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Quote from gluteus_maximus at 7:51 PM on April 23, 2009 :
I am referring to life ,,something that contains genetic information, can reproduce offspring that resemble itself, grows and develops, controls cellular organization and conditions including metabolism and homeostasis, and responds to its environment. In a laboratory.

Still mentioning genetic information.

Can you tell us what it is?




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Quote from gluteus_maximus at 6:39 PM on April 23, 2009 :
There are so many points posted here that I would be sitting in front of the computer to try to address them all.

Well, that is one way to blow off all the posts that refute your claims, I guess.


How is it that life started from mere unorganized chemicals and why cannot biologist do it in the modern laboratory?

What are unorganized chemicals?





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Quote from gluteus_maximus at 4:44 PM on April 23, 2009 :
I just can't believe that chance creation created such complex beings especially mammals, just like if I saw a computer lying in the street, I would reasonably conclude that it had an intelligent designer.


I just can't believe that of all the deities written baout by ancient superstitious nomads, Jehovah is the one true God who created the universe on a whim in 6 24 hour days and created the first Man by blowing on a pile of dirt.

I just can't believe it, thus it cannot be so.




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Quote from derwood at 1:36 PM on April 24, 2009 :
Quote from gluteus_maximus at 4:44 PM on April 23, 2009 :
I just can't believe that chance creation created such complex beings especially mammals, just like if I saw a computer lying in the street, I would reasonably conclude that it had an intelligent designer.


I just can't believe that of all the deities written baout by ancient superstitious nomads, Jehovah is the one true God who created the universe on a whim in 6 24 hour days and created the first Man by blowing on a pile of dirt.

I just can't believe it, thus it cannot be so.





You can put me down in the 'I don't believe it camp' too.... the camp for finding it hard to believe in a biblical God, that is.



 


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I didn't even notice the edit, I never think someones post should be editted unless theres a clear indication of a violation or something.. So I don't share the admins decision in that edit.
Oh, ok.

And well, I think in that case, I go to a forum where on creationist is really just like a wall, doesn't accept anything, and just spews out the same crap no matter how many times we correct him.. But at such a point, to me, its about the other readers, I'm sure there are readers here that don't post, are just lurking around.
Who cares about a few creationists if you can maybe convince people with doubts, who the liars are and who the scientists are :P
Yeah... I've been told that before. I have a hard time considering (or caring about) it...

I'm used to 1 on 1 debates. And if you're going to bullshit me, the debate is pretty much over. Normally it's not like we're trying to impress other people.

But i guess that if i keep replying (over and over again to the same PRATT) is because some part of me does think of that... I don't know...

derwood
gluteus
I am referring to life ,,something that contains genetic information (...)
Still mentioning genetic information.

Can you tell us what it is?
I missed that.

They keep saying "information"... What on Earth do they mean?
Do they even know?
Are they versed on the Theory of Information?

Does this bird contain "mimetic information"?

It got selected because it's good for attack or defense. And that would have no use in the pacific garden of Eden.

And, again, if God gave them the variability... What does that mean? That He did it "just in case"???

Does He know everything or not?
If he does, why act surprised?
If he doesn't, why call him "God"?

Mutations can provide the raw material. Selection makes it seem like "information" (they use that word as if it was crystal clear, which shows that they haven't given it much thought).


0) Setup a random DNA string (application start)

1) Copy the current DNA sequence and mutate it slightly

2) Use the new DNA to render polygons onto a canvas

3) Compare the canvas to the source image

4) If the new painting looks more like the source image than the previous painting did, then overwrite the current DNA with the new DNA

5) repeat from 1


Did that process acquire new information? How? Wasn't that impossible?

You could reply (and you'd be right) that the information was in the model. The program that selected each image had the information.

You can say the same about a combination lock. If i don't have the "information" to open it, but listening to the clicks i know when each number is correct, i acquired the "information" to open it.

Where did that information come from?
From the lock! I was able to read that information.

