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When this country was first made the laws were based on laws that followed the Bible and what God wanted us to do. Why now are we slipping away from God and what this country was based upon???


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Posts: 16 | Posted: 9:08 PM on July 10, 2004 | IP
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I assume by "this country" you mean America, which wasn't founded under christian beliefs.  So there goes that point.  Besides which, if you read the threads here, you'd see gup tried this tact already, and when I handed his ass to him, he left


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Posts: 234 | Posted: 02:33 AM on July 12, 2004 | IP
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well everyone that wrote up the constitution and the declaration of independance was in fact a christian.

the only reason why the laws were more religious is because the first pilgrims came here in search of religious freedom. so they decided to separate the state and church, if you know anything about the US government you would know this to be a big problem.  that is why in many states they are now taking the ten commandments out of any place where the state government rules. if you watch the news you should know this.


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Posts: 16 | Posted: 6:17 PM on July 17, 2004 | IP
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well everyone that wrote up the constitution and the declaration of independance was in fact a christian.

Wrong
founding fathers on religion


the only reason why the laws were more religious is because the first pilgrims came here in search of religious freedom. so they decided to separate the state and church,

Wait, let me get this straight: the founding father's were pilgrims?
if you know anything about the US government

So far I'm way ahead of you, and it's not even my country!


that is why in many states they are now taking the ten commandments out of any place where the state government rules. if you watch the news you should know this.

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Posts: 234 | Posted: 6:41 PM on July 17, 2004 | IP
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where are you from???

you know i realy dont care about any of this.

there is only one way to prove evolution or creation. and that is to die. so it does not matter what people think.

if you do belilve in evolution. how do you think the world will end?


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Posts: 16 | Posted: 11:05 PM on July 17, 2004 | IP
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where are you from???

Well, I see you've read through this forum pretty thoroughly, as I've only said I'm Canadian about half a dozen times.

you know i realy dont care about any of this.

Strange how you stopped caring about this when I proved you wrong, isn't it?

there is only one way to prove evolution or creation.

Evidence and the study of such evidence?

and that is to die.

Nope.  Why would you say that?  Evolution is true.  Why this would affect whether or not there is a god makes no sense to me.  Do you worship god?  Or do you worship the bible?  If you worship god, why do you believe a book written by men trying to pass the message of his creation on, rather than his creation (ie the heavens and the earth)?

so it does not matter what people think.


True, it just matters what the evidence tells us.  And what it tells us is that the bible is not to be taken literally.

if you do belilve in evolution. how do you think the world will end?


First off, I don't "believe" in evolution anymore than I "believe" in gravity.
sun death
sun death II


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Posts: 234 | Posted: 05:31 AM on July 18, 2004 | IP
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Oops, wrong thread! Please ignore this one

(Edited by godyag 7/19/2004 at 7:11 PM).


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Posts: 33 | Posted: 7:09 PM on July 19, 2004 | IP
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THE RETURN OF THE .... GUP!

In fact, The reason for a moral and spiritual decline in the US is the loss of Biblical authority lead by the liberal left, and promoted in our school system by the promotion of evolution as fact.

You see, the humanists and atheists of this country attacked the foundation of Christian belief - the Bible.  Without the Bible, christianity is just as flimsy as any other religion or philosopy.  Moreover, to attack the foundation of the Bible, they went after Genesis.  

Today, we have this false notion that there must somehow be a separation of church and state.  The activist judges and liberal left in our country support this position, even though it has absolutely no basis in our constitution.

I challenge any person here to find the words "separation of church and state" in the US Constitution.  They are simply not in there.  

Moreover, we can easily tell that removing religion from public schools, buildings, etc was NOT the intention of the 'framers' of the constitution.  After our great nation was started, these same men who wrote our constitution performed the congressional act of allocating federal dollars to print thousands of copies of the Bible with the explicit intention of using them in public schools.  Because every act of congress is recorded, anyone can look back and see this action was taken by the VERY SAME PEOPLE who wrote the consitution.  

Therefore we can safely say that the attack on religous freedoms perpetrated on a daily basis by organizations such as the ACLU are anti-constitutional and anti-american.  

I have said it before on this board - Before Bibles were outlawed in our public schools, chewing gum in the classroom was a major concern... now we are happy if our kids don't bring a gun into school, or if we get through a whole month without a shooting.  I can't imagine elementary and middle school kids having sex in the classrooms in the 50's ... yet it's commonplace in today's public school classrooms.
 


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thank you gup,  we need more people like you on this site.

TQ i now belive that you are jelous that you are Canadian and not American. jelous you can not live in the home of the brave and the land of the FREE.

bibles made to be used in public schools i did not know about that.  its a good thing to know.


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gup
Before Bibles were outlawed in our public schools, chewing gum in the classroom was a major concern... now we are happy if our kids don't bring a gun into school, or if we get through a whole month without a shooting.  I can't imagine elementary and middle school kids having sex in the classrooms in the 50's ... yet it's commonplace in today's public school classrooms.


