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Just as Apoapsis has been telling us, there are observations being made in astronomy that indicate that some modifications to the theory of gravity are in order.

Time for a New Theory of Gravitation?
 


Posts: 1460 | Posted: 12:20 AM on April 24, 2009 | IP
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I think this is an excellent illustration of how science works.  If new observations are made that don't agree with the theory, either one of two things is incorrect:  either the observations are faulty, or else there is a shortcoming in the theory.

In this case, it appears that the theory needs revising.  I would also say that this demonstrates an important quality that the scientific method has that Creationism lacks - integrity. Science has to answer to a higher authority - Nature.  

Creationists, on the other hand, are stuck with trying to shoe-horn (some might say twist, contort, and distort) reality to fit preconcieved notions (myths).  That process just doesn't work very well.  As a result, Creationists ignore and dismiss observations we make of Nature that contradict their notions.  
 


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Hum, that's an excellent point.

Our ultimate authority is Nature (reality?). Theirs is the Bible.

That train of thought deserves more attention.



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Ha Ha. (...) I've told you people endlessly about my evidence but you don't want to show me yours - you just assert.
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Newton did a damn good job almost 200 years ago coming up with his theories of nature. They were not perfect (as we can see today), but for use during a time where everything was simply earth based they worked just fine. Yes, today with our advances in science, some tweaking of the pillars upon which we build our scientific understanding is needed.  
 


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Quote from GD89 at 7:06 PM on April 25, 2009 :
Newton did a damn good job almost 200 years ago coming up with his theories of nature. They were not perfect (as we can see today), but for use during a time where everything was simply earth based they worked just fine. Yes, today with our advances in science, some tweaking of the pillars upon which we build our scientific understanding is needed.  


Newton was awesome!  He was without doubt one of the greatest thinkers of all time, if not the greatest.  His laws of motion still hold true today.  His work is one of the pillars of science.

But there's something else in the works that needs understanding.  So I think tweaking is probably a good term.  Just as Einstein's theory of relativity tweaked Newton's calculations, perhaps another tweaking is in order.  It certainly does not take away from Newton's great accomplishments.  I'm in awe of what Newton did, and I'm not even a physicist!



 


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Certainly! Newton was a true genius!

What Newton did was more important than what Einstein did. Even harder to think, at that time.

It's a little shame that he had to come up with the concept of "absolute space", but it's very forgivable (i think Ernst Match didn't forgive it, some years later, and ridiculed every notion against relativity, rightly disregarding it as lazy thinking).

At that time i would have had a very hard time pushing aside the concept of "absolute space". And later on the concept of "aether".

Yeah, our models need progressive updating, tweaking, patching. But a lot less than Windows.



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Scientists assert (by Lester):

Ha Ha. (...) I've told you people endlessly about my evidence but you don't want to show me yours - you just assert.
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Would we see a mammal by the water's edge "suddenly" start breathing underwater(w/camera effect of course)?
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