It's a matter of feedback.

They say that a book couldn't be written by random chance.
The thing is that the text must conform to an observer that validates it as "information". Otherwise it's as random as anything else.

But things can work with no human minds around to capture the moment.

What does it mean information without mind?
Without someone to judge it as information?

Do they mean that God is the mind that judges if creatures live or die?
If He does, He does it through Nature.

Nature holds the answers, and the information.

Organisms, by mutating, are asking for hints. Nature says "No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, , no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, YESSSS!"

It's a tiresome process. Nature can't even answer "close!", because it's regarded as a "no". That's why it takes so much time.
And the "YESSSS!" is, most of the times, a tiny improvement.

Our highest authority and judge is Nature.
Theirs is the biblical Yahweh (and since it doesn't exist it is, ultimately, the Bible).


(Edited by wisp 4/24/2009 at 3:58 PM).


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Scientists assert (by Lester):

Ha Ha. (...) I've told you people endlessly about my evidence but you don't want to show me yours - you just assert.
porkchop
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Our highest authority and judge is Nature.
Theirs is the biblical Yahweh (and since it doesn't exist it is, ultimately, the Bible).

Oh so Yahweh does not exist? I'm glad you set me straight on that. I thought you said you believed in God?

(Edited by gluteus_maximus 5/3/2009 at 6:52 PM).
 


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So?

Does believing in God mean that i have to believe in every single little god that humans have made up?

Nah, don't answer to that.
Answer about information, or hush. Thanks.



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Scientists assert (by Lester):

Ha Ha. (...) I've told you people endlessly about my evidence but you don't want to show me yours - you just assert.
porkchop
Would we see a mammal by the water's edge "suddenly" start breathing underwater(w/camera effect of course)?
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Quote from gluteus_maximus at 6:50 PM on May 3, 2009 :
Our highest authority and judge is Nature.

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This means you do not believe in God.




[size=1](Edited by gluteus_maximus 5/4/2009 at 8:27 PM).

 


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No. It means that i'm talking about evolutionary biology (about which you have nothing to say, apparently).


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Ha Ha. (...) I've told you people endlessly about my evidence but you don't want to show me yours - you just assert.
porkchop
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No, not true! You said
"Our highest authority and judge is Nature"

If u believed in God, you would say Our highest authority is God, not nature. I sense a disconnect here.

 


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I already gave my answer to that.

Do you want to believe that i don't believe in God?
Fine. Suit yourself. I don't care.

You still have to provide some answer to the topic under discussion (which is not me).



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Scientists assert (by Lester):

Ha Ha. (...) I've told you people endlessly about my evidence but you don't want to show me yours - you just assert.
porkchop
Would we see a mammal by the water's edge "suddenly" start breathing underwater(w/camera effect of course)?
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Hold on, you said
"Our highest authority and judge is Nature"

Where does this leave God in your view, some secondary entity lesser then nature?

 


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I already gave my answer to that.

If you're done with the real subjects, please, consider leaving.



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Scientists assert (by Lester):

Ha Ha. (...) I've told you people endlessly about my evidence but you don't want to show me yours - you just assert.
porkchop
Would we see a mammal by the water's edge "suddenly" start breathing underwater(w/camera effect of course)?
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I've just pointed out your disingenuous reply.
You said
"Our highest authority and judge is Nature"

So where does God fit in, is He not really God by your definition?
you need to come up with something better then that!
 


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So where does God fit in,
"He" doesn't. God is infinite. This little universe is not.

Nothing you'd ever understand.

is He not really God by your definition?
"He" is not really God by your definition.

When you say "God" you mean an angry control freak petty little god obsessed with sex and burnt offers.

you need to come up with something better then that!
If you say so...



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Scientists assert (by Lester):

Ha Ha. (...) I've told you people endlessly about my evidence but you don't want to show me yours - you just assert.
porkchop
Would we see a mammal by the water's edge "suddenly" start breathing underwater(w/camera effect of course)?
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So is
"Our highest authority and judge Nature"

Nature is the supreme ruler, not God? Is that what you're saying?

