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This used to be a lively place, but no one's posted here since July...  I guess the creationists are getting tired of having their old arguements ripped to shreds and they don't have any new ones...  Maybe evolution is on the verge of being universally accepted?
 


Posts: 1664 | Posted: 4:01 PM on September 3, 2004 | IP
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Nah, I think it's more likely that they just can't think up any new lies.


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Posts: 234 | Posted: 07:28 AM on September 4, 2004 | IP
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Maybe I should become a creationist, just to keep this place alive.

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Posts: 33 | Posted: 2:43 PM on September 7, 2004 | IP
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Everyones moved to the new site at www.4forums.com

 


Posts: 31 | Posted: 9:28 PM on September 7, 2004 | IP
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nope, been there.  That's dead too


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Posts: 234 | Posted: 03:37 AM on September 8, 2004 | IP
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"the forum has gone into VF!! get the crash cart!"

Or should we advertise?

"Wanted: YEC protagonist(s) for online debate with godless evolutionists, good english skills desirable, flexible hours, and as much copy pasting as you desire".


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Posts: 92 | Posted: 10:34 AM on September 10, 2004 | IP
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LOL

That ad should be planted in a bunch of YEC forums... no doubt they will assemble a missionary party to come over and re-introduce God to our dammed souls.





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Posts: 33 | Posted: 3:07 PM on September 10, 2004 | IP
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*groan*

You want a good example of the "copy/paste" type (other than Gup) check out this "debate"

Beowulf 210
or this:
Beowulf 210 #2

This guy demonstrates all the traits of a creationut.  He cuts/pastes all his arguments, he does the old "hit and run" routine (change the tack of the argument on the fly), he quote mines, and he is incredibly dense.  My favorite is where he accuses me of being close minded because I admit that floods do happen, but I can't see how that automatically means the Noachian flood occurred.


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Posts: 234 | Posted: 11:38 PM on September 11, 2004 | IP
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I'm a creationest and we do not lie TQ. I ready to take ya all one!!!1


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Posts: 451 | Posted: 4:07 PM on August 9, 2007 | IP
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I'm a creationest and we do not lie TQ. I ready to take ya all one!!!1

Please, do you even know what evolution is?
And some creationists are notorious liars...
 


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Yea i do, Its the theory of a rock turning into a cell, the cell becoming a fish that sprouted legs and walked on land which turned into a dinosaur which turned into a bird. The Human evolution is false. if it did happen then all the apes would have evolved into us and there wouldn't be anymore today. Also evolution is suppost to make a species stronger, more deadly, etc. But we humans "evolved" into patheticly weak creatures.


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Yea i do, Its the theory of a rock turning into a cell

This has nothing to do with the theory of evolution, so I was right, you have no idea what evolution is.

The Human evolution is false

No it's not, it's valid.  Why else would we be so similar to chimpanzees?  Why else would we share 7 endogenous retroviruses with them.  
From here:Chimp/HumanConnection

"The fresh unraveling of chimpanzee DNA allows an unprecedented gene-to-gene comparison with the human genome, mapped in 2001, and makes plain the evolutionary processes through which chimps and humans arose from a common ancestor about 6 million years ago."

Human evolution is a fact.

if it did happen then all the apes would have evolved into us and there wouldn't be anymore today.

Wrong, that's not how evolution works.  Do yourself a favor and learn a little about how evolutin really works!

Also evolution is suppost to make a species stronger, more deadly, etc.

Wrong again, evolution has no goals save the survival of a species.  

But we humans "evolved" into patheticly weak creatures.

So what, we dominate the surface of the earth, our species population keeps expanding, this is evolution in action.  Doesn't matter how weak and pathetic we are, our intelligence more than makes up for our physical frailties.  And this is best explained by the theory of evolution.

Like I said and you've so eloquently proven, you don't understand the theory of evolution.
 


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another thing. wat killed the dinosaurs?



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Posts: 451 | Posted: 11:59 AM on August 11, 2007 | IP
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"another thing. wat killed the dinosaurs?"

An asteroid seems very likely. A mass disease more unlikely but also possible. I have a question for creationists. If the world was only 8 thousand years old (I think thats what you guys think but i could be wrong so don't shoot me on that one) then how did the dinos become extinct? And if you mention the flood or something silly like that then there is no way that there would be this many people inhabiting the world.
 


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another thing. wat killed the
dinosaurs?


What do you think killed them and why?
 


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noahs flood


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noahs flood

Impossible.
 


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I thought that noah took two of each animal. So you are saying that he disobeyed gods orders and did not take the dinos with him, or did he take the dinos with him?
 


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he took two of each dino on the ark


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Posts: 451 | Posted: 10:28 AM on August 12, 2007 | IP
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he took two of each dino on the ark

Ridiculously impossible!
 


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how is that impossible?


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Posts: 451 | Posted: 11:24 AM on August 16, 2007 | IP
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how is that impossible?

Well....

Ark's size:

Its length was 300 cubits (450 feet, or 135 meters); its width was 50 cubits (75 feet, or 22.5 meters); it had three stories and its height was 30 cubits (45 feet, or 13.5 meters).


--Creationist source...

