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TheCman66

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The Evolutionary theory states that Dinosaurs, specifically the Raptor family, eventually evolved into birds. However, there is quite a lot of evidence against this along with the obvious impossibility. Such as the totally different body designs. First of all, when evolutionary paleontologists discover what appears to be a creature that is half-dino, half bird, they just consider the possibility of it being proof of the Dino-bird evolution. They do not, however, consider the possibility of it just simply being a creature that is not in mid evolution.


Even if somehow a Velocoraptor did manage to evolve into the bald eagle, where does the information come from? Even if it does have a bird brain, it still has dinosaur memory. It would not know how to fly. It would still just hunt, or at least try to hunt like a Velociraptor. Chemicals are just chemicals and do not carry the information to know how to be a bird.

Also, there are more birds than the dinosaurs that evolved into them. Only the raptor family of dinosaurs and the assorted array of flying reptiles, which supposedly evolved into the birds we see and enjoy today. So, if somehow raptors did evolve into the birds of prey that we see today, then where did all of the other birds come from? Evolution has an explanation for the birds of prey, but not for all of the other birds. Such as Duck, Chickens, Sparrows, and Chickadees.   So, before you make your decision, consider this information.


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Posts: 44 | Posted: 11:34 AM on April 12, 2008 | IP
Obvious_child

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You really shouldn't hang out at Answers in Genesis.

Welcome to a grand thing call education

http://www.ucmp.berkeley.edu/diapsids/avians.html

Furthermore, recent experiments as shown on the Discovery Channel have shown that chickens, yes chickens contain the genes to produce extremely dinosaur like features, such as long tails, arms, and even scales. It is a matter of when the genes turn on and when they turn off.

http://www.talkorigins.org/indexcc/CC/CC214.html

And a raptor's genes are not very different from the other birds. In the same fashion that humans share the vast majority of genes with other primates, raptors share the vast majority of their genes with other avians.
 


Posts: 136 | Posted: 1:50 PM on April 12, 2008 | IP
Apoapsis

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When chickens begin to grow teeth, is that a loss or gain of information?

Teeth discovered in mutant chickens


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Wikipedia:” For Earth, the mean radius is 6,371.009 km(≈3,958.761 mi; ≈3,440.069 nmi).”
Wisp to Lester (on Pogge): Do you admit he was wrong about the basics?
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Posts: 1747 | Posted: 1:58 PM on April 12, 2008 | IP
TheCman66

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Mutant chickens. That does not mean they evolved from dinos.


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Posts: 44 | Posted: 6:07 PM on April 12, 2008 | IP
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That wasn't the question, is it a gain or loss of information?


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Pogge:” This is the volume of a sphere with a 62 kilometer (about 39 miles) radius, which is considerably smaller than the 2,000 mile radius of the Earth.”
Wikipedia:” For Earth, the mean radius is 6,371.009 km(≈3,958.761 mi; ≈3,440.069 nmi).”
Wisp to Lester (on Pogge): Do you admit he was wrong about the basics?
Lester: No

 


Posts: 1747 | Posted: 09:08 AM on April 13, 2008 | IP
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Quote from TheCman66 at 6:07 PM on April 12, 2008 :
Mutant chickens. That does not mean they evolved from dinos.


Explain why their genes can be manipulated to produce dinosaur traits. Furthermore, explain to me why all chickens if properly manipulated during development can do this if they did not evolve from raptors.
 


Posts: 136 | Posted: 3:02 PM on April 13, 2008 | IP
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The Evolutionary theory states that Dinosaurs, specifically the Raptor family, eventually evolved into birds.

Well, therapod dinosaurs, to be more precise.

However, there is quite a lot of evidence against this along with the obvious impossibility.

Actually, no there isn't.

Such as the totally different body
designs.


What totally different body designs?  Give us a little detail, tell us what body parts are different and why evolution can't account for them.  Blanket statements like this with little or no detail usually mean whoever is making them doesn't know what they're talking about...

First of all, when evolutionary paleontologists discover what appears to be a creature that is half-dino, half bird, they just consider the possibility of it being proof of the Dino-bird evolution.

Wrong, they look for a reason why it has both characteristics.  The only thing we have evidence for explaining this is evolution, there is no evidence for any other explaination.

They do not, however, consider the possibility of it just simply being a creature that is not in mid evolution.

Since evolution is a fact, since it's mechanisms have been observed, there is no creature, no organism, that isn't a product of evolution.

Even if somehow a Velocoraptor did manage to evolve into the bald eagle, where does the information come from?

Well, never mind the fact that mutation does add information, what new information are you talking about?  Dinosaurs had hollow bones like birds, they had feathers, they had respitory systems like birds, what exactly are you talking about?  Again, give us some details or admit you don't know what you're talking about.

Even if it does have a bird brain, it still has dinosaur memory.

Well, birds are dinosaurs, so they have dinosaur memories also...

It would not know how to fly.

Birds don't know how to fly either, it's an instinct.  Instincts evolve.  You'r point is very silly...

Chemicals are just chemicals and do not carry the information to know how to be a
bird.


Entirely wrong.  What do you think memory is and how does it work???  From here:
MemoryChemicals

"For years, scientists have studied the molecular basis of memory storage, trying to find the molecules that store memory, just as DNA stores genetic memory. In an important study published this week in the Journal of Neuroscience, Brandeis University researchers report for the first time that memory storage can be induced and then biochemically erased in slices of rat hippocampus by manipulating a so-called "memory molecule," a protein kinase known as CaMKII."

In other words, memories are chemically based, memories are information, therefore, chemicals carry information.

Also, there are more birds than the dinosaurs that evolved into them. Only the raptor family of dinosaurs and the assorted array of flying reptiles, which supposedly evolved into the birds we see and enjoy today. So, if somehow raptors did evolve into the birds of prey that we see today, then where did all of the other birds come from?

This is a particularly stupid claim.  Where did the other birds come from, they evolved!

So, before you make your decision, consider this information.

WEll, the "information" you presented shows a complete lack of understanding of how biology and evolution works, so your points are simply meaningless...You need to do a lot more research to even try and debate intelligently.
 


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Latest update:

Gunk in T. Rex Fossil Confirms Dino-Bird Lineage

By comparing the dino's protein sequences with those of 21 living organisms, a team of researchers say they have locked in the dinosaur-bird link.


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Pogge:” This is the volume of a sphere with a 62 kilometer (about 39 miles) radius, which is considerably smaller than the 2,000 mile radius of the Earth.”
Wikipedia:” For Earth, the mean radius is 6,371.009 km(≈3,958.761 mi; ≈3,440.069 nmi).”
Wisp to Lester (on Pogge): Do you admit he was wrong about the basics?
Lester: No

 


Posts: 1747 | Posted: 9:17 PM on April 24, 2008 | IP
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Very nice.  So the evidence continues to build linking birds with dinosaurs.  More solid evidence for the theory of evolution.

I was watching a show last night on the science channel - 'Miracle Planet - indestructible life', I think it was titled.  The program detailed how resilient life on Earth has been - managing to survive a number of catastrophes - huge meteorite stricks that sterilized the surface of the planet, surviving a 'snowball' earth, surviving the effects of huge volcanic eruptions that spewed toxic gases into the atmosphere, etc.  It was really quite amazing.  

The catastrophes that have assaulted this planet in the distant past were unimaginable to the writers of the Bible.  They make the Biblical flood look puny by comparison.

But the amazing thing is that life somehow managed to survive, and evolution took over each time.
 


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