It's funny gup.  Before you ran off, I posted a study showing that the US is one of the most religous countries in the world. It also has one of the highest crime rates in the world.  Japan is one of the least religous countries in the world, and it has one of the lowest crime rates.  In fact, this trend seems pretty common-more religous=more crime ridden.  Once again, since you didn't answer last time, how does this fit in with what you are stating?


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TQ i now belive that you are jelous that you are Canadian and not American. jelous you can not live in the home of the brave and the land of the FREE.

 

(Edited by TQ 7/22/2004 at 10:34 PM).


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Posts: 234 | Posted: 10:19 PM on July 22, 2004 | IP
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Hey I am Canadian as well, cool.

I am not sure I believe that religion causes higher crime rates... it may be that religion is popular among people who experience high amounts of crime though..

I realize that TQ wasn't implying either situation was true, just that there could be a correlation between the two.

Anyway, it is an interesting observation.


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Posts: 33 | Posted: 10:08 AM on July 23, 2004 | IP
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Quote from Gup20 at 11:26 AM on July 22, 2004 :
I challenge any person here to find the words "separation of church and state" in the US Constitution.  They are simply not in there.  


FirstAmendment


Bill of Rights
Amendment I

Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the government for a redress of grievances.



Your right Gup, the exact words "separation of church and state" do not exist.  It is much more general than that.

Also, it wasn't in the original constitution, it was an amendment (if that was what you mean by not being in the original constitution)

But the ninth amendment states that shouldn't matter:

Amendment IX

The enumeration in the Constitution, of certain rights, shall not be construed to deny or disparage others retained by the people.






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Posts: 33 | Posted: 10:20 AM on July 23, 2004 | IP
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Hi Gup, its been a while!

Now I just read your bit there and I wondered how much of an American issue the whole evolution in schools thing is.

Now, in England where I live there is debate on, say, the teaching of creationism and evolution, but it is limited to select private (religious) schools that cater specifically to parents who wish their children to be taught about creationism or that evolution is more theory than fact.

The general state cirriculum deals with evolution as a fact- and it is not such a hot topic here, as it is stateside.

TQ and godyag, whats the Canadian perspective on this?


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Posts: 92 | Posted: 5:31 PM on July 23, 2004 | IP
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TQ and godyag, whats the Canadian perspective on this?


Well, put it this way:  I didn't know there was such a thing as creationism until about 1-1 1/2 years ago, so....

I am not sure I believe that religion causes higher crime rates... it may be that religion is popular among people who experience high amounts of crime though..

I realize that TQ wasn't implying either situation was true, just that there could be a correlation between the two.

It's an interesting connection, but the reasons for crime are never simplistic.  It does however serve to invalidate gups "theory"  that the US is being overrun with humanistic atheists, and that's why crime is so high.

Hey I am Canadian as well, cool.

Saskatoon.  You?


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Posts: 234 | Posted: 9:18 PM on July 23, 2004 | IP
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I grew up in a semi-religous household, so I knew about the creation story and that some people believed in it from a young age.

But, I never really considered it deeply until it was mentioned in grade 10.  I went to a public high school (Winnipeg, Manitoba), and as part of our physical geography course we learned about the origin of the earth.

Now, our teacher explain that by law he had to teach us both creationism and evolution (or more specifically the current geological history of the earth).  

So, I was taught both... but really, our teacher only spent about 5 min on creation and the rest of the class on evolution.  His portrayal of creation was biased, and most people walked away thinking it was ridiculous.

I never heard anything about creation in University, and I studied geology and geophysics!  I remember seeing pamphlets for a debate, but most of us students were busy and never gave it any attention.

It is too bad, I am sure I would have enjoyed it.  It wasn't until a few months ago when I came across creationism on a forum that my interest was really sparked, and hence I found this forum.

I consider creation a hypothesis, while evolution a theory (where theory is a hypothesis that has become widely accepted, and passed experimental testing).  It is fine to teach evolution in schools, as long as it is presented along side it's geologic problems.  I admit that it is probably presented poorly, and with a bias, but 5 min in a 45 min class on the earth's origins is good enough.  

I think it is important to expose people to creation at an early age (along side evolution) so they know what it is when dealing with people who hand out pamphlets and approach them on the street trying pushing creation (this does happen), or come across it in a forum.  Just because I don't believe in it does not mean I treat it like it is not still there.

p.s. I am living in Calgary now : )




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Posts: 33 | Posted: 6:12 PM on July 26, 2004 | IP
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Calgary eh?  Not all that far away from me.  Big surprise- a geologist in the oil industry living in Calgary.  Where else would you be? ;)


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Posts: 234 | Posted: 6:25 PM on July 26, 2004 | IP
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Lol, yea.  My choice was to work up north in the mines, or in Calgary oil patch (if I wanted to stay in Canada).



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Posts: 33 | Posted: 10:40 AM on July 27, 2004 | IP
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Strange how once again gup is shown wrong and *poof*, he's gone.  How about you antievokid, anything else you want to be proven wrong on?

P.S.  It's land of the free and home of the brave


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