 


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I already replied. You don't seem to get it through your skull.

When i speak about biology, the highest authority is Nature.

When i'm talking about running 100 metters, it's Usain Bolt.

Setting Yahweh as the highest authority in any subject is a fundamental(ist) mistake.



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Scientists assert (by Lester):

Ha Ha. (...) I've told you people endlessly about my evidence but you don't want to show me yours - you just assert.
porkchop
Would we see a mammal by the water's edge "suddenly" start breathing underwater(w/camera effect of course)?
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You are wrong, God, by definition is our highest authority. Get that thru YOUR thick skull!

And you made the bold claim "God is infinite. This little universe is not."

WTF do you know about this universe to make a bold statement like that?

 


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Gluteus -

I'm curious, how do you picture God - in your mind's eye?  And how do people fit into his scheme of things?

Obviously Wisp has an entirely different view of God than you do.  So let's hear you viewpoint of God.
 


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You are wrong,
Oh. Haha!
God, by definition is our highest authority.
On any subject?

What about porn? Hahaha!

You surely have a weird definition.

Get that thru YOUR thick skull!
Is my skull thick?
Oh, i'm offended! I'll report you!! Haha!

Chill out, pal. You're talking about God. Well, about little Yahweh, but trying to extend him to God.

And you made the bold claim "God is infinite. This little universe is not."
What makes it bold?
WTF do you know about this universe to make a bold statement like that?
Nothing you'll ever understand. Definitely nothing that belongs to this forum.



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Scientists assert (by Lester):

Ha Ha. (...) I've told you people endlessly about my evidence but you don't want to show me yours - you just assert.
porkchop
Would we see a mammal by the water's edge "suddenly" start breathing underwater(w/camera effect of course)?
Contact me at youdebate.1wr@gishpuppy.com
 


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Wisp's credibility has taken a nose dive.
Contradicted himself about God, mincing his words.

Orion, I believe u said u were an atheist? We can never know God in this lifetime, God is something that which no greater thing can be thought of.
 


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Wisp's credibility has taken a nose dive.
Contradicted himself about God, mincing his words.
Blah blah blah.
Is God the highest authority regarding porn or not?



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Scientists assert (by Lester):

Ha Ha. (...) I've told you people endlessly about my evidence but you don't want to show me yours - you just assert.
porkchop
Would we see a mammal by the water's edge "suddenly" start breathing underwater(w/camera effect of course)?
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Funny, isn't it - what the creationists decide to reply to and what they decide to ignore.

It says much.


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Indeed. Apparently he doesn't see anything wrong with avoiding real subjects and post unrelated gibberish instead.


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Scientists assert (by Lester):

Ha Ha. (...) I've told you people endlessly about my evidence but you don't want to show me yours - you just assert.
porkchop
Would we see a mammal by the water's edge "suddenly" start breathing underwater(w/camera effect of course)?
Contact me at youdebate.1wr@gishpuppy.com
 


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simply pointing out Wisp's contradictions. What does porn have to do with this?

 


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Nothing. Just as evolutionary biology has nothing to do with God.

So, is God the highest authority on porn or not?



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Scientists assert (by Lester):

Ha Ha. (...) I've told you people endlessly about my evidence but you don't want to show me yours - you just assert.
porkchop
Would we see a mammal by the water's edge "suddenly" start breathing underwater(w/camera effect of course)?
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sorry guys. i know i'm entering this debate quite late and i havent read all 6 million posts but heres a quick qoute that i stumbled upon (literally)

"I contend that we are both atheists. I just believe in one fewer god than you do. When you understand why you dismiss all the other possible gods, you will understand why I dismiss yours." -Stephen F. Roberts

now i know some of you people will want to kill me becuase the qoute uses the wrong definition of athiest but that is not the what's important here.

the important part is: "When you understand why you dismiss all the other possible gods, you will understand why I dismiss yours."

i apologize if this has already been posted and i hope to contribute to this debate in the future

 


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Hello, bobby. Welcome.

