.
 


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Demon38 - Don't try to placate religion.  It is an evil beast, feed it with understanding and acceptance, it grows.

brutus2001x, I don't know how to respond...
I agree with you to an extent.  But a flame war won't accomplish anything.  This is a debate board, so I'll respond with reason and facts.
Yes, I know that sounds funny coming from me, but I'm trying to be civil...
 


Posts: 1664 | Posted: 8:52 PM on March 17, 2008 | IP
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I understand.  I just take exception to the placation of religion.  Where does it say that religious freedom and belief must be protected above all?  Is religion more valuable than speech or press?  Property or liberty?  Do you see where I am coming from?
 


Posts: 15 | Posted: 8:55 PM on March 17, 2008 | IP
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If you want to have an informed, intelligent population, you must teach evolution.  If you want the USA to continue to be current with modern scientific knowledge, you must teach evolution.  If you want our counties biologists to continue to make breakthroughes in genetics, medicine, industry, you must teach evolution.

Oh, really?



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Posts: 68 | Posted: 9:00 PM on March 17, 2008 | IP
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That is absolutely, positively correct.  We must teach evolution, much as we teach gravity, thermodynamics, electricity, atom theory and the rest.  Science doesn't teach a doctrine, a teaches a skill.  That skill is questioning and logic.  

What you were supposed to gather from your science classes in school, from kindegarten through college, is that we must question and examine that which we observe.  

A good science teacher doesn't grade the result of a lab experiment, he grades the process.  The result was inconsequential, rather explain WHY your result occurred.

Evolution teaches examination, observation and logic on a grander and larger scale.  We can test some forms of evolution in a lab setting.  Take a box full of bees and pump it full of insecticide.  Record the number that lived and the number that died.   The bees that live, let them reproduce.  Test again, record the deaths and survivors again.  Then do it again.  And again and again.  You should see a trend twoard more survivors, as the gene that would provide resistance to that insecticide is now prevalent in the population.  That is evolution.  Let that happen a few thousand different ways and you will most assuredly result in a new species.
 


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Oh, really?

Yes, really.  The theory of evolution is invaluable in our modern world and will only continue to become even more so.  Without an understanding of the theory of evolution, we could not feed the world's population.  Without an understanding of evolution we would be at the mercy of many diseases that we currently have under control.  And evolution will play an increasingly important role in industry.  And that's just for starters!  Understanding evolution is critical if we want to keep pace with modern science and biology.
Understanding evolution is critical if we want to continue to practically apply it.  
 


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