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http://www.geocentricity.com/index.htm
http://www.talkorigins.org/faqs/flatearth.html
http://www.lhup.edu/~dsimanek/fe-scidi.htm

And one site that the literalists should comment on-
http://hypertextbook.com/eworld/geocentric.shtml
 


Posts: 193 | Posted: 5:27 PM on November 26, 2002 | IP
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This thread is important to the debate as a whole. If you stand by the bible as literal fact, how can you believe in a heliocentric, round earth? If you do not stand by the bible as all literal fact, how can you argue evolution conflicts with the bible?
 


Posts: 193 | Posted: 8:40 PM on December 1, 2002 | IP
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where in the Bible does it say that the earth is flat and does not revolve around the sun?


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just a question beavis,  have you ever read the Bible?


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Not most of it, only a few books. Genesis, Leviticus, Ecclesiastes, Revelations and bits of others.

The sun from moving in the book of Joshua. This shows the bible writers belief that the sun revolved around the earth. In Psalms the world is "never to be moved". The earth is the center of the universe, and the "foundations" of the earth are mentioned in many instances (Samuel, Psalms, Proverbs, etc.)

In the books of Job, Deuteronomy, and others, there are "ends" of the earth. In Psalms, the suns light hits everywhere on earth and nothing is hid from its heat. There is a tree in the book of Daniel that is visible from all of the earth.  In Matthew, the devil can show someone the entire world by bringing them up a high mountain. Revelations mentions the four corners of the earth.

I am sure you guys just read these as metaphor or something else that prevents you from realizing the book was written by a bunch of primitive flat earthers, but if you do, I want to know why other parts of the bible are literal and how you can tell.
 


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in the Bible you can find information to support almost anything you want to beleive.


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I don't read most of them as a metaphor.  People today say the "ends of the earth" and "four corners" while in no way mentioning that the earth is flat.  These expressions are used to accentuate the "entireity" of the earth.  "I've traveled to the ends of the earth": if someone said this you would not assume that they have travled to the waterfall in which everything dropped off into space, you would assume that the had traveled a long distance.  "Foundations" has nothing to do with the earth being the center of the universe, in most contexts in which you speak it is genrally along the lines of Psalms 18:  "And the earth shook to it's foundations....", or in Mark: "...the block that was rejected by the builders has become the cornerstone, the foundation of all the earth."  These have nothing to do with the earths galatic positioning.  Speaking of misinterpretation you're pulling 2 words from a paragraph in a book you've never read and  twisting them to your intentions.

It's the constant nit-picking and human desire for 100% understanding that has caused sucj conflict regarding the bible.  People are so worried about whether it was a metaphor or not they miss the entire message, a message that would be the same whether it actually happened or was spoken in the parable that Jesus was so fond of.  Let's not forget, jesus's most impotant lessons were taught through metaphor, he didn't come right out and say it, he made a person think.  Why should we expect the bible to do otherwise?

Oh and I'm not disagreeing with you beavis, the bible was after all, written by men, and all men back in that time believed the earth was flat...but you're doing the same thing that you accuse us of doing.  And what exactly is the point to all this?  What does it prove that the men who wrote the bible thought the earth was flat?


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I don't have to do any twisting. Any historian can tell you what people believed about the planet when the bible was written and the passages are clear without any manipulation. You cannot climb high enough to see everything. The sun stopping would not prevent night and day changes. Where as you see me as nitpicking, I see you as reading it blindly and ignoring all of the stuff that makes no sense.

My point was where the line is drawn in literal vs figurative intepretation, which I made quite clear, but of course if you acknoweldged that you wouldn't be able to ask me what my point is in a condescending tone.

Many use the days of creation as evidence against evolution. If this is acceptable to some people I want to know why the "expressions" about the flat earth and geocentic model are not also proof of those things.
 


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thistown is right, many people still use those expressions today ("four corners of the earth" and "ends of the earth"). second of all beavis, you are giving examples of all of these passages from the bible yet you claim that the only books you have read are "Genesis, Leviticus, Ecclesiastes, Revelations and bits of others." as a Christian, the most important thing in the bible are the 4 Gospels, not the Old Testament. honestly, it doesnt matter whether or not some passages in the Old Testament are to be taken literally. the thing that i care most about is Jesus Christ and the perfect example that He set for us.


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I agree with you that the writers of the bible probably believed that the earth was flat, but I will point out that you were twisting what the passages were saying.  You pulled most of them completely out of context.

