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Well, the claims that dinosaur lungs couldn't evolve into avian lungs have never looked so weak!  Check out this article:
DinosaursBreathedLikeBirds
 


Posts: 1664 | Posted: 02:33 AM on July 14, 2005 | IP
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Actually thats not proof. You are guessing the internal organs of an extinct creature resemble the internal orgins of todays common waterfowl.


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Posts: 451 | Posted: 3:27 PM on August 9, 2007 | IP
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Actually thats not proof.

Actually, it's evidence and pretty good evidence at that.

You are guessing the internal organs of an extinct creature resemble the internal orgins of todays common waterfowl.

Nope, guess you didn't bother to read the article:

"Modern computerized tomography (CT) scans of dinosaur chest cavities five years ago found the apparent remnants of complex, four-chambered hearts more like mammals and birds."

Nobody's guessing here, actual evidence of a complex, 4 chambered heart.  If you want to falsify this claim, present your evidence or shut up.

"Earlier this year, rare soft tissue of a T. rex showed its blood vessels were similar to those of an ostrich."

Once again, no guessing involved, some dinosaur blood vessels were similar to the ostrich (a bird).

"In the new study, O'Connor and his colleague, Leon Claessens of Harvard University, examined Majungatholus atopus, a recently discovered primitive theropod that is several yards long. They found cavities in its vertebral bones similar to those found in birds.
They found that "the pulmonary system of meat-eating dinosaurs such as T. rex in fact shares many structural similarities with that of modern birds," Claessens said."

There ya go, solid evidence, what have you got, besides ignorance, to refute it?


 


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Similar body parts mean nothing. Arachnids look alot like insects but they are an entirely diffrent species.


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Posts: 451 | Posted: 11:43 AM on August 10, 2007 | IP
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Similar body parts mean nothing.

Wrong, it's the basis of classification in biology.
You really know nothing about science...

Arachnids look alot like insects but they are an entirely diffrent species.

And why are they different species?  Because they are anatomically different.  The only explaination for why they are different is evolution.
 


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or they where created that ways by god!



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Posts: 451 | Posted: 10:31 PM on August 10, 2007 | IP
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or they where created that ways by
god!


Then all you have to do is show us evidence that god created them that way and you're all set!  Oh, wait, there's no evidence that god even exists, let alone created anything, looks like you lose again.
 


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you evolutionests are taking the biggest gamble ever. Gambling that the universe created itself. It is also more comforting to know someone really cares 4 u.


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Posts: 451 | Posted: 11:27 PM on August 10, 2007 | IP
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you evolutionests are taking the biggest gamble ever.

It's a gamble to investigate the universe?  I don't see that as a gamble at all.

Gambling that the universe created
itself.


It could have been ceated by god magically or it could have been created by god using natural means, or it could have created itself.

It is also more comforting to know someone really cares 4 u.

Yes it is, wish I could actually believe that.  But there's no evidence that god exists.
 


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so at the same tyme, u are also risking that you wont burn in hell wen u die?


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Posts: 451 | Posted: 11:49 AM on August 11, 2007 | IP
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so at the same tyme, u are also risking that you wont burn in hell wen u die?

I can only be true to myself, I've tried to really believe and I honestly can't.  If I'm wrong and god would send me to hell for that, then he's not worth worshipping.
 


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so you would rather be in agony forever then repent?


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Posts: 451 | Posted: 6:21 PM on August 11, 2007 | IP
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"so you would rather be in agony forever then repent"

Imagine when you die and go up to "heaven" zeus is there with the other gods and he says "you've been punked!" Or instead of zeus you have a little chat with Buddha, or what bout allah.  
 


Posts: 49 | Posted: 7:01 PM on August 11, 2007 | IP
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wat are u talking about?!?


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Posts: 451 | Posted: 8:29 PM on August 11, 2007 | IP
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Basically, how do you know that if Gods exists, which is the right one. What faith is correct? Also before the bible, all those people who believed in zeus et al, what happened to them when they died. Did everyone go to "hell" before the bible?
 


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so you would rather be in agony forever then repent?

No, I'd rather be true to myself than pretend to believe in a god.  What do you do if you really and truely don't believe?  If you've opened your heart and begged god to come into it.  If you desperately WANT to believe but just can't...

As to ProEvo's point, how do you know you're worshipping the right god?  If there is a real god and it's not yours, he might condemn you to hell for worshipping a false god and place me in paradise for being true to myself.  Are you willing to take that risk?
 


