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One of the the most common complaints I hear from creationists is the one about the supposed conspiracy involving secular academics and scientists. As this tale of deciet unfolds the creationists claim that the members of this atheist cabal are fearful that the house of cards that they have built their carreers on will come tumbling down if the truths of creationism and its various subsets like Intelligent design are ever allowed to be discussed in science classrooms.  When I point out that such a conspiracy would involve the science departments of every accredited college and university in the US including those intitutions with deep, ongoing ties to Christianity.  I ususally get the same unblinked response about how they are forced to kowtow to the secular conspiracy for political reasons. I did a little homework and have discoverd that for the cerationist's conspiracy to hold water the following individuals have to be involved:

The Rev. Theodore Martin Hesburgh, the President Emeritus  at Notre Dame University, and holder of the Guinnes Book of World Records title of the most honorary degrees.

Derek Davis,director of the J. M. Dawson Institute of Church-State Studies at Baylor, who said, "I teach at the largest Baptist university in the world. I'm a religious person. And my basic perspective is intelligent design doesn't belong in science class." Mr. Davis noted that the advocates of intelligent design claim they are not talking about God or religion. "But they are, and everybody knows they are," Mr. Davis said. "I just think we ought to quit playing games. It's a religious worldview that's being advanced."

Frank D. Macchia, a professor of Christian theology at Vanguard University, in Costa Mesa, Calif., which is affiliated with the Assemblies of God, the nation's largest Pentecostal denomination, who said about Intelligent Design and Creationism, "It can function as one of those ambiguous signs in the world that point to an intelligent creator and help support the faith of the faithful, but it just doesn't have the compelling or explanatory power to have much of an impact on the academy."

Again we are not just talking about liberal theologians like Bishop Spong. These are guys who would fit anybody's definition of a "fundie" and yet they all know that ID and Creationism are not science. Let's get real creos,there is no conpsiracy and you all know it.
 


Posts: 162 | Posted: 08:40 AM on December 5, 2005 | IP
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I'm a "fundie".  No, there is no conspiracy.  If evolution were categorically proven to be false, it would not put any scientists out of a job.  Science is still science regardless of which theory is correct.  And since there are so many opposing views of ID, ID does not belong in school.  The only way I can see ID being taught in school is if it were under some "theoretics" class which simply discussed the possibility/probability of it.  That in now way undermines my belief in it.  However, as a Christian I do not want ID to be taught from a Catholic, Baptist, Lutheran, Methodist, Mormon, Salvation Army (yes, believe it or not, they are a church and you've all been donating money to them), Muslim, Jewish, Shinto, Animism, Bhuddism (ok I think you get my point) point of view.  And I'm sure none of them want to have it taught from a Christian perspective.  ID belongs in the church.  If "fundies" want their children to be taught it, they need to take their kids to service and read their bibles at home.  Or, they can always take their kids to private schools that focus on a religious education.  Anyone seen my two cents?

Sinc,
 Ed


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"Thou believest that God is one; thou does well: the demons also believe, and shudder." James 2:19 - Belief is never enough.
 


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