If you've read any of my posts you know that I am not anti-evolution, I believe that the creation story is allegory, just a monstrous metaphor, much like Revelations.  And I did answer your question about the line between leteral and figurative, the same message gets across regardless of whther it is taken literally or figuratively, and the message is what is important.  

And I don't believe your in a position to criticize anything.  You know absolutely nothing about Christianity or the Bible.  you've read 4 books, Old Testament at that.  You only have what you've read and what people have told you to go on.


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Jesus, I'll read the rest just for you guys. It'll only offend me more, though.
 


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And falling, what is your answer? Where is the line drawn?
 


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Quote from beavischrist at 10:59 AM on December 3, 2002 :
Jesus, I'll read the rest just for you guys. It'll only offend me more, though.


not getting religious us now are you beavis, calling upon the name of the Lord and all?




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i dont know beavis, i'm not God. the only thing i really care about is that Jesus died for me and i'm gonna live eternally with Him


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How sweet.
 


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oh excuse me beavis for getting religous on you. i simply answered ur question.


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oh look. another guy who created a god in his own image. bet he leaves the church on sunday morning and flips the bird to 1st person that won't let him merge into traffic.
why does the bible have no author listed. because no one wants to take credit for writing such bullshit. it should have been called, the great book of contradiction and deception. Look at the abundance of cash this book has made over the centuries. Tax free to boot. the pope probably pisses himself to sleep laughing each night. The biggest tax free business in the history of man. guess you could say that it is some book. If there was'nt so much money involved, you'd have never heard of it. Even Mel gibson rolled it into a 200 million dollar epic and you had to read the captions.
the gospels are the best part? guess that's where the priests get the idea that incest and pedaphilia is widely acceptable in the church, as it is also widely accepted in the bible.  gotta love those christians. they got moxie.
commit sin and you'll burn in hell for eternity, but god loves you. now if thats a warm and fuzzy feeling, I don't know what is.
 


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Lucifer, you put non-believers like me to shame with your idiocy.

oh look. another guy who created a god in his own image. bet he leaves the church on sunday morning and flips the bird to 1st person that won't let him merge into traffic.


Do note that the last post in this topic is from late 2002...

why does the bible have no author listed. because no one wants to take credit for writing such bullshit.


The second demonstration of an almost deliberate ignorance to the subject is your inability to grasp very basic historical concepts. There aren't any books written from the Bible's time period in which on the cover was inscribed, "By: ___." The Qu'ran doesn't say "By: Mohammad," yet it's well known that almost all of Islam can be accredited to him. Speaking of actual authors, it doesn't take very much effort to find out who the writers of each portion of the Bible were. Contrary to what you're suggesting, it actually does say.

Look at the abundance of cash this book has made over the centuries.


It would appear the third class you flunked was Economics. Books don't write themselves. Shakespeare's Julius Caesar doesn't roll in all the green it's made over the years. If every single person in the world who sold Bibles was to put their income together in one huge pile, they'd have quite a bit of dough... But you're leaving out the fact that it's going to be split up. It's not like Microsoft where one person has the majority of the shares. My 8th-grade English teacher made her own Bible layout and sold a couple dozen of them, and probably made under $200.

the pope probably pisses himself to sleep laughing each night. The biggest tax free business in the history of man. guess you could say that it is some book.


And, continuing off of my last point, you do realize that almost all money accumulated from "Bible sales" goes directly to charity, don't you? Yeah, an evil money-scheming corporation if I've ever heard of one.

f there was'nt so much money involved, you'd have never heard of it.


You were obviously joking there, because no one's quite that foolish to believe such a thing. Lucy, I don't think the first literature in history, The Epics of Gilgamesh, are making nearly as much money as the Bible... and yet somehow I know what they are. Gee, I also seem to know what the Iliad and the [/i]Odyssey[/i] are...

Even Mel gibson rolled it into a 200 million dollar epic and you had to read the captions.


I really hope Mel Gibson isn't your universal image of a Christian, or Marilyn Manson would have to be your image of your every-day Atheist/Agnostic.

commit sin and you'll burn in hell for eternity, but god loves you. now if thats a warm and fuzzy feeling, I don't know what is.


Congradulations. Out of an entire paragraph, you did manage to delve into some material from a Philosophy 101 course.






