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The Evolutionary theory states that after earth had cooled down, chemical reactions caused a single cell to develop. An attempt to prove this theory was made in 1953 by a university student named Stanley Miller. Miller used a series of test tubes to create the condition that scientists thought existed on early earth. His experiment actually created some of the key amino acids needed in cells. However, this does not prove Evolution. After this experiment, scientists have been attempting to create a cell. However, their experiments have not even created three of the key amino acids needed in a cell. Further more, several of the key components needed in cell will destroy each other unless they are not in a cell. Some of the components need oxygen to survive. There was no oxygen on early earth according to science. Some key components need no oxygen to survive. Oxygen will kill them. So these components would cancel each other out.


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Posts: 44 | Posted: 11:09 AM on April 12, 2008 | IP
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Are you aware of Sydney Fox's work with abiotic thermal protein and protocells?

Syndey Fox


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Pogge:” This is the volume of a sphere with a 62 kilometer (about 39 miles) radius, which is considerably smaller than the 2,000 mile radius of the Earth.”
Wikipedia:” For Earth, the mean radius is 6,371.009 km(≈3,958.761 mi; ≈3,440.069 nmi).”
Wisp to Lester (on Pogge): Do you admit he was wrong about the basics?
Lester: No

 


Posts: 1747 | Posted: 11:21 AM on April 12, 2008 | IP
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And i am just expected to take their word for it?


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Posts: 44 | Posted: 11:27 AM on April 12, 2008 | IP
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No, but you could read what has actually been done and correct your misconceptions.  


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Pogge:” This is the volume of a sphere with a 62 kilometer (about 39 miles) radius, which is considerably smaller than the 2,000 mile radius of the Earth.”
Wikipedia:” For Earth, the mean radius is 6,371.009 km(≈3,958.761 mi; ≈3,440.069 nmi).”
Wisp to Lester (on Pogge): Do you admit he was wrong about the basics?
Lester: No

 


Posts: 1747 | Posted: 11:34 AM on April 12, 2008 | IP
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Cman66 - How do you think life began?

Maybe God did make life, beginning about 3.5 billion years ago.  Perhaps he started out experimenting creating single-celled protozoa and algae, then progressed into multicellular life after he got the hang of it.  Then he progressed from there to making plants,  invertibrate, fish, amphibians, reptiles, birds, mammals, etc.

I think that's a fine idea, and it would certainly explain life on earth.  But there's just one little problem with that idea from science's standpoint.  It inolves a supernatural creator, the existence of whom we have never detected.  God's existence is based solely on faith - that's fine.  I don't have a problem with that.

But science would fall apart if it relied on that sort of thinking to explain the world around us.  What if Copernicus had just given up trying to explain the movement of the planets in the night sky and said 'that's just how God does it.  The earth is obviously the center of the universe.'

What if Newton hadn't pursued the question of celestial attraction and movement?  What if he just shook his head and gave up and said - 'it must be the will of God.'

And what if the countless other thinkers and scientists through the past centuries took the easy way out and thought the same thing - God did it.  There no sense busting my brain with this problem.

We would be back in the Medieval Ages, swayed by superstitions, plagued by disease and pestilence, miserable under a feudal system that favored a few and enslaved the many.  


 


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Cmann,

could you define evolution?

And could you point to me where it includes abiogenesis?
 


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The Evolutionary theory states that after earth had cooled down, chemical reactions caused a single cell to develop.

Evolutionary theory does not state this.  This has nothing to do with the theory of evolution.

An attempt to prove this theory was made in 1953 by a university student named Stanley Miller. Miller used a series of test tubes to create the condition that scientists thought existed on early earth. His experiment actually created some of the key amino acids needed in cells. However, this does not prove Evolution.

This has nothing to do with evolution at all.

Further more, several of the key components needed in cell will destroy each other unless they are not in a cell.

Such as....?

Some of the components need oxygen to survive. There was no oxygen on early earth according to science. Some key components need no oxygen to survive. Oxygen will kill them. So these components would cancel each other out.

What???  This is just gibberish.
 


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However as far as we know the "Q" made it all. (If you don't know what the "Q" is, it is a ascended being in star trek next generation.


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However as far as we know the "Q" made it all.

Got any evidence to back that claim up?  (And Star Trek: The Next Generation doesn't count!)
 


Posts: 1664 | Posted: 8:38 PM on April 14, 2008 | IP
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Quote from Demon38 at 8:38 PM on April 14, 2008 :
However as far as we know the "Q" made it all.

Got any evidence to back that claim up?  (And Star Trek: The Next Generation doesn't count!)


Well, in the last episode 'All good things' Q actually took Picard back 3.5 billions years into the past to show him what he had done had stopped the first amino acids combining to form the first protein and stopping the formation of life on Earth.

Sorry couldnt resist!

(Edited by Galileo 9/3/2008 at 11:16 AM).

(Edited by Galileo 9/4/2008 at 05:37 AM).


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Quote from SilverStar at 8:22 PM on April 14, 2008 :
However as far as we know the "Q" made it all. (If you don't know what the "Q" is, it is a ascended being in star trek next generation.


Well technically we know nothing.

However, based on the evidence, creationism does not look good. And it requires a liar God.



 


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it also requires a large amount of looking the other way when real evidence is brought in front of you.


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Very true.

They hunt for whatever "evidence" they can get to "disprove" evolution (proving creationism is so hard they barely even try).

They look at lots of data from science, and they cling with fervor to those few discoveries or theories, or even quotes that support their beliefs, or at least deny even a little part of the present understanding of evolution.

They MUST look at the data and say "No, no, no, no, no, no... This one!! Here is the proof (they tend not to use the word "evidence") that evolution is a lie!!

AND THEY GET REFUTED EVERY TIME!

Must be very frustrating and tiresome.



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Ha Ha. (...) I've told you people endlessly about my evidence but you don't want to show me yours - you just assert.
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but they keep on truckin' because otherwise they would have to ADMIT BEING WRONG *gasp*


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