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i'm sure you guys all know what social darwinism is. i was wondering what you thought about it


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Posts: 971 | Posted: 7:59 PM on December 3, 2002 | IP
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when Hitler and the Nazis were in power, they said that evolution made some races inferior to others. Hitler used evolution to justify the slaughtering of millions of innocent people.


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Posts: 971 | Posted: 8:00 PM on December 3, 2002 | IP
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Yes he did, he was quite mad.
 


Posts: 193 | Posted: 02:43 AM on December 5, 2002 | IP
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Yes, social darwinisim does exist. Not as hitler thought, with one superior race but with some people from all races being better at some things than others. Thats on e reason why America became so powerful after only a couple hundred years while most other nations took much longer to get...not quite as far. Not that Amarica has a "super race" of people, we just take what every other country has to offer good AND bad, then dump it in a blender and hit "frappe". (or the "melting pot")


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Posts: 134 | Posted: 9:03 PM on December 5, 2002 | IP
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social darwinism is a racist theory that has led to the deaths of millions of innocent people


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Posts: 971 | Posted: 9:19 PM on December 5, 2002 | IP
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OK, I did not explain my post very well. It is not a racist theory because it does not single out a specific type of person who is "better" than everyone else. Say you have two people, one is good at skill A, while he sucks and skill B. along comes another person who while real good at skill B, is downright idiotic with skill A. put them thogether, and you have a team of people who have an advantage over someone with just one of those skills. (note: this is a gross simplification)


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Posts: 134 | Posted: 9:36 PM on December 5, 2002 | IP
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People have always hated different kinds of people. Now they have some bullshit theory to support it, but it is nothing new. People have hated Jews for as long as there were Jews.

(Edited by beavischrist 12/5/2002 at 10:08 PM).
 


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bograt, your theory is fine and dandy and all but social darwinism has historically been used as an excuse to exploit against "inferior" races and to "westernize" other cultures


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Posts: 971 | Posted: 08:59 AM on December 6, 2002 | IP
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Please explain how this "exploits" other races. As I said, this thoery deos not single out a single race as "superior" to others, but some cutures are in some ways better suited for todays world. Now about "westerizing" other cultures sure, we have in the past tried to impose our society on other countries, but a majority of the time the cultures/countries look at us and how well off we are and think "wow, they must be doing something right" and adopt some of our ideas, ect...


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note that i said "historically". hitler used social darwinism as an excuse to execute 6 million jews for example. THIS IS HISTORICAL FACT. in his book, Mein Kampf, he said this himself.


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Posts: 971 | Posted: 8:06 PM on December 8, 2002 | IP
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Hitler mentioned Jesus in there a few times, too.

And if you want to agrue that that doesn't mean show anything, then you may want to stop trying to drag the theory of evolution through the mud just because some crazy bastards killed people under the pretense of social darwinism.
 


Posts: 193 | Posted: 1:46 PM on December 11, 2002 | IP
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Also "historically" hitler was a nut bag with with a stick up his ass and an attitude problem that took a few years to correct.


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Posts: 134 | Posted: 09:44 AM on December 12, 2002 | IP
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Remember that he didn't contruct the idea of killing the Jews that he hated... most people attribute that to him. Adolf Eichmann was the creator of the "final solution." Hitler liked it and ran with it. He really wasn't such a genious... he lost a huge battle because he didn't like to be woken up... so much for the mighty panzer divisions.


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I think both of you are missing the point here.  Spencer summed up his theory in four words "Survival of the Fittest".  If you are going to argue that that statment is racist you must first define racisim.  The practice of racism is in itself a form of cheating (i.e. "gaining an unfair advantage over person/s of a different nationality").  That being said, most people with racist tendencies commit these acts because they fell threatened.  in the years after the emancipation procaimation,  the democratic party felt threatened by the rescently freed slaves; African-american loyalty would be to the Republican party (Abe Lincoln=Republican)durring elections.  Therefor they didn't support giving them the right to vote.
Back to the original point.  Spencer's overall message is that "The Strong Survive" and "The Weak Perish".  Nowhere in his books will you find any inferences to the strong killing the weak, he says that nature will weed out the socialy unfit.  Hypotheticaly, if Hitler was able to creat his "arian nation" it would be through the result of genocide.  This being an action of man and not an action of nature.  Nevertheless he still used social darwinism as an excuse for his actions, which shows how little he understood Herber Spencer.  case in point.  A doctor prescribes an antibiotic to a patient that is documented to be allergic to that particular antibiotic.  Is it Medicine that is to blame, or the doctor?  The art of medicine is helpful only when it is understood in full, and problems such as i just mentioned only occur as a result of human error, not because there is an inhierent flaw in medicine.  Likewise Social Darwinism is not to blame for hitler's actions because he did not understand Spencer's theory.
 


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Social Darwinism wasn't a great idea to begin with. However, I don't think that Spencer meant for it to help support the Nazis or Fascists. Humans were supposed to "naturally" progress or evolve as the "less fit" died off. Just as the government and the church were not supposed to interfere with that progression, Spencer probably did not mean for them to forcibly exterminate the "weaker" races either.

Just as it was not right to apply Darwin's biological evolution to human societies, it was not right to apply Spencer's social evolution to the mass decimation of entire peoples.

His idea wasn't necessarily racist, but it did inadvertantly spawn racist ideas. No one can deny that Hitler took many of his ideas from social Darwinismm, but he did interpret them incorrectly.


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social darwinism is the fault of the capitalist system. since hitler was a pseducapitalist puppet, he used social darwinism as an excuse.

true, and positive social darwinsim can be examined in cuba. cubans have a right to evolute to an enlightened state of learning, thinking, and living.

in the western world. people are oppressed by capitalism

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