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look at it this way. right know u have 4 possibilities for wen u di. If you dont belive in god: u either disolve into nothingness. or, u burn in hell. Belive in god and the other 2 possibilities are: disolve into nothingness or live in heaven forever. wat would u rather do? #1 or #2?


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Posts: 451 | Posted: 9:29 PM on August 11, 2007 | IP
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look at it this way. right know u have 4 possibilities for wen u di. If you dont belive in god: u either disolve into nothingness. or, u burn in hell. Belive in god and the other 2 possibilities are: disolve into nothingness or live in heaven forever. wat would u rather do? #1 or #2?

Wrong again.  What if you believe in the wrong god?  When you include unprovable deities, there is an infinite number of possibilities.  What if the real god is Allah?  What if the real god is Zeus?  What if the real god is an infinite number of possible gods we know nothing about.
You failed to answer my question, what if I really want to believe in god, but he doesn't reveal himself to me?  
You ask a lot of questions but you don't like to answer them, do you....
 


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"look at it this way. right know u have 4 possibilities for wen u di. If you dont belive in god: u either disolve into nothingness. or, u burn in hell. Belive in god and the other 2 possibilities are: disolve into nothingness or live in heaven forever. wat would u rather do? #1 or #2?"

What about reincarnation? and as said before, what if its the wrong god that you worship. Also what happened to those people who were alive and died before the bible? Did everyone go to hell?
 


Posts: 49 | Posted: 9:51 PM on August 11, 2007 | IP
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they could be real, but hope they are not! Every other god i have heard about demands human sacrifice, or that you starve yourself to death, or kill anyone whoever doesnt belive your religon, or be a suicied bomber, or demand you dont crush a bug because it might be grandma. Jesus does not request that.


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Posts: 451 | Posted: 10:19 PM on August 11, 2007 | IP
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So you admit there are far more than 4 possibilities.

And you still are avoiding my question.  What if I really want to believe in god but he doesn't reveal himself to me...
 


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they could be real, but hope they are not! Every other god i have heard about demands human sacrifice, or that you starve yourself to death, or kill anyone whoever doesnt belive your religon, or be a suicied bomber, or demand you dont crush a bug because it might be grandma. Jesus does not request that.

What about the crusades when christians went to reclaim the holy name in the name of the church? What about christian martyrs?
So you just chose a religion thats the most suited to your lifestyle, which could be wrong but hey its the easiest to follow?
 


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the crusades were rong. they were led by maniacs who went to far.


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Posts: 451 | Posted: 10:28 PM on August 11, 2007 | IP
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Well, then the people who blow themselves up are also maniacs. If you know a bit about islam then you would know that it does not condone blowing yourself up. But crazy people interpret it differently.


 


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not revealing himself is a test of faith u could say. if you want to belive in god, then belive.


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Posts: 451 | Posted: 10:35 PM on August 11, 2007 | IP
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Let me ask you this. Before the bible, what happened to people that died, did they all go to hell?
 


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No. If they believd in god and believed in a coming messiah they went to heaven.


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No. If they believd in god and believed in a coming messiah they went to heaven.

But they did not know about the "messiah" because the bible did not exist. And they did believe in god, just happens that there were a few of them.

So if other religions believe in a god and a messiah then they go to heaven? So the bible is not 100% correct then.
 


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no. prophets fortold the coming of the messia who would save all people from their sins. Yes they would. if the belived in The christian god and messia. but in all other religons, there were several gods, not one.


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no. prophets fortold the coming of the messia who would save all people from their sins. Yes they would. if the belived in The christian god and messia. but in all other religons, there were several gods, not one.


Hm, that's odd. I'm not quite sure I agree with your math, Creationest6. Judaism, I recall, tells of only one God, and it is the monotheistic religion responsible for giving birth to Christianity.


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http://scienceblogs.com/pharyngula/2007/08/wow_1.php
http://scienceblogs.com/pharyngula/2007/08/a_triumphant_beginning.php
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wich means wat?


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It means Christianity was not the only monotheistic religion at the time.


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http://ummcash.org/officers.html
http://scienceblogs.com/pharyngula/2007/08/wow_1.php
http://scienceblogs.com/pharyngula/2007/08/a_triumphant_beginning.php
We're official!
 


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christianity didnt exist at the time



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