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This question is for those Creationists who believe the bible is an accurate and undeniable depiction of Earth's history.

According to popular Creationists beliefs the Earth was created approximately 4,000 years BCE, give or take a few years, and according to the geneology in the bible the flood occurred around 2350 BCE.  

My question is this:  If there was a world wide flood that destroyed all people except for Noah's family then why is there no break in the developement of civilizations that were around during 2350 and after?

 


Posts: 1 | Posted: 7:00 PM on February 3, 2009 | IP
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And Answers-In_Genesis can't explain why dendrochronology shows an 8000 year sequence before present.

Biblical Chronology and the 8,000-Year-Long Bristlecone Pine Tree-Ring Chronology


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Pogge:” This is the volume of a sphere with a 62 kilometer (about 39 miles) radius, which is considerably smaller than the 2,000 mile radius of the Earth.”
Wikipedia:” For Earth, the mean radius is 6,371.009 km(≈3,958.761 mi; ≈3,440.069 nmi).”
Wisp to Lester (on Pogge): Do you admit he was wrong about the basics?
Lester: No

 


Posts: 1747 | Posted: 9:52 PM on February 3, 2009 | IP
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Yeah, i never got a good explanation of those...

I got a few no good and mutually exclusive ones instead.

There is no mention of the Flood in the records of Egyptian or Mesopotamian civilizations which existed at the time. Biblical dates (I Kings 6:1, Gal 3:17, various generation lengths given in Genesis) place the Flood 1300 years before Solomon began the first temple. We can construct reliable chronologies for near Eastern history, particularly for Egypt, from many kinds of records from the literate cultures in the near East. These records are independent of, but supported by, dating methods such as dendrochronology and carbon-14. The building of the first temple can be dated to 950 B.C. +/- some small delta, placing the Flood around 2250 B.C. Unfortunately, the Egyptians (among others) have written records dating well back before 2250 B.C. (the Great Pyramid, for example dates to the 26th century B.C., 300 years before the Biblical date for the Flood). No sign in Egyptian inscriptions of this global flood around 2250 B.C.

How did the human population rebound so fast? Genealogies in Genesis put the Tower of Babel about 110 to 150 years after the Flood [Gen 10:25, 11:10-19]. How did the world population regrow so fast to make its construction (and the city around it) possible? Similarly, there would have been very few people around to build Stonehenge and the Pyramids, rebuild the Sumerian and Indus Valley civilizations, populate the Americas, etc.

Why do other flood myths vary so greatly from the Genesis account? Flood myths are fairly common worldwide, and if they came from a common source, we should expect similarities in most of them. Instead, the myths show great diversity.  For example, people survive on high land or trees in the myths about as often as on boats or rafts, and no other flood myth includes a covenant not to do it again.

Edit: Many creationists believe the world will be destroyed again, with fire or something.
What's the value of the rainbow guaranteed covenant then?

Not to use water again? Gee, thanks!


(Edited by wisp 2/3/2009 at 11:44 PM).


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Ha Ha. (...) I've told you people endlessly about my evidence but you don't want to show me yours - you just assert.
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Would we see a mammal by the water's edge "suddenly" start breathing underwater(w/camera effect of course)?
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Where does oil come from, according to Creationism?

http://www.answersingenesis.org/articles/am/v2/n1/origin-of-oil
Conclusion:
All the available evidence points to a recent catastrophic origin for the world’s vast oil deposits, from plant and other organic debris, consistent with the biblical account of earth history. Vast forests grew on land and water surfaces17 in the pre-Flood world, and the oceans teemed with diatoms and other tiny photosynthetic organisms. Then during the global Flood cataclysm, the forests were uprooted and swept away. Huge masses of plant debris were rapidly buried in what thus became coal beds, and organic matter generally was dispersed throughout the many catastrophically deposited sedimentary rock layers. The coal beds and fossiliferous sediment layers became deeply buried as the Flood progressed. As a result, the temperatures in them increased sufficiently to rapidly generate crude oils and natural gas from the organic matter in them. These subsequently migrated until they were trapped in reservoir rocks and structures, thus accumulating to form today’s oil and gas deposits.


Ok, what did Noah use to paint the ark? Pitch (a form of tar).

Where does it come from? Oil and coal beds.



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Scientists assert (by Lester):

Ha Ha. (...) I've told you people endlessly about my evidence but you don't want to show me yours - you just assert.
porkchop
Would we see a mammal by the water's edge "suddenly" start breathing underwater(w/camera effect of course)?
Contact me at youdebate.1wr@gishpuppy.com
 


Posts: 3037 | Posted: 10:41 AM on February 12, 2009 | IP
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Quote from wisp at 11:41 AM on February 12, 2009 :
Where does oil come from, according to Creationism?

http://www.answersingenesis.org/articles/am/v2/n1/origin-of-oil
Conclusion:
All the available evidence points to a recent catastrophic origin for the world’s vast oil deposits, from plant and other organic debris, consistent with the biblical account of earth history. Vast forests grew on land and water surfaces17 in the pre-Flood world, and the oceans teemed with diatoms and other tiny photosynthetic organisms. Then during the global Flood cataclysm, the forests were uprooted and swept away. Huge masses of plant debris were rapidly buried in what thus became coal beds, and organic matter generally was dispersed throughout the many catastrophically deposited sedimentary rock layers. The coal beds and fossiliferous sediment layers became deeply buried as the Flood progressed. As a result, the temperatures in them increased sufficiently to rapidly generate crude oils and natural gas from the organic matter in them. These subsequently migrated until they were trapped in reservoir rocks and structures, thus accumulating to form today’s oil and gas deposits.


Ok, what did Noah use to paint the ark? Pitch (a form of tar).

Where does it come from? Oil and coal beds.



Come now, in creationists terms thats an easy question, since god made earth, god made oil as well.

 


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