Here's the simple math:

Volume = length x width x height

With that formula, we have the Ark's volume, of:

1,518,750 cubic feet = 450 feet x 75 feet x 45 feet





1,518,750 cubic feet, Creationest6. That's assuming that all of that space will be dedicated to storing live animals. What about their food? Herbivorous dinosaurs consume food all day long. The vast majority of the boat's space would have to be left up to just storing food.

Let's assume that Noah is smart enough to bring only baby dinosaurs on the ark. With a very generous estimate of a 2-foot-long, 10-inch-wide, 1-foot-high baby dinosaur, we have 20 cubic feet. Multiply that by 2, naturally, and we have 40 cubic feet, occupied by two baby sauropods. There are more than 15 species of sauropods, though; 15 x 40 = 600 cubic feet occupied by the baby sauropods alone. Sauropods are just one genus in the group of animals classified as dinosaurs. There are nearly 2,000 genera of dinosaur!

600 x 2,000 = 1,200,000 cubic feet that must be reserved just for dinosaurs. That is completely ignoring the insurmountable amount of space required to store their food, which would rot while it sat on the ark. And, for the record, the Bible mentions nothing about all the food Noah bothered to store on it.

Baby dinosaurs without food require 75% of the ark's storage capacity!

Yeah, no way.



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Yea, but remember, mosst dinos where not very large, most were about the size of a sheep. And how do u no that plant eaters a ate food all day long.


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Creationest6, the math is mostly hypothetical. You could cut the amount of space I propose is required in half for all I care, and your argument is still screwed.


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how is that impossible?

Not enough water on earth to completely flood it.  No evidence of a flood that covered the earth.  Impossible that only a pair of animals could repopulate the earth in such a short time.  There's a couple of reasons why it's impossible.
 


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here is proof for the flood.

What conceivable mechanism could have produced the vast geological transformation of the earth evident all around us in a single year-long Flood event? Answering this question correctly has been a major focus of mine for the past 25 years.

My conclusion is that the Flood was one facet of a larger global-scale tectonic cataclysm. A key aspect of this catastrophe was the rapid sinking, in conveyor belt fashion, of the pre-Flood ocean tectonic plates into the earth's interior. The energy required for the process was derived from the earth's gravity acting on the excess weight of these cold ocean plates relative to the hotter and less dense mantle rock into which they slid. Decades of laboratory experiments attest to the fact that, under stress, mantle rock, at temperatures estimated for the earth's interior, can weaken by factors of billions or more. My work on this problem has primarily involved computer experiments that apply the properties of silicate rock, as measured in these laboratory experiments, to the setting of the earth's mantle. These calculations demonstrate that a catastrophic instability can indeed occur in a planet with the size and structure of the earth. This mechanism for the Flood cataclysm has become known as catastrophic plate tectonics. My latest modeling results are described in a paper presented at the Fifth International Conference on Creationism in August 2003. It is true that evolutionists generally feel secure today, even in the face of compelling creationist arguments, because of their utter confidence in the geological time scale. Even if they cannot provide a naturalistic mechanism for macroevolution, they appeal to the 'fact of evolution,' by which they mean an interpretation of earth history in which they believe there has been a succession of different types of plants and animals in a drama spanning many hundreds of millions of years. The Bible, by contrast, paints a radically different picture of our planet's history. In particular, it describes a point in time when God catastrophically destroyed the earth with essentially all its life. The only consistent way to interpret the geological record in light of this event described so vividly in the Biblical texts is to understand that the fossil-bearing rocks are the result of a massive global cataclysm that occurred only a few thousand years ago and lasted but a year. This Biblical interpretation of the rock record implies the animals and plants preserved as fossils were all contemporaries, all living on earth at the same time prior to the cataclysm. This means trilobites, dinosaurs, and mammals all dwelled on the planet at once, and they all perished together in this world-destroying cataclysm. Since the time scale is such a key issue in the interpretation of the geological record, this site also gives considerable emphasis to compelling new radioisotope evidence for the planet's young age.




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here is proof for the flood.

All this nonsense has been completely debunked!  Show us how there could be a global flood if there is not enough water to cover the planet!  Conveyor belt plate tectonics?!?!  The movement of the earth's tectonic plates generates heat, if the plates moved as fast as this ridiculous article claims, the surface of the earth would have been vaporized!  
Not to mention the number of civilizations that were supposedly wiped out by the flood, yet have historic records that span before the flood, during the flood and after the flood.
No a global flood has been thouroughly proven impossible.

 


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If god wants to flood the earth he could. thats the problem with u Athiests. u try 2 explain spiritual things with science.


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If god wants to flood the earth he could. thats the problem with u Athiests. u try 2 explain spiritual things with science.


No, that's the other side's problem. Atheists want people to stop doing that by means of Young Earth Creationism and Intelligent Design. They are fraudulent science.


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If god wants to flood the earth he could. thats the problem with u Athiests. u try 2 explain spiritual things with science.

Then how do you explain the evidence that shows us that God didn't flood the earth?  
 


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there is actually evidence of a major water catastrophe that destroyed hundreds of thousands of animals.


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there is actually evidence of a major water catastrophe that destroyed hundreds of thousands of animals.


Indeed, floods that small happen quite frequently.


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there is actually evidence of a major water catastrophe that destroyed hundreds of thousands of animals.

But absolutely no evidence of a world wide flood and a huge amount of evidence against it.
 


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