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I've been considering what the implications would be if Creationsits were right.  Not in the physical implications, but the moral and theological implications.  Here's what I've come up with.

First off, let's define terms.  Which Creationist beliefs am I talking about?  There are two.  First, the Bible, and particularly Genisis, is literally true.  Second, if you don't believe this, you're damned.  I recognize that this second point doesn't get as much press as the first, but the Creationists I've spoken with have, when pressed, said that this is the motivation for the fervor of their belief.

So, what are the implications of this?  If you don't believe that the BIble is literally true, you go to Hell.  Now, what help does God give you in making the right choice?  None, really.  The religion most people follow is based solely on what releigion their family, friends, and neighbors follow.  And even if you decide to break with the traditions of your people and seek truth, how are you supposed to know what it is?  Sure there's the Bible, but there are a dozen other holy books in the world too.  How are you supposed to know that that one is right?  Experience and observation are no help.  After all, the world, which God made 6000 years ago, looks like it's billions of years old.  We've got dinosaur bones, fossils buried hundreds of feet deep in solid rock, geological features that simply look like they would take hundreds of thousands of years to form.  Is the Bible itself clearly true?  You might possibly think so, if you were raised in its traditions from childhood.  But if you're trying to come to the truth later in life, there's no way to know that God wants you to belive this book, and not the Tao Te Ching or the Bhagavad Gita.  And if you make the wrong choice, you burn in Hell, forever.

So, let's summarize.  God creates the universe, earth, people, etc., about 6000 years ago.  He does so in such a way that there is no conclusive evidence of this, and quite a bit of circumstantial evidence that make it seem like everything might be much older.  This is all recorded in the Bible, but there is no way to tell that the Bible is in fact God's word, and not any of the other "holy" books that God permits to have written.  And finally, if you weren't fortunate to be born in the correct tradtion, you must figure out that everything you've been taught your whole life is wrong, and figure out that the Bible is the truth, despite the plethora of alternatives and physical evidence to the contrary (which God made) or you're damned for eternity.

If this is all true, then there's only one conclusion I can come to.  God's a jerk.  People born to fundamentalist christian communities are a shoe-in for heaven, and the other 6 billion people in the world are almost certainly damned for all eternity.  The deck is so ridiculously stacked against them that they have virtually no chance of salvation.  What sort of God is that?  Certainly not a benevolent, loving God.
 


Posts: 92 | Posted: 09:49 AM on April 30, 2004 | IP
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Reading your bit there Kronus reminded me of something Darwin wrote:

"He who believes that each equine species was independently created, will, I presume, assert that each species has been created with a tendency to vary, both under nature and domestication, in this particular manner, so as often to become striped like other species of the genus; and that each has been created with a strong tendancy, when crossed with species inhabiting distant quarters of the world, to produce hybirds resembling in their stripes, not their own parents, but other species of the genus. To admit this view is, as it seems to me, to reject a real for an unreal, or at least unknown cause. It makes the works of God a mere mockery of deception; I would almost as soon believe with the old and ignorant cosmologists, that fossil shells have never lived, but had been created in stone as to mock the shellls now living on the sea shore."

-The Origin of Species.


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Posts: 92 | Posted: 6:37 PM on April 30, 2004 | IP
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that darwin is a funny guy.  he was going to be a christian preacher but was greedy and wanted fame and fortune.

so he sailed off drew pics of birds and said their beaks are different because they evolved that way so that they could get the food that they were eating.    well i belive that God created birds just the way they are. i also belive that birds like humans are lazy and with whatever beak that had, the got the food that they could grab onto with there little beaks the easiest.

p.s. darwin calls himself a great scientist but he never went to a science college, all he did was draw pics of birds and told people that the earth is possibly millions of years old


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that darwin is a funny guy.  he was going to be a christian preacher but was greedy and wanted fame and fortune.

Back this statement up or you are a liar.

so he sailed off drew pics of birds and said their beaks are different because they evolved that way so that they could get the food that they were eating.

You never read Darwin's "Origin of the Species"
because this is not what he said.  

well i belive that God created birds just the way they are. i also belive that birds like humans are lazy and with whatever beak that had, the got the food that they could grab onto with there little beaks the easiest.

Well, you can believe that if you want, but it's entirely wrong...

p.s. darwin calls himself a great scientist but he never went to a science college, all he did was draw pics of birds and told people that the earth is possibly millions of years     old

Where does Darwin call himself a great sicentist?  Give us a quote or a source or once again you are a liar.  And Darwin studied natural history, invertabrate anatomy, geology and botany extensively before voyaging on the Beagle.  And once again, christian geologists had all ready established that the earth was at least millions of years old long before Darwin proposed the theory of evolution.  Doesn't it upset you that every one of your so called "facts" has been wrong?
 


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