I know that phrase very well, but i don't recall that name. Perhaps i even thought it was Dawkins'.

It never gets old. For they have not given it an answer.

http://www.scribd.com/mobile/documents/3988183?query=

I'm reading that right now. "Creation of Evolution". Yahweh's witnesses. It's full of lies.

But the "reasonable" side has lied too. Like saying that the church used to say that the Earth is flat. And that nobody believed Columbus.
That was a lie to make christianism look bad (worse).

We all bought it, and repeated it in schools ad nauseam. Disgusting, really.

I think that to tell lies is a specially hideous way to make people stay in the "reason" side.

With liars like those in answersingenesis.com is almost understandable. They tell you lies so as to prevent you from reasoning. But you have to be a bit willing to fall for that.



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Scientists assert (by Lester):

Ha Ha. (...) I've told you people endlessly about my evidence but you don't want to show me yours - you just assert.
porkchop
Would we see a mammal by the water's edge "suddenly" start breathing underwater(w/camera effect of course)?
Contact me at youdebate.1wr@gishpuppy.com
 


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Have they created life in a laboratory yet?

 


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Close enough for me.
Evolution in a test tube


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Pogge:” This is the volume of a sphere with a 62 kilometer (about 39 miles) radius, which is considerably smaller than the 2,000 mile radius of the Earth.”
Wikipedia:” For Earth, the mean radius is 6,371.009 km(≈3,958.761 mi; ≈3,440.069 nmi).”
Wisp to Lester (on Pogge): Do you admit he was wrong about the basics?
Lester: No

 


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If we can't, that's evidence against abiogenesis.
If we can, that's evidence for intelligent design.

There's nothing they'd take against their delusions.

Hey, gluteus. I answer to all of your crap. You can't answer a simple yes/no question.

Is Yahweh the highest authority on porn?
Yes or no?



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Ha Ha. (...) I've told you people endlessly about my evidence but you don't want to show me yours - you just assert.
porkchop
Would we see a mammal by the water's edge "suddenly" start breathing underwater(w/camera effect of course)?
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Quote from gluteus_maximus at 8:37 PM on May 7, 2009 :
simply pointing out Wisp's contradictions. What does porn have to do with this?



I say again:

Funny, isn't it - what the creationists decide to reply to and what they decide to ignore.

It says much.





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Answer my question: what does porn have to do with it besides the fact you prob overindulge in it yourself.
God is the master of all. Nothing greater can be thought of.
 


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I STILL want to know what creationists and/or ID proponents mean by "information," especially as it pertains to their claim about "new information" being created as a result of evolution.
 


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Answer my question:
You have not made a single intelligent question in all your time here. Most of your questions are not even valid.

What color is the frame of God's sunglasses?

All of your valid ones, even the silliest have been answered.

what does porn have to do with it
Answered.
Here:

What does porn have to do with this?
Nothing. Just as evolutionary biology has nothing to do with God.


If you won't even read, why don't you go away?
You're just a waste of time to this debate.

besides the fact you prob overindulge in it yourself.
"Over"... So... You indulge in it in the right amounts?

I enjoy the porn my lady friends send or recommend me, if you're curious.

God is the master of all.
Is He the master of porn?

Nothing greater can be thought of.
Indeed. That's an easy one, but ok, you said ONE right thing.

None about this debate though...
So again, do us all a favor, and go away. Or stay as a silent reader.

sciborg
I STILL want to know what creationists and/or ID proponents mean by "information," especially as it pertains to their claim about "new information" being created as a result of evolution.
Me too. That's why i started a specific thread.

http://www.youdebate.com/cgi-bin/scarecrow/topic.cgi?forum=3&topic=46248

Only Lester answered. And nothing to the point.