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here's the point slick. believe in whatever the hell you like or nothing at all. just stop trying to ram it down everyones throat. the damn catholics, jews, protestants, evangelists, baptists and every other organized religion is no better than the hardcore moslem terrorist. hope I did'nt leave anyone out.
believe in what you want, that's alright with me, but it's time to seperate religion from government. government should not be force feeding religion down everyones throat. that is not what government was intended to be. My understanding is that the constitution was founded on freedom to believe as one chooses, period. Stop using religion as a crutch, be a better person on your own. We all have the right to decide what is right and wrong and in the same respect should all be accountable for our actions.  Religion is already the largest tax free business in the world, what else do they want? Their yearly tax free income towers several time that of walmart.

If you think the bible was written by a god, you are certainly delusional. It was written by man. Try this one, start a small rumor at work tomorrow morning. Be very exact in your detail, by the time the story gets back to you, it will be just that, a whole different story. I guess you missed that one in 3rd grade. you were probably to engrossed with your philosohy studies.
So even if it were remotely possible and I do stress the term remote, that some supreme  intelligent lifeforce being, super sugar daddy came to earth and spewed these thousands and thousands of words of wisdom, don't you think that for just one minute that someone other than "your mystery writer" as you call it, would have documented at least one of these mystical magical events.
As far as book sales go, the catholic religion is really hurting to bad these days, maybe a little bad press from the ever growing pedaphilia cases, but they always seem to shake that off, don't they. Bible sales to charity. Now that's a good one. If guess you can call the humble abode of the vatican a real charity case. you and I my friend could'nt afford to turn a light on there. don't think the popes heating left over mac and cheese tonight.
It's just sad to think that a rational person can't decide for him or herself what life rules to live by without having use a false god as a crutch. Jesus the original insurance salesman. you want one year, two year or the super dandy eternity policy with that life?

Almost only counts in horseshoes and handgrenades, so the next time your in confessional trying to redeem your place in some great magical kingdom that was made, just for you, because your such a good deserving godlike person... reach down and grab your balls and simply make amends to the person you screwed over instead of playing the "god card", and just blowing it off, as oh well, I said my prayer and now it's ok...  Afterall, the priest is only going to give you a few hail mary's and send you on your way. this will most likely give you that warm and fuzzy feeling once again, but it's not the true answer, it's the one you want to hear. And afterall, as humans, part of the animal food chain, it is chracteristic to look for the easy button. A concious attempt to be a better person will go alot further than the dream of some magical voodoo that someone trying to turn a buck whipped up a few thousand years ago. Answer me this, oh godly one, the bible reads a many many generations of time. If there are supposedly 12 authors to this fictional novel, how long did these jokers live. If you well off, like many of these, days of old bible salesmen were, back in the day, you could probably expect a top end of about 40yrs. longevity, right? How could so many chapters of supposed actually witnessing of these mystical events have occured in such a short time span? Even if you multiply the whole group? Also if this was word from a god, why then was it rewritten and changed several times over the years? guess your god did'nt know what he was talking about and man had to set his word right...
Afterall, man created GOD in his own image. Who would know better what changes to make in the bible than the man who created it...
Mel Gibson is not my example of a Christian, just my example another person in the religion for dollars game. Again, comparable to organized religion but not on such a grand scale.
Marylon Manson,,,well, can't say I care for the music none, but is actually quite an intelligent person. It's only make up you know. Kids love him from what I understand. Kind of has them dazzled, like religion does for others I would guess.
So, whatever gives you that warm and fuzzy feeling, just go with it pal, but try to keep the focus on saving yourself and let the rest of us do as we will. We were all born with freedom of choice. If, in the end, there's is that great firery hell that you dream of, well someone has to go there, right? If it turns out that there is and I wind up there, you can say, I told you so. But if there indeed is, and I wind up there, merely for my non belief in this idol god of yours, well I guess your god was'nt worth believing in anyway and your time was wasted.

If you want  spread something besides lipservice, do something unexpectedly nice for someone tomorrow. someone you just don't like. I believe you holy roller types would call it, the turn or maybe spread the cheek theory. The return is much greater than anything your going to read in that science fiction novel you've been duked into believing.

One more thing about your god. should you see him ask him this for me. I not so recently went on an EMS call. It was a child abuse case. Happens every few seconds somewhere in the world. A woman who felt that her child was being just a little bit too annoying with it's crying took and dipped the child in a large pot of boiling water that was on her stove. when we arrived at the scene our 1st responders were already trying to cool the baby in a cold tub of water. it was a herrendous scene. An absolute and total feeling of powerlessness. Every stitch of our training could not soothe this baby's torment. It's skin was simply falling off in our hands from the chest to toe. We flew the baby to a burn unit where it amazingly recovered after several surgery's.

