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i was wondering: what ethnicity do those who believe the theory of Creationism believe Adam and Eve were?

Please give me some answers!
 


Posts: 292 | Posted: 07:14 AM on May 4, 2005 | IP
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I believe that mankind is one race, not several, and adam and eve contained the genetic code for all now known "races" and those traits became regional after the tower of babel incident



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yeah, you see, i read that somewhere...but i still find it unusual. What would they have looked like, though? I mean, seriously...

And all those people back then living for centuries...when did that stop happening? e.g. Adam lived for something like 930 years!
 


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I believe that mankind is one race, not several,

Race is a meaningless term in biology.  All mankind is one species.

and adam and eve contained the genetic code for all now known "races"

I don't understand this, the average human has about 120 neutral mutations in their genetic makeup, are you saying Adam and Eve's genetic code contained EVERY mutation that has ever manifested itself in mankind???

those traits became regional after the tower of babel incident

Any evidence that the Tower of Babel ever happened?

And how is this claim supported by the fossil record of evolving human ancestors?  Neanderthals were genetically distinct from humans, it looks like they didn't breed with humans, they were a seperate species, what was their relation to Adam and Eve?
 


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thats exactly what i meant, i used the word race since i figured it would be better understood, but obviously not.. i agree, mankind is one species.

i beleive that when they were created, adam and eves genetic code contained all of the genetic information present in all humans of all time yes... obviously mutations occurr, but these all have been proven to occurr as a result of a loss in genetic information, not a gain... think of adam and eve as the original copy, and each generation after them resulted in a slight loss of information similar to what you'd expect in any copying environment.. if information was added to mankind's genetic code, where did it come from? nay, information contained in our genes has only ever been lost, and cannot be re-gained, excepting through the combination of two gene pools which contain the loss of different information... sort of like if you line up two different pieces of swiss cheese, you end up covering up some of the holes.... this is why your offspring will be more likely to be genetic 'mutations' if you have offspring with a close relative as opposed to the most distant available...
adam and ever were created genetically perfect, and after the fall of mankind, our bodies changed and information started to disappear. this makes complete sense to me, and definately more sense than having to explain where all the vast amounts of varied genetic code came from.. thats a far larger problem to solve.



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actually, you can't say that, because the scientific community at large is at debate about whether or not neanderthals are of the same species as us humans. evidence uncovered in december 1998 (see News in Science - Neanderthal Genes)
in any case... one thing i don't understand about evolution is what science you use to explain the arise of a new species which you require yourself to believe in. i fail to see how any living thing is capable of producing offspring which are of a different species...
and obviously you have to believe it occurred, because we all trace back to the same first living cell right?

i wouldn't say i have definitive proof of babel, but the genealogy of the bible accounts for the origin's of all nations, and it makes sense to me.


how does evolution account for the different skin colours and various facial distinctions of mankind found throughout the world, including hair colour, bone structure, common characteristics etc.








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but these all have been proven to occurr as a result of a loss in genetic information, not a gain...

This is untrue, this has NOT been proved, mutations can and have occurred with an increase of genetic information.  Mutations have been proven to be able to increase the size of the genome and add novel new structures.  Please back up your statement that mutations result in a loss of information because this is plainly impossible.  The average human has a little over 100 mutations, are you saying that your genes are less complete than your parents?  It doesn't make sense, if all mutations are a loss of genetic information, this should be easily observable between parents and offspring, but this is just not the case.  

think of adam and eve as the original copy, and each generation after them resulted in a slight loss of information similar to what you'd expect in any copying environment..

What is a copying invironment?  Increases in genome size and novel new structures arising HAVE been directly observed, your point is disproved.

if information was added to mankind's genetic code, where did it come from?

Mutations.  You don't seem to understand information as it pertains to genetics.  As I said there are various ways the genome can increae in size and change function.

nay, information contained in our genes has only ever been lost, and cannot be re-gained, excepting through the combination of two gene pools which contain the loss of different information...

And yet we have observed novel new traits, "new information', arising in organisms.  We've seen it, it happens, you are wrong.

adam and ever were created genetically perfect, and after the fall of mankind, our bodies changed and information started to disappear.

What does gentically perfect mean?

this makes complete sense to me, and definately more sense than having to explain where all the vast amounts of varied genetic code came from.. thats a far larger problem to solve.

This makes sense to you because you haven't a clue how gentics works.  Increasing genetic information is not a problem, we have observed how it happens, we know the mechanisms that cause it and they have been directly observed.
 


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actually, you can't say that, because the scientific community at large is at debate about whether or not neanderthals are of the same species as us humans. evidence uncovered in december 1998 (see News in Science - Neanderthal Genes)

While it's not conclusive, the bulk of the evidence supports that Neanderthals were not the same species as modern humans.  Your research is 7 years out of date.  From here:
Neanderthal

"New York University paleoanthropologist Katerina Harvati said Neanderthals should be considered a separate species from Homo sapiens, and not just a sub-species.
"We interpret the evidence presented here as supporting the view that Neanderthals represent an extinct human species and therefore refute the regional continuity model for Europe," she and colleagues wrote in the Proceedings of the National Academy of Sciences."

in any case... one thing i don't understand about evolution is what science you use to explain the arise of a new species which you require yourself to believe in. i fail to see how any living thing is capable of producing offspring which are of a different species...
and obviously you have to believe it occurred, because we all trace back to the same first living cell right?


And right here is one of your major problems, according to the theory of evolution no living thing would produce an offspring which is a different species.  You fail to understand that individual organisms don't evolve, populations of organisms evolve.  So no, I don't believe that an organism gave birth to a different species, this is not supported by the evidence and evolution does not claim that it did happen.

wouldn't say i have definitive proof of babel, but the genealogy of the bible accounts for the origin's of all nations, and it makes sense to me.

How can the Tower of Babel account for the origin of all nations when there are accounts of people and nations predating the Tower of Babel?

how does evolution account for the different skin colours and various facial distinctions of mankind found throughout the world, including hair colour, bone structure, common characteristics etc.

Mutation, genetic drift, sexual selection, natural selection.
 


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