(Edited by wisp 5/12/2009 at 09:43 AM).


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"I enjoy the porn my lady friends send or recommend me, if you're curious"

What a transparent conceited answer that makes me want to barf, your lady friends, my arse! That reply is so absolutely juvenile that you just blew your charade for certain !You sound like one who lives in his mother's basement.
 


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Hahaha! xD

Remember what happens when you try to guess something about me?

I live with my girl and my 3 year old son, who's watching Donald Duck right now.

Here in Argentina we don't have people living in basements.
We don't even have basements.

And i don't lie. Not even over the internet. It's a little principle i live by.

So you're not answering, and you're not addressing things that belong to this forum...

Seriously now, why don't you just go away? =D



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Scientists assert (by Lester):

Ha Ha. (...) I've told you people endlessly about my evidence but you don't want to show me yours - you just assert.
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Hi been away awhile -always curious to see what's been going on in my absence!

To answer the question about information - Don't know if this is  any different to what I've mentioned before -information is the software of genetics. It is the part that tells the hardware what to make and in what amounts and where to send it and for what purpose. There we go -purpose! That's the important distinction about information.It is a coded message that communicates a purpose.


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Richard Lewontin: “We take the side of science in spite of the patent absurdity of some of its constructs in spite of the tolerance of the scientific community for unsubstantiated just-so stories, because we have a prior commitment, a commitment to materialism... no matter how counter-intuitive, no matter how mystifying to the uninitiated. Moreover, that materialism is an absolute, for we cannot allow a Divine Foot in the door”
 


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Replied in the thread 'Information'.

Here: http://www.youdebate.com/cgi-bin/scarecrow/topic.cgi?forum=3&topic=46248



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Scientists assert (by Lester):

Ha Ha. (...) I've told you people endlessly about my evidence but you don't want to show me yours - you just assert.
porkchop
Would we see a mammal by the water's edge "suddenly" start breathing underwater(w/camera effect of course)?
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Quote from Lester10 at 11:17 AM on May 14, 2009 :
Hi been away awhile -always curious to see what's been going on in my absence!

To answer the question about information - Don't know if this is  any different to what I've mentioned before -information is the software of genetics. It is the part that tells the hardware what to make and in what amounts and where to send it and for what purpose. There we go -purpose! That's the important distinction about information.It is a coded message that communicates a purpose.



I was hoping to get something a little more vague and ambiguous...




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"I said I have a doctorate and a university background in anatomy, physiology, biochemistry, physics, chemistry, pathology etc. ..."
 


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Quote from Lester10 at 11:17 AM on May 14, 2009 :

To answer the question about information - Don't know if this is  any different to what I've mentioned before -information is the software of genetics. It is the part that tells the hardware what to make and in what amounts and where to send it and for what purpose. There we go -purpose! That's the important distinction about information.It is a coded message that communicates a purpose.


How do you measure it?



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Pogge:” This is the volume of a sphere with a 62 kilometer (about 39 miles) radius, which is considerably smaller than the 2,000 mile radius of the Earth.”
Wikipedia:” For Earth, the mean radius is 6,371.009 km(≈3,958.761 mi; ≈3,440.069 nmi).”
Wisp to Lester (on Pogge): Do you admit he was wrong about the basics?
Lester: No

 


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Please, here: http://www.youdebate.com/cgi-bin/scarecrow/topic.cgi?forum=3&topic=46248

This topic is about porn now. Thanks.



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Scientists assert (by Lester):

Ha Ha. (...) I've told you people endlessly about my evidence but you don't want to show me yours - you just assert.
porkchop
Would we see a mammal by the water's edge "suddenly" start breathing underwater(w/camera effect of course)?
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Quote from Apoapsis at 4:26 PM on May 8, 2009 :
Close enough for me.
Evolution in a test tube



Close, but yet so very far away.
 


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So?

Would it matter to you?