Tell me this, where was your god then? I guess if your not on your knees begging forgiveness or flipping money into the plate, he just does'nt have time for you. How can anyone say that a god exists?
 


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#1 More than you're "mystery writer"?  You do realize that the Bible is a COLLECTION of writings by many different authors, don't you?

#2 You are equating Catholicism to Christianity?   Seriously?  There's a reason that the Catholics (themselves) call a mixed marriage a Catholic/Christian marriage.  They don't wish to be confused with Christians.  Read 1 Timothy 4:3 and see what "religion" you know of that requires any of their members (priests for instance) to not marry or to abstain from meat (Lent?  Fish on Fridays?).  Or how about "Call no man father, but he who art in heaven"?  Unless the priest is saying he is a person's physical father (which I find hard to believe) then he is requiring his parishioners to blaspheme and call him their spiritual father which is reserved for God alone.  

Please, don't attack Christianity based on the acts of the Catholic (or any other denominational) "religion".



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here's the point slick. believe in whatever the hell you like or nothing at all. just stop trying to ram it down everyones throat.


In what way is pointing out the numerous flaws in your heinous, offensive post, “ramming it down everyone’s throat”? I made it clear I was a non-believer to begin with.

the damn catholics, jews, protestants, evangelists, baptists and every other organized religion is no better than the hardcore moslem terrorist.


I really feel sorry for you if you believe that. It’s quite evident that you’ve had some bad experience with religion. Perhaps one of your neighbors, a Christian, on his way back from the office decided to exit his vehicle and behead your parents. After all, that’s one of very few examples that could possibly equate a misguided, Bush-voting Right-Wingist to a real terrorist…

If you think the bible was written by a god, you are certainly delusional.


If you for any reason think I said that, you are yet more delusional.

It was written by man. Try this one, start a small rumor at work tomorrow morning. Be very exact in your detail, by the time the story gets back to you, it will be just that, a whole different story. I guess you missed that one in 3rd grade. you were probably to engrossed with your philosohy studies.


Indeed, I was much too interested in R.L. Stine’s Goosebumps series to bother digging up the countless logical fallacies presented by a literal interpretation of the Bible. Matter of fact, I didn’t actually get around to reading a single page of the Bible until 8th Grade, and even then, it concerned me only because it was an interesting perspective on culture.

So even if it were remotely possible and I do stress the term remote, that some supreme  intelligent lifeforce being, super sugar daddy came to earth and spewed these thousands and thousands of words of wisdom, don't you think that for just one minute that someone other than "your mystery writer" as you call it, would have documented at least one of these mystical magical events.


I don’t remember terming the author one of “mystery.” The names are written down, everyone from Job to Luke. Mind you, the validity of whether or not they’re the actual authors is deeply in question.

As far as book sales go, the catholic religion is really hurting to bad these days, maybe a little bad press from the ever growing pedaphilia cases, but they always seem to shake that off, don't they.


You just keep going and going… Since you didn’t get it the first time, try to understand it this time around: there are much more worthwhile jobs than selling Bibles. If people were so selfish, they wouldn’t waste their lives at a church in the attempt to improve the lives of other people.

Bible sales to charity. Now that's a good one. If guess you can call the humble abode of the vatican a real charity case. you and I my friend could'nt afford to turn a light on there. don't think the popes heating left over mac and cheese tonight.


Wrong again. The funds come from donations, both public and private. Churches across the globe collect millions in donations every year. A single church can raise thousands of dollars in a single weekend if it sponsors a program within its local community.

It's just sad to think that a rational person can't decide for him or herself what life rules to live by without having use a false god as a crutch. Jesus the original insurance salesman. you want one year, two year or the super dandy eternity policy with that life?


You stopped making sense there.

Almost only counts in horseshoes and handgrenades, so the next time your in confessional trying to redeem your place in some great magical kingdom that was made, just for you, because your such a good deserving godlike person... reach down and grab your balls and simply make amends to the person you screwed over instead of playing the "god card", and just blowing it off, as oh well, I said my prayer and now it's ok...  Afterall, the priest is only going to give you a few hail mary's and send you on your way.

this will most likely give you that warm and fuzzy feeling once again, but it's not the true answer, it's the one you want to hear. And afterall, as humans, part of the animal food chain, it is chracteristic to look for the easy button. A concious attempt to be a better person will go alot further than the dream of some magical voodoo that someone trying to turn a buck whipped up a few thousand years ago.


