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Do you think the I.D. ruling in Dover will drive more Christian kids to private or home schools?
http://www.washtimes.com/national/20041203-104801-5276r.htm

If so  - would that be a good thing for the separation of school and religion?


 


Posts: 2 | Posted: 11:02 PM on December 20, 2005 | IP
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There is no "separation of church and state".  It can't be found in any legally binding document.  What the constitution provides is that the government will not ESTABLISH any particular religion.  Therefore there is no "separation of school and religion" either.  That being said, I still do not promote teaching of religion in public schools.  Not all parents can afford private school.  Therefore not all parents would be able to "choose" which religion their children were being taught if it were allowed in school.  Funny thing is that not that long ago (in the scope of history) people were being sued for teaching evolution in public schools.


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"Thou believest that God is one; thou does well: the demons also believe, and shudder." James 2:19 - Belief is never enough.
 


Posts: 1287 | Posted: 09:32 AM on December 21, 2005 | IP
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Danbury Baptist Letter

Thomas Jefferson's letter to the Danbury Baptist Church serves as the basis of the phrase "separation of church and state".  The courts consider writings such as this since they clarify the intent of the writers of the Constitution and Bill of Rights.

It's worth noting that Jefferson and many of the founding fathers of this country were not Christian. and it is officially stated in government documents that:the government of the United States of America is not in any sense founded on the Christian Religion,.

Treaty of Tripoli


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Pogge:” This is the volume of a sphere with a 62 kilometer (about 39 miles) radius, which is considerably smaller than the 2,000 mile radius of the Earth.”
Wikipedia:” For Earth, the mean radius is 6,371.009 km(≈3,958.761 mi; ≈3,440.069 nmi).”
Wisp to Lester (on Pogge): Do you admit he was wrong about the basics?
Lester: No

 


Posts: 1747 | Posted: 11:09 AM on December 21, 2005 | IP
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I concur on both your points.  My point was that (and I've heard it more than once) there are alot of people who actually think you can find those words in the Constitution.  :P  Yes, Thomas Jefferson's letter is "considered" by the court, but is no more "binding" than legal precedents.  And while the United States is not founded on the Christian religion, Christians are not the only religion to hold to the idea of Intelligent Design.  Jews, Muslims, Flying Spaghetti Monsterlings (what do you call those people anyhow) all hold to this idea.  At the time the US was founded there wasn't any such thing as evolution, so it seems that such a point is moot.  Again, I'm not arguing for ID in classrooms (I've been pretty clear on that), I'm just not impressed with some of the arguments AGAINST it (except mine, of course ).




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"Thou believest that God is one; thou does well: the demons also believe, and shudder." James 2:19 - Belief is never enough.
 


Posts: 1287 | Posted: 11:49 AM on December 21, 2005 | IP
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The case transcripts as well as the final judgement make for very interesting reading.  ID is not science, it is religious in nature, therefore has no place in a science classroom.

Evolution is science, therefore makes no statements regarding the presence or lack of a deity.


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Pogge:” This is the volume of a sphere with a 62 kilometer (about 39 miles) radius, which is considerably smaller than the 2,000 mile radius of the Earth.”
Wikipedia:” For Earth, the mean radius is 6,371.009 km(≈3,958.761 mi; ≈3,440.069 nmi).”
Wisp to Lester (on Pogge): Do you admit he was wrong about the basics?
Lester: No

 


Posts: 1747 | Posted: 12:52 PM on December 21, 2005 | IP
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So do you think it would be good for religious people to pull thier kids out of public schools to keep the religious influence out of the public schools?
 


Posts: 2 | Posted: 2:40 PM on December 21, 2005 | IP
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No. We teach science for a reason. We're already leaps and bounds behind India and China in our scientific interests... The will to make this problem worse astounds me.


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http://ummcash.org/officers.html
http://scienceblogs.com/pharyngula/2007/08/wow_1.php
http://scienceblogs.com/pharyngula/2007/08/a_triumphant_beginning.php
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Posts: 729 | Posted: 11:07 AM on December 22, 2005 | IP
    
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