If they manage to produce life in a test tube, will you drop your belief in YEC?

If there's no difference to you, why don't say so right now, loud and clear?

Wouldn't you say "Yes, well, but it had a designer. So it proves intelligent design".

Would you really say "Damn! Then no God is necessary to create life! I was so very wrong!!!"?


(Edited by wisp 5/14/2009 at 8:50 PM).


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Scientists assert (by Lester):

Ha Ha. (...) I've told you people endlessly about my evidence but you don't want to show me yours - you just assert.
porkchop
Would we see a mammal by the water's edge "suddenly" start breathing underwater(w/camera effect of course)?
Contact me at youdebate.1wr@gishpuppy.com
 


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I enjoy the porn my lady friends send or recommend me, if you're curious.


So this is a lie which u said you don't do?


 


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Haha! Yo won't tempt me to send you what my lady friends send me!

Gotcha!



Do you really have a hard time believing that some people live a life that's more exciting than yours?

I don't lie. Sorry to disappoint you.



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Scientists assert (by Lester):

Ha Ha. (...) I've told you people endlessly about my evidence but you don't want to show me yours - you just assert.
porkchop
Would we see a mammal by the water's edge "suddenly" start breathing underwater(w/camera effect of course)?
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Quote from wisp at 8:49 PM on May 14, 2009 :
[color=teal]So?

If they manage to produce life in a test tube, will you drop your belief in YEC?


Sure, now lets see it happen.



 


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If they manage to produce life in a test tube, will you drop your belief in YEC?

Sure, now lets see it happen.

You might not have to wait long, from here:
RNAorigin

"He has solved a problem that for 20 years has thwarted researchers trying to understand the origin of life — how the building blocks of RNA, called nucleotides, could have spontaneously assembled themselves in the conditions of the primitive earth. The discovery, if correct, should set researchers on the right track to solving many other mysteries about the origin of life. It will also mean that for the first time a plausible explanation exists for how an information-carrying biological molecule could have emerged through natural processes from chemicals on the primitive earth."

Looks like you're getting your wish, we're learning how it happened.


 


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It will also mean that for the first time a plausible explanation exists for how an information-carrying biological molecule could have emerged through natural processes from chemicals on the primitive earth."


Well at least they admit that there is such a thing as information that needs to be explained. Unfortunately the usual problem with evolutionists' palusible stories is that not everyone finds them plausible. In fact we usually think that evolutionists are too easily satisfied with stories only they find plausible and the reason is that they believe it must have happened from the beginning so they have a 'credulity advantage'. (it is an asset in a fictional sense)

Meantime, they say we 'argue from incredulity' and we say their plausible story telling shows how much wishful-thinking plays a part in what they are prepared to accept. They are in fact far too credulous altogether. It all comes down to philisophical presuppositions coloring the landscape.




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Well at least they admit that there is such a thing as information that needs to be explained.

Naturally arising information, who ever denied this?  The problem is that creationists can't define what they mean by information.

Unfortunately the usual problem with evolutionists' palusible stories is that not everyone finds them plausible.

Be specific, what's the problem with RNA arising naturally?  Where did these scientists make mistakes.  You have a tendency to make vague, general replies that don't refute the anthing.  You're doing it again here.

In fact we usually think that evolutionists are too easily satisfied with stories only they find plausible and the reason is that they believe it must have happened from the beginning so they have a 'credulity
advantage'.


Nonsense, this is found to be plausible because it has been tested.  Where is your counter evidence.  Oh, that's right, you never have any.  Plausability is based on repeatable experiments.  Nothing fictional involved.

we say their plausible story telling shows how much wishful-thinking plays a part in what they are prepared to accept.

and you are wrong.  No wishful thinhking involved, it's all experimets, observation, evidence.  You can't seem to understand how science works!

It all comes down to philisophical presuppositions coloring the landscape.

Wrong, it comes down to evidence, scienists have it, creationists don't.
 


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