Unless you’d like come up with an actual point and argue it effectively, take the bashing, trolling and spamming to another forum.

Answer me this, oh godly one,


This would be the fourth time in 24 hours in which I’ll say I’m not a religious person by any means.

the bible reads a many many generations of time. If there are supposedly 12 authors to this fictional novel, how long did these jokers live. If you well off, like many of these, days of old bible salesmen were, back in the day, you could probably expect a top end of about 40yrs.


Oh dear. You also seem to have failed your World Studies class. True, the average age was quite insignificant back then, but there are many examples in which people lived much longer, the most prominent of which is Pharaoh Ramses II, who made it all the way to 96.

Here’s an idea: debate some real controversy. Arguably, Ramses II was Pharaoh during the period in which the events of Exodus occurred. (When Moses liberated the enslaved Israelites.) Yet the Egyptian hieroglyphics make no mention of the 12 Plagues of Egypt nor the raising of the Red Sea, and Ramses II himself was certainly not washed away when God let the waters back down on the Egyptian army; his mummified body is on display in Cairo to this day.

longevity, right? How could so many chapters of supposed actually witnessing of these mystical events have occured in such a short time span? Even if you multiply the whole group? Also if this was word from a god, why then was it rewritten and changed several times over the years? guess your god did'nt know what he was talking about and man had to set his word right...


I am an Agnostic… making that the fifth time you’ve irrationally overstepped the words I replied with in order to satisfy your immature need to bash religion.

Mel Gibson is not my example of a Christian, just my example another person in the religion for dollars game. Again, comparable to organized religion but not on such a grand scale.


Mel Gibson isn’t comparable by any means. Organized religions are not collective bodies that absorb everyone’s money and service for other ambitions run by higher-up authority, Catholicism being the single exception—and not an evil one at that. Catholicism is simply the only religion in which its people saw fit to create a structured government. It’s very little different from the Republic form of a democracy we have right here in the United States.

So, whatever gives you that warm and fuzzy feeling, just go with it pal, but try to keep the focus on saving yourself and let the rest of us do as we will.


I assume you’re directing this to some other random person, or this would actually be your sixth ad hominous comment.

We were all born with freedom of choice. If, in the end, there's is that great firery hell that you dream of, well someone has to go there, right? If it turns out that there is and I wind up there, you can say, I told you so.


I don’t believe I ever did tell you so.

If you want  spread something besides lipservice, do something unexpectedly nice for someone tomorrow. someone you just don't like. I believe you holy roller types would call it, the turn or maybe spread the cheek theory. The return is much greater than anything your going to read in that science fiction novel you've been duked into believing.


Would you seriously care to grow up?

One more thing about your god.


Isn’t my god; seventh.

Tell me this, where was your god then?


Eighth; isn’t my god, again; logically, since none of us happen to be God, we can’t say unless he was to tell us personally. Unfortunately for the both of us, the argument used as a last resort “God works in mysterious ways,” applies here, and it can’t be defeated.

I guess if your not on your knees begging forgiveness or flipping money into the plate, he just does'nt have time for you. How can anyone say that a god exists?


Now tell that to all the people that have been so close to death and so on the brink of giving up, yet somehow survived through some unlikely probability. In their eyes, it’s a miracle, and I’m sure you’ve witnessed enough astonishing feats in the medical world to acknowledge the sense—however primitive—behind such beliefs.



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http://scienceblogs.com/pharyngula/2007/08/a_triumphant_beginning.php
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Posts: 729 | Posted: 6:58 PM on February 2, 2006 | IP
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"It's the constant nit-picking and human desire for 100% understanding that has caused sucj conflict regarding the bible. "

I know. It must be a right bugger for the credulous believers but it's no problem at all for the rational. In fact, if it weren't for the inroads that rationality, science and debate have made into faith, there would be no convenient cherry picking.  Everyone would beleive the literal word of the bible (as many still do) and there would be no pressure to believe otherwise.

It seems to me the case for interpretation of the bible rather than it's literal word is based upon theists painting themselves into a decreasing corner. There is now allegory where it was once blind fact, interpretation where it was once an article of faith.  The faithful make a convenience and a virtue of ignoring the terrible things, paradox and contradiction in the testaments written by these bronze age people, to suit a diminishing grasp on reality.

I look forward to the further erosion of these delusions until one by one people can focus their undoubted energy on what we can do for each other and strive to learn all there is to learn.


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