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The debate between evolution and creation could go on forever getting nowhere. It is, after all, still going strong after 150yrs.

There are two reasons for this.

Firstly one side of the argument is based on a completely irrefutable claim that God created everything in whatever way he pleased. No-one can disprove this so there can be no end of that issue.

Secondly and perhaps more importantly both sides of this debate are asking the other to 'prove' their theory. This is the wrong question. Science progresses (with increasing rapidity) by trying to disprove theories not by trying to prove them.

This debate has been going on for a very long time and, to be honest, has achieved very little.

Meanwhile modern biology has been progressing in leaps and bounds by asking the right questions. Surely that should be a lesson to us all.


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Posts: 218 | Posted: 01:57 AM on February 23, 2009 | IP
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I agree with most of your statements.

I beg to dissagree about the irrefutability of Creationism.

It is Young Earth Creationism what we're dealing with in this forum. And it assumes the literality of the Bible, which can be easily disproven.

Quantum creationism, on the other hand, can't be disproven by any methods (nor can it provide any useful explanation or prediction, for that matter).



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Posts: 3037 | Posted: 06:11 AM on February 23, 2009 | IP
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The dating of YEC may be refutable but the I would say that the basic 'thesis' of abiogenesis by 'creation' is not refutable and isnt that the main point.


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Posts: 218 | Posted: 5:28 PM on February 23, 2009 | IP
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No.

If it was the point, there would be no point in this forum.

If abiogenesis by 'creation' was what really happened, the Theory of Evolution would still apply.

It's Young Earth Bible Literalist Creationism VS. Evolution here.

At least YEC.



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Ha Ha. (...) I've told you people endlessly about my evidence but you don't want to show me yours - you just assert.
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Think about it.

The reason why they don't believe in Evolution is that it goes against the Bible.

They would not take any other theory that would go against the Bible (even if it goes also against Evolution).



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Ha Ha. (...) I've told you people endlessly about my evidence but you don't want to show me yours - you just assert.
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True!  Abiogenesis (by whatever mechanism) is independent of evolution.

Isnt that just ANOTHER reason why this debate is futile?

How would you go about refuting "abiogenesis by creation"?


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I wouldn't.

I wouldn't even try.

But this debate is not between "abiogenesis by creation" VS. Evolution.

It's YEC VS. Evolution.

YEC can be (and has been) refuted.



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Scientists assert (by Lester):

Ha Ha. (...) I've told you people endlessly about my evidence but you don't want to show me yours - you just assert.
porkchop
Would we see a mammal by the water's edge "suddenly" start breathing underwater(w/camera effect of course)?
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